What antennas are being used for AO-92 23cm? Is polarization changing a problem. How much uplink power is required?
Ron W5RKN
Hi Ron: These antenna options are both fixed RHCP:
Directive Systems Helix (single in Radome) 14.5dBic (approx. 12.3dB) https://directivesystems.com/1200-mhz/23-cm-1250-1300-mhz/dseh23-12/ Wimo Antennan & Electronik GmBH 23-4 Helix P/N 18027 16dB https://www.wimo.com/helix-antennas_e.html
I have read that L-band AO-92 required loss budget (from this reflector input) is 100w Effective Radiated Power (ERP) departing your transmit system. I believe there was a post on this email reflector from University of Iowa (or similar) hams who operated band L.
My experience level: I have not operated band L (just read about current happenings).
Dave KJ9I
On 10/8/18, 9:42 AM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Ronald G. Parsons" <amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org on behalf of w5rkn@w5rkn.com> wrote:
What antennas are being used for AO-92 23cm? Is polarization changing a problem. How much uplink power is required?
Ron W5RKN _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Olde Antenna Lab makes a "wheel" style omni for this uplink. I have one mounted and fed with 7/8" hardline but have not had a chance to wire in my 80W amp to give it a try. I don't think Dave, W6OAL, has put it on his web site yet so you will have to give him a phone call.
www.hamtv.com/wheel.html
Jim, WD0E
On 10/8/2018 8:55 AM, David J. Schmocker wrote:
Hi Ron: These antenna options are both fixed RHCP:
Directive Systems Helix (single in Radome) 14.5dBic (approx. 12.3dB) https://directivesystems.com/1200-mhz/23-cm-1250-1300-mhz/dseh23-12/ Wimo Antennan & Electronik GmBH 23-4 Helix P/N 18027 16dB https://www.wimo.com/helix-antennas_e.html
I have read that L-band AO-92 required loss budget (from this reflector input) is 100w Effective Radiated Power (ERP) departing your transmit system. I believe there was a post on this email reflector from University of Iowa (or similar) hams who operated band L.
My experience level: I have not operated band L (just read about current happenings).
Dave KJ9I
On 10/8/18, 9:42 AM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Ronald G. Parsons" <amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org on behalf of w5rkn@w5rkn.com> wrote:
What antennas are being used for AO-92 23cm? Is polarization changing a problem. How much uplink power is required?
Ron W5RKN _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Ron,
There has been a wide variety of antennas used for AO-92's 1.2 GHz uplink. Some are using a 16-element Comet CYA-1216E sold in various ham stores:
http://www.cometantenna.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/CYA-1216E-inst-sheet....
Others have gone with Yagis from China via eBay. The 10-element Yagi has been popular:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2GHz-12DBi-GSM-Yagi-Directional-Antenna-1200MHz-N...
There is also a smaller 5-element Yagi available on eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2GHz-Stainless-Steel-5-Elements-CCTV-Wireless-tra... ?
Some are using other larger Yagis, and K5ND has used a 23cm helix:
https://www.k5nd.net/2018/04/satellite-qso-l-band-ao-92/
If you want to build a Yagi, there are WA5VJB designs for smaller (4 to 10 elements):
http://www.n5dux.com/ham/files/pdf/D-STAR%20Antennas.pdf
Or for something larger:
http://wa5vjb.com/references/LBand-Yagis-for-AMSAT.pdf
Most of the time on the L/V passes, I'm using a 5-element Comet CY-1205 Yagi sitting on top of my Alinco DJ-G7T. Between the 1W from the HT and this Yagi, which was sold in the late 1980s and into the 1990s, I have done OK with AO-92 L/V. I have also used the 10-element Yagi from eBay with my DJ-G7T.
As for power, for those using HTs like the DJ-G7T or an older HT like the Icom IC-T81A, the power level is 1W. With a mobile radio or the larger satellite-ready transceivers, 10W. There may be some who have more than 10W going out to the antennas on 1.2 GHz.
A good discussion about working AO-92's L/V mode has been taking place on a thread in QRZ's satellite forum. Once you get through the first part of the thread, you can see this discussion, along with pictures.
https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/wheres-ao-92.614536/
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 2:42 PM Ronald G. Parsons w5rkn@w5rkn.com wrote:
What antennas are being used for AO-92 23cm? Is polarization changing a problem. How much uplink power is required?
Ron W5RKN
Hi Ron,
I'm using a Comet 18 el yagi. Signals do fade and circular polarisation would be an advantage. As for power you don't need much. I use 5W without any problems.
David VK5DG
On 9/10/18 1:12 am, Ronald G. Parsons wrote:
What antennas are being used for AO-92 23cm? Is polarization changing a problem. How much uplink power is required?
Ron W5RKN _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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David Giles
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David J. Schmocker
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Jim White
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Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)
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Ronald G. Parsons