Re: Radio amateur calling protocol
Gentlemen,
In case we are rally corresponding about radio amateur calling and QSO protocol, Dave WB6LLO is quite right writing:
"AO7, is what, 25 years old, none of those problems existed there, and still don't today..."
Except for the sad fact that some feels it is compulsory to call like "CQ CQ CQ CQ AO7 satellite this is EE0LL (15 times) is standing by for any possible satellite call."
During this time of a long call VO52 flyes across Europe and no QSO will be made at all!
I was planning to write this list asking everyone to KEEP IT SHORT for the God's sake !!!
I call like "HA6NN CQ"
That's all. As somewhere someone told those who had not been experienced in RTTY contests, it is a general habit on that mode!
Than there is no rule to tell QSP-partners even your name every time! Beside this, some tells everything about his equipment, the wx, etc.
THERE IS NO TIME TO DO THAT ON SATELLITES!
Learn the only sensible radioamateur QSO protocol what OH8MBN Mika or UA9CS Igor uses -not to mention K3SZH and some other regulars on AO7.
Blame those that encouraged and built AO51...
That was one of the gratest mistake of the history of Amateur Radio.
Why was it built??
...that is the question.
gl de ha6nn Andras
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Bato, Andras bato@starjan.hu wrote:
Gentlemen,
In case we are rally corresponding about radio amateur calling and QSO protocol, Dave WB6LLO is quite right writing:
"AO7, is what, 25 years old, none of those problems existed there, and still don't today..."
Except for the sad fact that some feels it is compulsory to call like "CQ CQ CQ CQ AO7 satellite this is EE0LL (15 times) is standing by for any possible satellite call."
During this time of a long call VO52 flyes across Europe and no QSO will be made at all!
I was planning to write this list asking everyone to KEEP IT SHORT for the God's sake !!!
I call like "HA6NN CQ"
These comments aren't directed specifically at Andras, but rather to the general tenor of this thread.
I'm not sure that this list is the best place to discuss egregious operating habits on the satellites. It's my impression that most of these are due to newcomers experimenting with setups that have poor reception or who are very occasional users of the satellites. But this list isn't, in my experience, well subscribed by those two audiences. Recently, someone on the list made a longish document regarding satellite etiquette, and it was picked up by the RSS services. Perhaps a web or wiki page on these matters would be most effective.
Another thought: people who are failing to receive their own signals or who are making long CQs to tune their setup (which I suspect is going on in the situation described above) are, in fact, doing that which the satellites are meant to support: experimentation with space communication. If this is so, then they represent the future of our branch of the hobby, not merely an annoyance. Our advice should be geared toward improving their experiments and helping them build satellite communication skills; if their tentative steps disrupt our regular communication is, to my mind, secondary.
It always concerns me that newcomers reading a thread like this will be frightened away. It might seem that there are too many ways to be branded a lid in satellite operations, and if people on email are this judgemental, it must be brutal on the birds. I'm sure everyone will agree that this is not the case: a new callsign, however deaf :-), is greeted with great enthusiasm and everyone tries to support everyone else with technical advice and a kind word. We want you to succeed and to learn about the amazing mix of planetary physics and RF that makes satellite operations so engaging.
That's all. As somewhere someone told those who had not been experienced in RTTY contests, it is a general habit on that mode!
Than there is no rule to tell QSP-partners even your name every time! Beside this, some tells everything about his equipment, the wx, etc.
THERE IS NO TIME TO DO THAT ON SATELLITES!
Learn the only sensible radioamateur QSO protocol what OH8MBN Mika or UA9CS Igor uses -not to mention K3SZH and some other regulars on AO7.
Blame those that encouraged and built AO51...
That was one of the gratest mistake of the history of Amateur Radio.
Why was it built??
...that is the question.
Again, for the benefit of the larger audience, it should be noted that this is of historical interest only. The current AMSAT-NA mission statement involves the production of HEO satellites while supporting others in LEO work, FM or not. There may be those of us, like me, who find AO-51 provided a fine stepping-stone to linear work, but we are happy to have our membership fees and donations support the HEO mission. Moreover, the dichotomy between FM and linear LEO is a somewhat false one. VO-52 has shown that a linear transponder can be used in FM over part of the world and linear usage over others. Kiwi sat and others intend to provide both services in their upcoming birds. I'm grateful to be able to use an FM bird in portable circumstances, since I don't have a full-duplex SSB radio that I can carry around in the forest (now that would be a great homebrew project :-)
73, Bruce VE9QRP
Well put Bruce. Being someone that hasn't spent years on the birds and having originally started my satellite experimentation with SO-50 not all that long ago it is discouraging to hear the minority of amsat users complaining about FM birds (why do we have them) or the crowded passes where newcomers may be having a bit of trouble.
I for one was happy to be able to start by using a handheld radio and antenna to make contacts on one of the FM birds (SO-50 or AO-51). Having done that sparked my interest and contributions to AMSAT-NA. I have since started experimenting since the purchase of a IC-910H with other modes (mostly listening) and hope to start making contacts that way as well. While I may have done my due diligence and done a lot of listening before trying to talk, we can't fault others completely for getting a bit excited or not knowing "everything" first time out.
Harsh scolding isn't going to drive anyone to use the satellites and it certainly won't get AMSAT-NA new members or donations. Let's keep our hobby civil and help guide some of those that may be having trouble. Perhaps updated how-to's, etc? I support new efforts for a HEO bird with various modes but also support those decisions that were made for "easy-sats" like AO-51 to help generate interest and proficiency.
73, Jeremy KB9QIC
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Robertson Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:43 AM To: Bato, Andras Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Radio amateur calling protocol These comments aren't directed specifically at Andras, but rather to the general tenor of this thread.
I'm not sure that this list is the best place to discuss egregious operating habits on the satellites. It's my impression that most of these are due to newcomers experimenting with setups that have poor reception or who are very occasional users of the satellites. But this list isn't, in my experience, well subscribed by those two audiences. Recently, someone on the list made a longish document regarding satellite etiquette, and it was picked up by the RSS services. Perhaps a web or wiki page on these matters would be most effective.
Another thought: people who are failing to receive their own signals or who are making long CQs to tune their setup (which I suspect is going on in the situation described above) are, in fact, doing that which the satellites are meant to support: experimentation with space communication. If this is so, then they represent the future of our branch of the hobby, not merely an annoyance. Our advice should be geared toward improving their experiments and helping them build satellite communication skills; if their tentative steps disrupt our regular communication is, to my mind, secondary.
It always concerns me that newcomers reading a thread like this will be frightened away. It might seem that there are too many ways to be branded a lid in satellite operations, and if people on email are this judgemental, it must be brutal on the birds. I'm sure everyone will agree that this is not the case: a new callsign, however deaf :-), is greeted with great enthusiasm and everyone tries to support everyone else with technical advice and a kind word. We want you to succeed and to learn about the amazing mix of planetary physics and RF that makes satellite operations so engaging.
Again, for the benefit of the larger audience, it should be noted that this is of historical interest only. The current AMSAT-NA mission statement involves the production of HEO satellites while supporting others in LEO work, FM or not. There may be those of us, like me, who find AO-51 provided a fine stepping-stone to linear work, but we are happy to have our membership fees and donations support the HEO mission. Moreover, the dichotomy between FM and linear LEO is a somewhat false one. VO-52 has shown that a linear transponder can be used in FM over part of the world and linear usage over others. Kiwi sat and others intend to provide both services in their upcoming birds. I'm grateful to be able to use an FM bird in portable circumstances, since I don't have a full-duplex SSB radio that I can carry around in the forest (now that would be a great homebrew project :-)
73, Bruce VE9QRP _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Hi Andras,
I think there is a difference between the FM and SSB satellites. For FM you need to be quick because only one person can use it at a time, and you're trying to sneak in between other people who are also trying to use the satellite. For SSB (including AO-7) many can use the satellite at the same time, and in fact you can have two people calling CQ at other ends of the passband at the same time for an entire pass, not knowing the other is there. SSB also doesn't have a capture effect, so even while calling CQ you can hear someone else tuning up on your frequency in preparation to come back to you. FM and SSB are very different worlds.
FM: I try to slip my call sign in between people. Letters, no phonetics. SSB: I call "CQ CQ this is ", maybe twice before a pause, but stopping instantly if I hear someone key up.
Just my style,
Greg KO6TH
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From: bato@starjan.hu To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:22:55 +0000 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Radio amateur calling protocol
Gentlemen,
In case we are rally corresponding about radio amateur calling and QSO protocol, Dave WB6LLO is quite right writing:
"AO7, is what, 25 years old, none of those problems existed there, and still don't today..."
Except for the sad fact that some feels it is compulsory to call like "CQ CQ CQ CQ AO7 satellite this is EE0LL (15 times) is standing by for any possible satellite call."
During this time of a long call VO52 flyes across Europe and no QSO will be made at all!
I was planning to write this list asking everyone to KEEP IT SHORT for the God's sake !!!
I call like "HA6NN CQ"
That's all. As somewhere someone told those who had not been experienced in RTTY contests, it is a general habit on that mode!
Than there is no rule to tell QSP-partners even your name every time! Beside this, some tells everything about his equipment, the wx, etc.
THERE IS NO TIME TO DO THAT ON SATELLITES!
Learn the only sensible radioamateur QSO protocol what OH8MBN Mika or UA9CS Igor uses -not to mention K3SZH and some other regulars on AO7.
Blame those that encouraged and built AO51...
That was one of the gratest mistake of the history of Amateur Radio.
Why was it built??
...that is the question.
gl de ha6nn Andras
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