New subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I am tired of D-star thread/argument

14 Nov 2013

      I don't have it, don't want it, don't want to hear about it.
Lets talk about the new satellites going up.
Tom K5VOU
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: International Designators (Ken Ernandes)
2. Re: D STAR is here to stay (Joe)
3. Re: D STAR is here to stay (B J)
4. Re: D STAR is here to stay (R Oler)
5. Re: D STAR is here to stay (Rich/wa4bue)
6. Re: D STAR is here to stay (Gordon JC Pearce)

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:34:30 -0500
From: Ken Ernandes [email protected]
To: Graham Shirville [email protected]
Cc: AMSAT BB [email protected]
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: International Designators
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It shouldn't disrupt systems.  The specification for the international designator allows for one to three (3) suffix characters (i.e.,  A through ZZZ).
73, Ken N2WWD
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On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:44 AM, "Graham Shirville" [email protected] wrote:
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Hi All,
At least one of the forthcoming launches is planning to having more than 26 objects being deployed. I think this is the first time that this has occurred.
Our TLEs include these references. I understand that after Z is used, the sequence will be AA, AB, AC, AD, etc.
Question - will this extra digit disrupt the existing systems we have for distribution of this data or when importing the files into the various prediction programmes that we all use?
I may be worrying unnecessarily but ..........just in case!
thanks
Graham
G3VZV
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 08:16:44 -0600
From: Joe [email protected]
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Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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I agree on that also.
Now I'm not picking on them here. But I am a member of Four local
Amateur Radio Clubs. And have been an Amateur since 1975 and have seen
this "Hobby" change a lot through the years. And in all four clubs 90%
of the newly licensed get into this Hobby now, through the Public
service aspect of the hobby. IE: Skywarn, communications during
disasters,  support like in parades etc. While there is nothing wrong
with this. But these newcomers do not seem to get the thrill of just
getting on the air, and throw out a CQ just to see who comes back. Just
for the thrill of the unknown. And that is sad.
I feel that Amateur Radio is more to them as the Service part of the
Amateur Radio Service. Not the experimenting and exploring part.
Joe WB9SBD
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On 11/12/2013 10:34 PM, Donald Jacob wrote:
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Gordon,
If you use that logic, then why use amateur radio at all. Just use your
cell phone and you can talk to anyone, anywhere (that will answer!).
Hobby, learn, have fun, meet others with the same interests etc....
Guess something got lost along the way!
WB5EKU
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Gordon JC Pearce [email protected]wrote:
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On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 06:57:39PM +0000, [email protected] wrote:
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I would like to see the DSTAR users pick a REFLECTOR and use it as a
state side intercomm. How cool would that be? Some one asking the group ,
hey who was that in fm-- or CN--or what was the call of the guy in DN--.
Look at how we could all help each other while working the birds.
Why not just use your phone?  Far more reliable, far better coverage, far
better battery life and a tiny fraction of the cost...
--
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:40:59 +0000
From: B J [email protected]
To: Joe [email protected]
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Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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On 11/13/13, Joe [email protected] wrote:
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I agree on that also.
Now I'm not picking on them here. But I am a member of Four local
Amateur Radio Clubs. And have been an Amateur since 1975 and have seen
this "Hobby" change a lot through the years. And in all four clubs 90%
of the newly licensed get into this Hobby now, through the Public
service aspect of the hobby. IE: Skywarn, communications during
disasters,  support like in parades etc. While there is nothing wrong
with this. But these newcomers do not seem to get the thrill of just
getting on the air, and throw out a CQ just to see who comes back. Just
for the thrill of the unknown. And that is sad.
I feel that Amateur Radio is more to them as the Service part of the
Amateur Radio Service. Not the experimenting and exploring part.
I often get a similar reaction when I talk about amateur radio,
particularly from younger people.  They can't quite grasp why I'd want
to put together a station and, perhaps, talk with someone when there
are easier ways of doing that.  Even if I don't have any contacts, I
like to find out just what the hardware can do and how far my signal
can go.  It's fun to know that I can reach a satellite that's, say,
somewhere over the Arctic Ocean north of Siberia putting only 5 W into
my Arrow yagi.
Many peope, I suppose, have become accustomed to the plug-and-play
aspect of electronic devices and expect to have clear 2-way
conversations every time.  Tinkering with something in order to hear
or be heard is likely something they wouldn't like or would be too
bothersome to them.
Then again, my interest in radio began as an SWL while I was still in
high school over 40 years ago and I listened to broadcasts from, as
the song says, "far away places with strange-sounding names".  It was
fun bragging to my classmates that I listened to, say, Radio
Australia, not that any of them paid much attention to it.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ@ DO33FL
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 22:38:32 +0600
From: R Oler [email protected]
To: B J [email protected]
Cc: Joe [email protected], "[email protected]" [email protected]
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
Message-ID: [email protected]
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in large manner chat rooms and the like have taken the place for some of the CQ...Robert WB5MZO/S2
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On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:51 PM, "B J" [email protected] wrote:
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On 11/13/13, Joe [email protected] wrote:
I agree on that also.
Now I'm not picking on them here. But I am a member of Four local
Amateur Radio Clubs. And have been an Amateur since 1975 and have seen
this "Hobby" change a lot through the years. And in all four clubs 90%
of the newly licensed get into this Hobby now, through the Public
service aspect of the hobby. IE: Skywarn, communications during
disasters,  support like in parades etc. While there is nothing wrong
with this. But these newcomers do not seem to get the thrill of just
getting on the air, and throw out a CQ just to see who comes back. Just
for the thrill of the unknown. And that is sad.
I feel that Amateur Radio is more to them as the Service part of the
Amateur Radio Service. Not the experimenting and exploring part.
I often get a similar reaction when I talk about amateur radio,
particularly from younger people.  They can't quite grasp why I'd want
to put together a station and, perhaps, talk with someone when there
are easier ways of doing that.  Even if I don't have any contacts, I
like to find out just what the hardware can do and how far my signal
can go.  It's fun to know that I can reach a satellite that's, say,
somewhere over the Arctic Ocean north of Siberia putting only 5 W into
my Arrow yagi.
Many peope, I suppose, have become accustomed to the plug-and-play
aspect of electronic devices and expect to have clear 2-way
conversations every time.  Tinkering with something in order to hear
or be heard is likely something they wouldn't like or would be too
bothersome to them.
Then again, my interest in radio began as an SWL while I was still in
high school over 40 years ago and I listened to broadcasts from, as
the song says, "far away places with strange-sounding names".  It was
fun bragging to my classmates that I listened to, say, Radio
Australia, not that any of them paid much attention to it.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ@ DO33FL
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:49:39 -0500
From: "Rich/wa4bue" [email protected]
To: "R Oler" [email protected], "B J" [email protected],
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Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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Hi all,
I agree with what is being said.
The K4AMG MARC works with you in a VO TECH center Broadcast Radio
Class -WFOS FM 88.7, for over 10 years now.  You can Google the station 24/7
and listen to live stream.  When the students are in class they are on the
air.   We are also  in the early stages of assisting with an electronics
class in the Chesapeake, VA Public Schools.
We see teens all of the time.  Today most of the teens we see kind of know
what a screw driver and a pair of pliers are, but never heard of a ratchet
and socket.
Case in point:
Last May we gave the teens assembly instructions and tools so they could
assemble our YAGI antennas for OSCAR communications, and install the rotor -
in general get the antennas ready for a OSCAR pass.
We had to show them how to use the tools!  Walk them through each step of
the instructions as they texted to their friends this NOVEL experience.
You might had heard us on FO 29, W4FOS, the schools club station.
We have also worked with "BOE BOT" robot in the school.  It requires
moderate assembly.  Assembly was a problem for them - programming went
fairly well (circles. squares etc).
On a good note a few years ago we bought RAMSEY FM Radio receiver kits and
as class projects we taught them how to solder and in less then 3 classes 2
hours 6 hours they put the radios together, and with less then,, and hour
they used a scope and debugged the one radio that did not work, so they can
do hands on when they want to.
What I am finding is shops (hand on stuff) is disappearing and to work in
trades, the teens are now required to take 2 year JR. College to be
certified.
Back to class, for many years we have put the students on HF during School
Club Roundup, and they get insulted and jammed by older hams that own HF
frequencies.  We tried to place them on "IRLP" and around here any way some
of the old guys are so bitter they are using bad language and distasteful
conversations, not that the teens don't know and use this language, but not
in the class room, so we don't go there.
Even one of our largest clubs in the area don't want to work with teens.
This year we will try to introduce ISS data and SSTV to the class.  By the
way we can not go SSTV on HF, most of the pictures are not suitable for the
class room.
In short it is difficult to give teens a full view of amateur radio when
some of the idiots on the air and are just that real idiots.  This part of
the same discussion "Ethics" on the School Club Roundup users group ...
Enough Venting.
And finding volunteer Elmers to teach in the class room, very difficult, as
most hams of the 80s and beyond know nothing but how to operate their
radios, can not even make their antennas.  The exception are those wonderful
guys that worked in electronics and communications in the service or their
day to day work.  God Bless them.  Our newest and best resource for Elmers
are members of the Society of Broadcast Engineers Chapter 54, they have
taken time off to teach in the class room.
You can check out our home page at K4AMG.org, to get an idea about what we
are trying to do.  Please give us some input about what you think we are
doing right or wrong.
God Bless
Rich
W4BUE
----- Original Message -----
From: "R Oler" [email protected]
To: "B J" [email protected]
Cc: "Joe" [email protected]; [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:38 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
...
in large manner chat rooms and the like have taken the place for some of
the CQ...Robert WB5MZO/S2
Sent from my iPad
...
On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:51 PM, "B J" [email protected] wrote:
...
On 11/13/13, Joe [email protected] wrote:
I agree on that also.
Now I'm not picking on them here. But I am a member of Four local
Amateur Radio Clubs. And have been an Amateur since 1975 and have seen
this "Hobby" change a lot through the years. And in all four clubs 90%
of the newly licensed get into this Hobby now, through the Public
service aspect of the hobby. IE: Skywarn, communications during
disasters,  support like in parades etc. While there is nothing wrong
with this. But these newcomers do not seem to get the thrill of just
getting on the air, and throw out a CQ just to see who comes back. Just
for the thrill of the unknown. And that is sad.
I feel that Amateur Radio is more to them as the Service part of the
Amateur Radio Service. Not the experimenting and exploring part.
I often get a similar reaction when I talk about amateur radio,
particularly from younger people.  They can't quite grasp why I'd want
to put together a station and, perhaps, talk with someone when there
are easier ways of doing that.  Even if I don't have any contacts, I
like to find out just what the hardware can do and how far my signal
can go.  It's fun to know that I can reach a satellite that's, say,
somewhere over the Arctic Ocean north of Siberia putting only 5 W into
my Arrow yagi.
Many peope, I suppose, have become accustomed to the plug-and-play
aspect of electronic devices and expect to have clear 2-way
conversations every time.  Tinkering with something in order to hear
or be heard is likely something they wouldn't like or would be too
bothersome to them.
Then again, my interest in radio began as an SWL while I was still in
high school over 40 years ago and I listened to broadcasts from, as
the song says, "far away places with strange-sounding names".  It was
fun bragging to my classmates that I listened to, say, Radio
Australia, not that any of them paid much attention to it.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ@ DO33FL
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:32:54 +0000
From: Gordon JC Pearce [email protected]
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Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 01:49:39PM -0500, Rich/wa4bue wrote:
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This year we will try to introduce ISS data and SSTV to the class.
By the way we can not go SSTV on HF, most of the pictures are not
suitable for the class room.
You know, they're teenagers.  Whether or not you agree with what *some* (a small minority) of SSTVers transmit, I think there's a fair chance they've seen swimsuit pictures already.
Good luck with getting the ISS to transmit any usable SSTV.  The past few times it's all been a bit broken.  Maybe we can devise a nice solid SSTV subsystem to take up?

I am tired of D-star thread/argument

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