Hello everyone,
News from the 2009 AMSAT Space Symposium in Baltimore has been posted on our web site: http://www.amsat.org
(the link to ARISSat-1 should be back in service soon.)
-- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM k9jkm@amsat.org Editor, AMSAT News Service Copy Editor, AMSAT Journal
"The new AMSAT CubeSat's initial capability is planned to add to the popular low-earth orbit FM transponder fleet allowing hams to continue to use their existing handheld and portable antenna systems. This also continues the accessible entry path for new satellite operators to get started. The existing FM satellites are starting to show their age."
It was widely admitted that AO-51 was a mistake years ago as a transponder type satellite should have been chosen instead of a single channel satellite.
IMHO There ia already enough capabilities with the existing fleet SO-50 AO-51 AO-27 ISS cross band repeater for an entry class satellite plus many cubes in the making as arisat-1. What we lack is a HEO or some AO-07 like satellite with transponder who will make transcontinental QSO'S possible. Theses one channel satellite are a waste of money compare to a transponder type as many simultaneous QSO'S can be achieved at the same time.
But theses issues where widely discussed in the past and i'm guessing the AMSAT symposium attendance widely clapped at this announcement!!!
What AMSAT-NA will be in the next years " HANDHELD CLUB" as written " to continue to use their existing handheld and portable antenna systems."
Wrong direction again 180 degrees of the logical course again!
P.S. It is obvious this variation on the same subject proposal will have plenty of time to evolved or to be put in real service only to be replaced by other new proposals. it is the dog running after his tails syndrome who prevail again. Bottom line is another deceptive unrealistic proposal IMHO.
Feel free to agree or disagree but the shrinking AMSAT-NA membership is probably what's is triggering theses proposals a king of safety buoy for the BOD to avoid drowning the whole crew and her ship. "-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
Hello Luc,
I have some questions.
1- What is the logical direction, in your opinion? 2 - How much would that direction cost, in your opinion? 3 - How would you propose paying for that direction?
I look forward to learning more so that I can more fully understand your positioin.
73,
Tim - N3TL
________________________________ From: Luc Leblanc lucleblanc6@videotron.ca To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Cc: eu-amsat@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:05:59 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
"The new AMSAT CubeSat's initial capability is planned to add to the popular low-earth orbit FM transponder fleet allowing hams to continue to use their existing handheld and portable antenna systems. This also continues the accessible entry path for new satellite operators to get started. The existing FM satellites are starting to show their age."
It was widely admitted that AO-51 was a mistake years ago as a transponder type satellite should have been chosen instead of a single channel satellite.
IMHO There ia already enough capabilities with the existing fleet SO-50 AO-51 AO-27 ISS cross band repeater for an entry class satellite plus many cubes in the making as arisat-1. What we lack is a HEO or some AO-07 like satellite with transponder who will make transcontinental QSO'S possible. Theses one channel satellite are a waste of money compare to a transponder type as many simultaneous QSO'S can be achieved at the same time.
But theses issues where widely discussed in the past and i'm guessing the AMSAT symposium attendance widely clapped at this announcement!!!
What AMSAT-NA will be in the next years " HANDHELD CLUB" as written " to continue to use their existing handheld and portable antenna systems."
Wrong direction again 180 degrees of the logical course again!
P..S. It is obvious this variation on the same subject proposal will have plenty of time to evolved or to be put in real service only to be replaced by other new proposals. it is the dog running after his tails syndrome who prevail again. Bottom line is another deceptive unrealistic proposal IMHO.
Feel free to agree or disagree but the shrinking AMSAT-NA membership is probably what's is triggering theses proposals a king of safety buoy for the BOD to avoid drowning the whole crew and her ship. "-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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On 13 Oct 2009 at 18:42, Tim - N3TL wrote:
Date sent: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:42:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim - N3TL n3tl@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web To: Luc Leblanc lucleblanc6@videotron.ca, amsat-bb@amsat.org Copies to: eu-amsat@yahoogroups.com
Hello Luc,
I have some questions.
1- What is the logical direction, in your opinion?
Helping our German's friends launching P3E
2 - How much would that direction cost, in your opinion?
A lot of $$$ who should better invest in achieving P3E rather than sending another FM single channel LEO repeater cube
3 - How would you propose paying for that direction?
I never see a clear financial and funding projected structure in years since AO-40. On any project when the goals are set and the money target is clearly establish the hard part will be to regroup all the international AMSAT'S and all the potential funding sources: government, spaces agencies, universities, amateur radio association eg: ARRL, RAC, RSGB ect (Some of them already contribute to P3E)
The funding solution will go by an international funding campaign and by a fixed minimal contribution per amateur who want's to have an HEO. I am member of a local marina and each new member should pay a one time Dredging Fee of 250$. The marina is open here from May 15 to October 4 about 5 months. I can used a satellite 12 months am i willing to pay 250$ a year YES and could be more if a sound international structure with well defined planning and objectives can demonstrate a serious will towards the next HEO.
There is already a lot of dedicated peoples around the amateurs radio satellite business who are only making their own small things in their small backyard. Why not regrouping their energies and money towards "ONLY ONE SINGLE" big project? In the amateur satellite world we called that a HEO satellite as AO-40 and as AO-07 AO-10 AO-13 generation who where the first steps towards AO-40.
Just to be clear my opinion is not against the collective effort and people works but against some of the objectives they carry. Volunteers motivation should be the best interest of all not the few.
Feel free to come back this is a very wide subject of discussion with many possible outcome.
73 Tim "-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
Luc,
Thank you for providing your thoughts. Maybe someone who is more knowledgeable than I can chime in with information about what it will take to have P3E fully ready for launch, and also what the current estimates for launch cost are. My sense is that the cost will run into the millions of U..S. dollars, and as such will provide quite a daunting fundraising task for anyone - anywhere - given the world's current economic climate.
As someone who has been out of work for almost 10 months - with no valid job prospects on the horizon despite an ongoing national search for employment - I believe AMSAT-NA faces a significant challenge just to raise the money necessary for the two near-term projects. And together, they amount to a fraction of the cost necessary to launch P3E. I don't share your view that one large project is the best solution.
I also don't share your view of satellite operation using a handheld or otherwise portable station, which is less than positive. Again, I mean no disrespect - but I find very little challenge and even less satisfaction in making a satellite contact running 50-100 watts into a pair of long, multi-element yagis being controlled for az/el by computers - and using a radio being computer controlled for Doppler. Of course, many more satellite operators share views closer to yours than mine - or, at least, it seems that way.
Thank you again for your response. I appreciate it very much.
73,
Tim - N3TL
________________________________ From: Luc Leblanc lucleblanc6@videotron.ca To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Cc: eu-amsat@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:18:22 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
On 13 Oct 2009 at 18:42, Tim - N3TL wrote:
Date sent: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:42:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim - N3TL n3tl@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web To: Luc Leblanc lucleblanc6@videotron.ca, amsat-bb@amsat.org Copies to: eu-amsat@yahoogroups.com
Hello Luc,
I have some questions.
1- What is the logical direction, in your opinion?
Helping our German's friends launching P3E
2 - How much would that direction cost, in your opinion?
A lot of $$$ who should better invest in achieving P3E rather than sending another FM single channel LEO repeater cube
3 - How would you propose paying for that direction?
I never see a clear financial and funding projected structure in years since AO-40. On any project when the goals are set and the money target is clearly establish the hard part will be to regroup all the international AMSAT'S and all the potential funding sources: government, spaces agencies, universities, amateur radio association eg: ARRL, RAC, RSGB ect (Some of them already contribute to P3E)
The funding solution will go by an international funding campaign and by a fixed minimal contribution per amateur who want's to have an HEO. I am member of a local marina and each new member should pay a one time Dredging Fee of 250$. The marina is open here from May 15 to October 4 about 5 months. I can used a satellite 12 months am i willing to pay 250$ a year YES and could be more if a sound international structure with well defined planning and objectives can demonstrate a serious will towards the next HEO.
There is already a lot of dedicated peoples around the amateurs radio satellite business who are only making their own small things in their small backyard. Why not regrouping their energies and money towards "ONLY ONE SINGLE" big project? In the amateur satellite world we called that a HEO satellite as AO-40 and as AO-07 AO-10 AO-13 generation who where the first steps towards AO-40.
Just to be clear my opinion is not against the collective effort and people works but against some of the objectives they carry. Volunteers motivation should be the best interest of all not the few.
Feel free to come back this is a very wide subject of discussion with many possible outcome.
73 Tim "-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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I am just trying to figure out why AMSAT NA is not taking advantage of work already done.
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I hope that AMSAT NA does not use an 70cm uplink, because that band is not available for transmitting in all areas of the US. I live near Cape Cod, MA and 70cm is not available for transmitting because of PAVE PAWS.
Fred - KA1CQD
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Rocky Jones Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:58 AM To: n3tl@bellsouth.net; lucleblanc6@videotron.ca; Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
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I am just trying to figure out why AMSAT NA is not taking advantage of work already done.
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Sanford, Fred wrote:
I hope that AMSAT NA does not use an 70cm uplink, because that band is not available for transmitting in all areas of the US. I live near Cape Cod, MA and 70cm is not available for transmitting because of PAVE PAWS.
Fred - KA1CQD
70 cms is actually the preferred uplink for a number of reasons, including less path loss on the downlink, less ground based QRM, and easier Doppler management. This was part of my lessons learned at LEO paper from the Symposium.
I'm aware that the FCC and DOD has restricted some repeaters that were causing interference to PAVE PAWS, but I'm not convinced your blanket statement about 70cms being completely off limits is accurate at all. There is plenty of activity on AO-7 and VO-52, and 432 terrestrial from that area now even. While you may not be able to transmit more than 50 watts without the waiver, or below 15? degrees, thats about 10 times more than I'd expect necessary for this new satellite.
Can you point me towards more information on this prohibition?
73, Drew KO4MA
At 03:53 AM 10/15/2009, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
Sanford, Fred wrote:
I hope that AMSAT NA does not use an 70cm uplink, because that
band is not available for transmitting in all areas of the US. I live near Cape Cod, MA and 70cm is not available for transmitting because of PAVE PAWS.
Fred - KA1CQD
70 cms is actually the preferred uplink for a number of reasons, including less path loss on the downlink, less ground based QRM, and easier Doppler management. This was part of my lessons learned at LEO paper from the Symposium.
70cm uplinks work better here. We have had issues with newcomers not hearing the downlinks on 70 and then causing QRM, because they're not aware there's anyone there. 2m uplinks in this part of the world suffer from QRM when the birds are over Asia. This affects FM LEOs worst, the linear transponders aren't as badly affected.
I've long preferred 70cm uplinks (the big reason SO-35 was such a hit down here).
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
Fred. lovely radar but it hoses some people! Robert WB5MZO
From: fred.sanford@ips.invensys.com To: orbitjet@hotmail.com; n3tl@bellsouth.net; lucleblanc6@videotron.ca; amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:17:47 -0400 Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
I hope that AMSAT NA does not use an 70cm uplink, because that band is not available for transmitting in all areas of the US. I live near Cape Cod, MA and 70cm is not available for transmitting because of PAVE PAWS.
Fred - KA1CQD
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Rocky Jones Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:58 AM To: n3tl@bellsouth.net; lucleblanc6@videotron.ca; Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/HAMSAT.htm
I am just trying to figure out why AMSAT NA is not taking advantage of work already done.
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Fred,
I am going to be in Cape Cod this coming weekend; are you saying don't bother to bring a 70cm radio?
73
David KG4ZLB
Sanford, Fred wrote:
I hope that AMSAT NA does not use an 70cm uplink, because that band is not available for transmitting in all areas of the US. I live near Cape Cod, MA and 70cm is not available for transmitting because of PAVE PAWS.
Fred - KA1CQD
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Rocky Jones Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:58 AM To: n3tl@bellsouth.net; lucleblanc6@videotron.ca; Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/HAMSAT.htm
I am just trying to figure out why AMSAT NA is not taking advantage of work already done.
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Sanford, Fred wrote:
I hope that AMSAT NA does not use an 70cm uplink, because that band is not available for transmitting in all areas of the US. I live near Cape Cod, MA and 70cm is not available for transmitting because of PAVE PAWS.
Hi Fred:
I don't think PAVE PAWS prohibits transmission, it only affected repeater operation. At least I haven't heard anything regarding that, and I was fairly active on 70cm until last Monday when W1WNS/R was PAVE PAWSed.
~Ben
Did I ever tell you about the time I cranked 130w on 435 in Providence, R.I. and I received an admonishing phone call from OTIS, AFB asking me if I was on the air, reminding me of the limitations and my obligation to warn them? I hope I was not the cause of a false alarm, but I don't know. I had never spoken to them and didn't even know about the exclusion zones. This was ancient days, right after AO-10 was launched. I don't know the state of the rules or enforcement today but that caused some consternation let me tell you. Fred at least has the obligation to ask what the rules are currently.
Bob N4HY
Ben Jackson wrote:
Sanford, Fred wrote:
I hope that AMSAT NA does not use an 70cm uplink, because that band is not available for transmitting in all areas of the US. I live near Cape Cod, MA and 70cm is not available for transmitting because of PAVE PAWS.
Hi Fred:
I don't think PAVE PAWS prohibits transmission, it only affected repeater operation. At least I haven't heard anything regarding that, and I was fairly active on 70cm until last Monday when W1WNS/R was PAVE PAWSed.
~Ben
Bob McGwier expunged (rwmcgwier@gmail.com):
Did I ever tell you about the time I cranked 130w on 435 in Providence, R.I. and I received an admonishing phone call from OTIS, AFB asking me if I was on the air, reminding me of the limitations and my obligation to warn them? I hope I was not the cause of a false alarm, but I don't know. I had never spoken to them and didn't even know about the exclusion zones. This was ancient days, right after AO-10 was launched. I don't know the state of the rules or enforcement today but that caused some consternation let me tell you. Fred at least has the obligation to ask what the rules are currently.
From Part 97: (http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/d-305.html#313)
(f) No station may transmit with a transmitter power exceeding 50 W PEP on the UHF 70 cm band from an area specified in footnote US7 to §2.106 of the FCC Rules, unless expressly authorized by the FCC after mutual agreement, on a case-by-case basis, between the District Director of the applicable field facility and the military area frequency coordinator at the applicable military base. An Earth station or telecommand station, however, may transmit on the 435-438 MHz segment with a maximum of 611 W effective radiated power (1 kW equivalent isotropically radiated power) without the authorization otherwise required. The transmitting antenna elevation angle between the lower half-power (-3 dB relative to the peak or antenna bore sight) point and the horizon must always be greater than 10°.
US7 §2.106 (http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/maps/us7/)
(e) In the State of Massachusetts within a 160-kilometer (100 mile) radius around locations at Otis Air Force Base, Massachusetts (latitude 41°45' North, longitude 70°32' West);
Technically, if you were in R.I. you were not restricted because the regs specifically state "In the State of Massachusetts". Also, you were exepemt most likely from the earth station exemption, depending on your ERP and if you are pointed up :)
-Steve
N1JFU - http://n1jfu.blogspot.com - smeuse@twitter
The ballon is down... no one knows where the boy is, he is not in the ballon
Steve Meuse expunged (smeuse@mara.org):
(e) In the State of Massachusetts within a 160-kilometer (100 mile) radius around locations at Otis Air Force Base, Massachusetts (latitude 41°45' North, longitude 70°32' West);
Also, I don't know if this has any legal basis, but technically there is no such thing as "Otis Air Force Base". Pave Paws is location on Cape Cod Air Force Station, which is on the Massachusetts Military Reservation. There is (recently closed) an Otis Massachusetts Air National Guard Base, but OTIS AFB ceased to exist back in the 60's.
-Steve
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That was the source of my confusion as well. My interpretation would be the rule applies only to OTIS AFB (in this case) and it doesn' exist so it cannot apply to a nonexistent entity.
Bob
Steve Meuse wrote:
Steve Meuse expunged (smeuse@mara.org):
(e) In the State of Massachusetts within a 160-kilometer (100 mile) radius around locations at Otis Air Force Base, Massachusetts (latitude 41°45' North, longitude 70°32' West);
Also, I don't know if this has any legal basis, but technically there is no such thing as "Otis Air Force Base". Pave Paws is location on Cape Cod Air Force Station, which is on the Massachusetts Military Reservation. There is (recently closed) an Otis Massachusetts Air National Guard Base, but OTIS AFB ceased to exist back in the 60's.
-Steve
N1JFU - http://n1jfu.blogspot.com - smeuse@twitter
On 10/15/2009, "Bob McGwier" rwmcgwier@gmail.com wrote:
Steve Meuse expunged (smeuse@mara.org):
(e) In the State of Massachusetts within a 160-kilometer (100 mile) radius around locations at Otis Air Force Base, Massachusetts (latitude 41°45' North, longitude 70°32' West);
That was the source of my confusion as well. My interpretation would be the rule applies only to OTIS AFB (in this case) and it doesn' exist so it cannot apply to a nonexistent entity.
Technically the State of Massachusetts doesn't exist either. We're a Commonwealth. ;)
The Air Guard has a B1B and advanced fighter jets deployed there.Otis had numerous strategic bombers deployed at Otis AFB in the 50's during the Cold War. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob McGwier" rwmcgwier@gmail.com To: "Steve Meuse" smeuse@mara.org Cc: "'Amsat BB'" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web
That was the source of my confusion as well. My interpretation would be the rule applies only to OTIS AFB (in this case) and it doesn' exist so it cannot apply to a nonexistent entity.
Bob
Steve Meuse wrote:
Steve Meuse expunged (smeuse@mara.org):
(e) In the State of Massachusetts within a 160-kilometer (100 mile) radius around locations at Otis Air Force Base, Massachusetts (latitude 41°45' North, longitude 70°32' West);
Also, I don't know if this has any legal basis, but technically there is no such thing as "Otis Air Force Base". Pave Paws is location on Cape Cod Air Force Station, which is on the Massachusetts Military Reservation. There is (recently closed) an Otis Massachusetts Air National Guard Base, but OTIS AFB ceased to exist back in the 60's.
-Steve
N1JFU - http://n1jfu.blogspot.com - smeuse@twitter
AMSAT has a U/V linear transponder design in ARISSsat and according to the last newsletter no foreign national has signed the agreement that ITAR requires.
73,
John KD6OZH
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I am just trying to figure out why AMSAT NA is not taking advantage of work already done.
Robert WB5MZO
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John. I was told by someone else that the problem was current use...but if ITAR is the problem, then it can be fixed. ITAR is a pain but it can be "dealt with" particularly in this case...where there is no dual use capability.
As for AMSAT's ARISSsat transponder. Well we will see if it works. They are not exactly burning up the track record with success. We have had this argument and I am willing to sit back and see if it goes, but it is far to much project for the program. Most of the folks I know at JSC give it less then 20 percent chance of working...In fact it was a source of mirth at a recent BDAY party.
Robert WB5MZO
From: kd6ozh@comcast.net To: orbitjet@hotmail.com; n3tl@bellsouth.net; lucleblanc6@videotron.ca; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:06:13 +0000
AMSAT has a U/V linear transponder design in ARISSsat and according to the last newsletter no foreign national has signed the agreement that ITAR requires.
73,
John KD6OZH
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I am just trying to figure out why AMSAT NA is not taking advantage of work already done.
Robert WB5MZO
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In the past I've dealt with ITAR for commercial products, talked to lawyers who were experts and written a document for guideing developers within the company that I worked for at the time. I read ITAR last year and "dealing with it" is not simple when foreign nationals and satellites are involved. AMSAT has an attorney that is advising them but they are not in the situation that I was where the foreign nationals were employees and customers and you could attempt to control them.
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John. I was told by someone else that the problem was current use...but if ITAR is the problem, then it can be fixed. ITAR is a pain but it can be "dealt with" particularly in this case...where there is no dual use capability.
As for AMSAT's ARISSsat transponder. Well we will see if it works. They are not exactly burning up the track record with success. We have had this argument and I am willing to sit back and see if it goes, but it is far to much project for the program. Most of the folks I know at JSC give it less then 20 percent chance of working...In fact it was a source of mirth at a recent BDAY party.
Robert WB5MZO
From: kd6ozh@comcast.net To: orbitjet@hotmail.com; n3tl@bellsouth.net; lucleblanc6@videotron.ca; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Symposium News Posted to the Web Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:06:13 +0000
AMSAT has a U/V linear transponder design in ARISSsat and according to the last newsletter no foreign national has signed the agreement that ITAR requires.
73,
John KD6OZH
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I am just trying to figure out why AMSAT NA is not taking advantage of work already done.
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Why aren't you? I have not heard your signal on a single linear satellite, including VU.
The technology BUILT and currently undergoing testing in ARISSat 1 will provide real tangible benefit for linear transponders (and nonlinear) in the VHF/UHF range for all sorts of missions. But you sling mud at ARISSat without knowing what it actually IS don't you?
Bill Ress, N6GHZ, presented his linear transponder work at the forum. It is really nice work. When we get done with high level HELAPS on it, it will be a very very nice linear transponder indeed, built on late model really nice, naturally hard devices. The efficiency and more are better than achieved by RAH or the other transponder builders for VU. But that is to be expected. We have had the advantage of time and the demand for better RF parts for all sorts of markets producing them.
Bob N4HY
Rocky Jones wrote:
http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/HAMSAT.htm
I am just trying to figure out why AMSAT NA is not taking advantage of work already done.
Robert WB5MZO
it will be entertaining to see how this progresses...most of the bleep sats die quickly...to much satellite for to little space...but lets see how suitsat 2 turns out
I agree we need more Oscar 7's...
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Ahhh geez, here we go again. I left this list awhile back because of a certain group who chose to constantly attack the FM LEO's and the folks who operated on them. I don't remember your post being that way Luc, they didn't attack the op's who used the FM LEO's and I'm not saying you're doing that now but I'm sure someone will come along shortly to do it. We all want an HEO Luc! I never got to operate AO-40. You think I don't see some of the old articles about it and hear the talk about it and dream? Of course I do. The problem is how to pay for the likely multi million dollar launch cost of it. No one is interested in giving hams a free ride anymore or even a discounted ride for that matter. Where is P3E? Was it finished and now languishing in storage waiting for a launch that may never come? Or is it still being built? I really don't know because I never hear or see anything about it. I've seen your suggestions about how to fund it's launch before and while I think they are well intentioned, I don't believe them to be practical. You may have the kind of money you propose to contribute to spare but I don't. I'm sure there are a lot of other hams that don't either and of course there will always be those that do have it but won't contribute even though they will fully expect to be able to use the sat. In my own case, I've had to sell my linear bird capable sat rig awhile back. Then, just the other day I was forced to sell my HF rig because of unexpected family expenses. The absolute best I can mange right now is an FM LEO capable station. It's either do that or do nothing at all. I can't even afford AMSAT dues right now much less contribute but I'm not going to give up and whine about it. I'm going to do what I can and enjoy it. We all have a decision to make, we can sit around and wish for the good old days and lament the fact we don't have an HEO plus blast anyone who dares suggest we put money in another LEO or we can focus on what is within our financial capability to do right now. I applaud the board for their decision and their bold statement. 73, Michael, W4HIJ Luc Leblanc wrote:
"The new AMSAT CubeSat's initial capability is planned to add to the popular low-earth orbit FM transponder fleet allowing hams to continue to use their existing handheld and portable antenna systems. This also continues the accessible entry path for new satellite operators to get started. The existing FM satellites are starting to show their age."
It was widely admitted that AO-51 was a mistake years ago as a transponder type satellite should have been chosen instead of a single channel satellite.
IMHO There ia already enough capabilities with the existing fleet SO-50 AO-51 AO-27 ISS cross band repeater for an entry class satellite plus many cubes in the making as arisat-1. What we lack is a HEO or some AO-07 like satellite with transponder who will make transcontinental QSO'S possible. Theses one channel satellite are a waste of money compare to a transponder type as many simultaneous QSO'S can be achieved at the same time.
But theses issues where widely discussed in the past and i'm guessing the AMSAT symposium attendance widely clapped at this announcement!!!
What AMSAT-NA will be in the next years " HANDHELD CLUB" as written " to continue to use their existing handheld and portable antenna systems."
Wrong direction again 180 degrees of the logical course again!
P.S. It is obvious this variation on the same subject proposal will have plenty of time to evolved or to be put in real service only to be replaced by other new proposals. it is the dog running after his tails syndrome who prevail again. Bottom line is another deceptive unrealistic proposal IMHO.
Feel free to agree or disagree but the shrinking AMSAT-NA membership is probably what's is triggering theses proposals a king of safety buoy for the BOD to avoid drowning the whole crew and her ship. "-"
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