... If you are a member of AMSAT in my view short of threatening death or shouting fire when there is no fire...you pretty much get to lay ones two cents on the line ...
Yo, Robert - I'm coming over to your house this weekend. No, you didn't invite me, but I'll show up anyway. I am bringing my sick St. Bernard - he might mess up the carpet a little until he gets well. I might stay a week or so, I dunno. I kinda like that artwork on your mantle - I think I'll take it home with me when I leave. Sorry about the spilled Pina Colada stain on the rug - I get excited while watching San Diego Chargers football. And I knocked a hole in the wall of that back bedroom - to feed some cabling through for the portable tower I brought with me. The smoke damage from that little fire I accidentally started in the kitchen won't cost you too much in repairs - and the awful smell will go away in a year or so, no biggie. Hey - the fridge is now empty - great Omaha steaks, by the way ... and I used up all your charcoal ...
No, Robert, you would not welcome my presence in your house. You would ban me for life. You'd change the locks and have a restraining order issued.
A private club's (i.e., one not sponsored by the government) membership message board can be set up in any way its officials decide. Those that are not allowed in have no legal recourse. Heck, there was a post today right here that - if *I* were moderating the system - would never have been seen by anyone else.
And so it goes ....
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
Yo Clint
bad comparison. Your house, my house(s) (grin), (insert names) house is private property with an expectation both in common law, law, and ethics of privacy.
It is no where near the same as a public board which would not exist without the funds of members who pay dues. If the AMSAT board members were doing all the financial lifting for the board with no dues used then there might be some better comparison...but ...
sorry the comparison is not even close. In fact it is frankly very poor...about the worst one can have.
nice try. I would have to give you a D minus
Robert WB5MZO life member
From: clintbrad4d@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:01 -0800 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25
... If you are a member of AMSAT in my view short of threatening death or shouting fire when there is no fire...you pretty much get to lay ones two cents on the line ...
Yo, Robert - I'm coming over to your house this weekend. No, you didn't invite me, but I'll show up anyway. I am bringing my sick St. Bernard - he might mess up the carpet a little until he gets well. I might stay a week or so, I dunno. I kinda like that artwork on your mantle - I think I'll take it home with me when I leave. Sorry about the spilled Pina Colada stain on the rug - I get excited while watching San Diego Chargers football. And I knocked a hole in the wall of that back bedroom - to feed some cabling through for the portable tower I brought with me. The smoke damage from that little fire I accidentally started in the kitchen won't cost you too much in repairs - and the awful smell will go away in a year or so, no biggie. Hey - the fridge is now empty - great Omaha steaks, by the way ... and I used up all your charcoal ...
No, Robert, you would not welcome my presence in your house. You would ban me for life. You'd change the locks and have a restraining order issued.
A private club's (i.e., one not sponsored by the government) membership message board can be set up in any way its officials decide. Those that are not allowed in have no legal recourse. Heck, there was a post today right here that - if *I* were moderating the system - would never have been seen by anyone else.
And so it goes ....
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
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Robert,
Of course you would give a D minus. Your arguments, comparisons and analogies are always spot on and relevant while everyone else's is hopelessly and haplessly off the mark. (I thought Clinton's analogy had merit but then I guess I am among the ignorant.)
Robert you obviously care a lot about what AMSAT was and could be again. You with your life experience, knowledge, connections to the aerospace industry and proven ability to achieve should consider running for AMSAT BOD and while you are at it become an officer. With you in office AMSAT can secure the launch opportunities that are obviously being missed. Through your leadership, engineering talent can be lured to design and build the next generation of amateur satellites. Your charm and whit can be used to draw the financial resources required to operate AMSAT and fund projects.
Come on Robert show us how things can really be done; run for BOD. Save us from ourselves.
Kevin, N3HKQ Annually renewing member #24705
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Rocky Jones Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:01 PM To: clintbrad4d@earthlink.net; Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25
Yo Clint
bad comparison. Your house, my house(s) (grin), (insert names) house is private property with an expectation both in common law, law, and ethics of privacy.
It is no where near the same as a public board which would not exist without the funds of members who pay dues. If the AMSAT board members were doing all the financial lifting for the board with no dues used then there might be some better comparison...but ...
sorry the comparison is not even close. In fact it is frankly very poor...about the worst one can have.
nice try. I would have to give you a D minus
Robert WB5MZO life member
From: clintbrad4d@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:06:01 -0800 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25
... If you are a member of AMSAT in my view short of threatening death
or shouting fire when there is no fire...you pretty much get to lay ones two cents on the line ...
Yo, Robert - I'm coming over to your house this weekend. No, you didn't
invite me, but I'll show up anyway. I am bringing my sick St. Bernard - he might mess up the carpet a little until he gets well. I might stay a week or so, I dunno. I kinda like that artwork on your mantle - I think I'll take it home with me when I leave. Sorry about the spilled Pina Colada stain on the rug - I get excited while watching San Diego Chargers football. And I knocked a hole in the wall of that back bedroom - to feed some cabling through for the portable tower I brought with me. The smoke damage from that little fire I accidentally started in the kitchen won't cost you too much in repairs - and the awful smell will go away in a year or so, no biggie. Hey - the fridge is now empty - great Omaha steaks, by the way ... and I used up all your charcoal ...
No, Robert, you would not welcome my presence in your house. You would ban
me for life. You'd change the locks and have a restraining order issued.
A private club's (i.e., one not sponsored by the government) membership
message board can be set up in any way its officials decide. Those that are not allowed in have no legal recourse. Heck, there was a post today right here that - if *I* were moderating the system - would never have been seen by anyone else.
And so it goes ....
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
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From: kevin.j.smith@comcast.net To: orbitjet@hotmail.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 5, Issue 25 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:35:01 -0500
Robert,
Of course you would give a D minus. .... (I thought Clinton's analogy had merit but then I guess I am among the ignorant.)
Kevin, N3HKQ
kevin. I dont think you will find a post where I make the claim you do ("Your arguments, comparisons and
analogies are always spot on and relevant while everyone else's is hopelessly and haplessly off the mark.") such a claim is the definition of hubris and if I do make a comparison you are free to try and refute it or state how it flounders.
I believe Clinton's flounders because to compare a board which is open in the public domain to private property which is at the heart of a Free Republic is in my view cheapening of both the concepts of speech and private property.
Having traveled a "tad" in the world I have come even more so to value both notions.
As for "saving people" from themselves. I learned a long time ago that people who have no personal responsibility can as adults not be taught it...it is a personal thing
Robert WB5MZO Life Member AMSAT ARRL
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