Re: [amsat-bb] Southern CA Satellite Presentations
... you would quit telling people that full duplex is "not mandatory" for working sats.
You've never attended one of my sat sessions. I have never uttered the sentence to groups, "It is not mandatory to work full-duplex. - PERIOD." My standard mantra for the easy FM birds is all over the place:
"Ideally, we should be working the satellites in full duplex mode, where we can simultaneously listen to the downlink as we are transmitting. Although this method is preferred, it is not mandatory: Carefully monitor the downlink, and wait for a break in the conversations to announce yourself."
People you might be hearing stepping on others are not following those instructions.
And all my audiences are very graphically shown and told the reasons why working full- duplex is preferable.
I didn't work full-duplex when speaking with Commander Wiseman - who was aboard the ISS at the time during Field Day 2014.
If you haven't already given a presentation to your club on working the easy birds, I am available. Just send me an email message.
Clint Bradford K6LCS (909) 999-SATS
Cliff, unless I'm missing something, you claim below to never say:
"It is not mandatory to work full-duplex. - PERIOD."
Then you say what you tell your class is:
Although this method is preferred, it is not mandatory:
I'm a little confused...
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On Jun 26, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Clint Bradford clintbrad4d@earthlink.net wrote:
... you would quit telling people that full duplex is "not mandatory" for working sats.
You've never attended one of my sat sessions. I have never uttered the sentence to groups, "It is not mandatory to work full-duplex. - PERIOD." My standard mantra for the easy FM birds is all over the place:
"Ideally, we should be working the satellites in full duplex mode, where we can simultaneously listen to the downlink as we are transmitting. Although this method is preferred, it is not mandatory: Carefully monitor the downlink, and wait for a break in the conversations to announce yourself."
People you might be hearing stepping on others are not following those instructions.
And all my audiences are very graphically shown and told the reasons why working full- duplex is preferable.
I didn't work full-duplex when speaking with Commander Wiseman - who was aboard the ISS at the time during Field Day 2014.
If you haven't already given a presentation to your club on working the easy birds, I am available. Just send me an email message.
Clint Bradford K6LCS (909) 999-SATS _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Can we argue in a less public email reflector.
We all get it - some people like ford some people like Chevy let's bury it or take it offline. My inbox is tired of this.
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On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Daron Wilson daron@wilson.org wrote:
Cliff, unless I'm missing something, you claim below to never say:
"It is not mandatory to work full-duplex. - PERIOD."
Then you say what you tell your class is:
Although this method is preferred, it is not mandatory:
I'm a little confused...
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Clint Bradford clintbrad4d@earthlink.net wrote:
... you would quit telling people that full duplex is "not mandatory" for working sats.
You've never attended one of my sat sessions. I have never uttered the sentence to groups, "It is not mandatory to work full-duplex. - PERIOD." My standard mantra for the easy FM birds is all over the place:
"Ideally, we should be working the satellites in full duplex mode, where we can simultaneously listen to the downlink as we are transmitting. Although this method is preferred, it is not mandatory: Carefully monitor the downlink, and wait for a break in the conversations to announce yourself."
People you might be hearing stepping on others are not following those instructions.
And all my audiences are very graphically shown and told the reasons why working full- duplex is preferable.
I didn't work full-duplex when speaking with Commander Wiseman - who was aboard the ISS at the time during Field Day 2014.
If you haven't already given a presentation to your club on working the easy birds, I am available. Just send me an email message.
Clint Bradford K6LCS (909) 999-SATS _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Agreed. No more.
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On Jun 27, 2016, at 08:59, Kelly Keeton kellyrkeeton@gmail.com wrote:
Can we argue in a less public email reflector.
We all get it - some people like ford some people like Chevy let's bury it or take it offline. My inbox is tired of this.
Sent from a mobile device.
On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Daron Wilson daron@wilson.org wrote:
Cliff, unless I'm missing something, you claim below to never say:
"It is not mandatory to work full-duplex. - PERIOD."
Then you say what you tell your class is:
Although this method is preferred, it is not mandatory:
I'm a little confused...
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 26, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Clint Bradford clintbrad4d@earthlink.net wrote:
... you would quit telling people that full duplex is "not mandatory" for working sats.
You've never attended one of my sat sessions. I have never uttered the sentence to groups, "It is not mandatory to work full-duplex. - PERIOD." My standard mantra for the easy FM birds is all over the place:
"Ideally, we should be working the satellites in full duplex mode, where we can simultaneously listen to the downlink as we are transmitting. Although this method is preferred, it is not mandatory: Carefully monitor the downlink, and wait for a break in the conversations to announce yourself."
People you might be hearing stepping on others are not following those instructions.
And all my audiences are very graphically shown and told the reasons why working full- duplex is preferable.
I didn't work full-duplex when speaking with Commander Wiseman - who was aboard the ISS at the time during Field Day 2014.
If you haven't already given a presentation to your club on working the easy birds, I am available. Just send me an email message.
Clint Bradford K6LCS (909) 999-SATS _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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I could care less whether you have ever uttered it or not in one of your live presentations. It is printed in black and white in your handout. You just quoted it yourself. The minute you typed that phrase and began giving out handouts or telling people to print it out you became guilty of spreading ignorance as far as satellite operation is concerned. You are leading newbie sat operators down a path they should not be on. If one does not have the means to hear their own signal coming back from the bird so as to insure they are "making it there" then they should not be on the satellites. End of story. Michael, W4HIJ On 6/26/2016 11:37 PM, Clint Bradford wrote:
... you would quit telling people that full duplex is "not mandatory" for working sats.
You've never attended one of my sat sessions. I have never uttered the sentence to groups, "It is not mandatory to work full-duplex. - PERIOD." My standard mantra for the easy FM birds is all over the place:
"Ideally, we should be working the satellites in full duplex mode, where we can simultaneously listen to the downlink as we are transmitting. Although this method is preferred, it is not mandatory: Carefully monitor the downlink, and wait for a break in the conversations to announce yourself."
People you might be hearing stepping on others are not following those instructions.
And all my audiences are very graphically shown and told the reasons why working full- duplex is preferable.
I didn't work full-duplex when speaking with Commander Wiseman - who was aboard the ISS at the time during Field Day 2014.
If you haven't already given a presentation to your club on working the easy birds, I am available. Just send me an email message.
Clint Bradford K6LCS (909) 999-SATS _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Can we make a modest effort at comity? Be nice, folks.
On 27-Jun-2016, at 09:04 PM, Michael Mat_62@charter.net wrote:
I could care less whether you have ever uttered it or not in one of your live presentations. It is printed in black and white in your handout. You just quoted it yourself. The minute you typed that phrase and began giving out handouts or telling people to print it out you became guilty of spreading ignorance as far as satellite operation is concerned. You are leading newbie sat operators down a path they should not be on. If one does not have the means to hear their own signal coming back from the bird so as to insure they are "making it there" then they should not be on the satellites. End of story. Michael, W4HIJ On 6/26/2016 11:37 PM, Clint Bradford wrote:
... you would quit telling people that full duplex is "not mandatory" for working sats.
You've never attended one of my sat sessions. I have never uttered the sentence to groups, "It is not mandatory to work full-duplex. - PERIOD." My standard mantra for the easy FM birds is all over the place:
"Ideally, we should be working the satellites in full duplex mode, where we can simultaneously listen to the downlink as we are transmitting. Although this method is preferred, it is not mandatory: Carefully monitor the downlink, and wait for a break in the conversations to announce yourself."
People you might be hearing stepping on others are not following those instructions.
And all my audiences are very graphically shown and told the reasons why working full- duplex is preferable.
I didn't work full-duplex when speaking with Commander Wiseman - who was aboard the ISS at the time during Field Day 2014.
If you haven't already given a presentation to your club on working the easy birds, I am available. Just send me an email message.
Clint Bradford K6LCS (909) 999-SATS _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Everyone, in some small sacred sanctuary of the self, is nuts. -Leo Rosten, author (1908-1997)
Comity? From Merriam-Webster:
"Our country soweth also in the field of our breasts many precious seeds, as . honest behavior, affability, comity, wrote English clergyman Thomas Becon in 1543. Becon's use is the earliest documented appearance of comity - a word derived from Latin comitas, meaning "courteousness" (and probably related to the Sanskrit word for "he smiles"). Comity is largely used in political and judicial contexts. Since 1862 comity of nations has referred to countries bound by a courteous relationship based on mutual recognition of executive, legislative, and judicial acts. And, in legal contexts, comity refers to the recognition by courts of one jurisdiction of the laws and judicial decisions of another.
Nah...too much of that lets the blowhards off the hook..
K7TRK
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Arthur Feller Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 6:14 PM To: Michael Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Southern CA Satellite Presentations
Can we make a modest effort at comity? Be nice, folks.
On 27-Jun-2016, at 09:04 PM, Michael Mat_62@charter.net wrote:
I could care less whether you have ever uttered it or not in one of your
live presentations. It is printed in black and white in your handout. You just quoted it yourself. The minute you typed that phrase and began giving out handouts or telling people to print it out you became guilty of spreading ignorance as far as satellite operation is concerned. You are leading newbie sat operators down a path they should not be on. If one does not have the means to hear their own signal coming back from the bird so as to insure they are "making it there" then they should not be on the satellites. End of story.
Michael, W4HIJ On 6/26/2016 11:37 PM, Clint Bradford wrote:
... you would quit telling people that full duplex is "not mandatory"
for working sats.
You've never attended one of my sat sessions. I have never uttered the sentence to groups, "It is not mandatory to work full-duplex. - PERIOD." My standard mantra for the easy FM birds is all over the place:
"Ideally, we should be working the satellites in full duplex mode, where we can simultaneously listen to the downlink as we are transmitting. Although this method is preferred, it is not mandatory: Carefully monitor the downlink, and wait for a break in the conversations
to announce yourself."
People you might be hearing stepping on others are not following those
instructions.
And all my audiences are very graphically shown and told the reasons why working full- duplex is preferable.
I didn't work full-duplex when speaking with Commander Wiseman - who was aboard the ISS at the time during Field Day 2014.
If you haven't already given a presentation to your club on working the easy birds, I am available. Just send me an email message.
Clint Bradford K6LCS (909) 999-SATS _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
official views of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
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Everyone, in some small sacred sanctuary of the self, is nuts. -Leo Rosten, author (1908-1997)
http://afeller.us http://afeller.us/
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My apologies for using old words with this young crowd. Just be nice to each other, please. I realize this is a very old problem, but please give it a try.
73, art….. W4ART Arlington VA
On 27-Jun-2016, at 09:26 PM, Ted k7trkradio@charter.net wrote:
Comity? From Merriam-Webster:
"Our country soweth also in the field of our breasts many precious seeds, as . honest behavior, affability, comity, wrote English clergyman Thomas Becon in 1543. Becon's use is the earliest documented appearance of comity - a word derived from Latin comitas, meaning "courteousness" (and probably related to the Sanskrit word for "he smiles"). Comity is largely used in political and judicial contexts. Since 1862 comity of nations has referred to countries bound by a courteous relationship based on mutual recognition of executive, legislative, and judicial acts. And, in legal contexts, comity refers to the recognition by courts of one jurisdiction of the laws and judicial decisions of another.
Nah...too much of that lets the blowhards off the hook..
K7TRK
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Arthur Feller Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 6:14 PM To: Michael Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Southern CA Satellite Presentations
Can we make a modest effort at comity? Be nice, folks.
On 27-Jun-2016, at 09:04 PM, Michael Mat_62@charter.net wrote:
I could care less whether you have ever uttered it or not in one of your
live presentations. It is printed in black and white in your handout. You just quoted it yourself. The minute you typed that phrase and began giving out handouts or telling people to print it out you became guilty of spreading ignorance as far as satellite operation is concerned. You are leading newbie sat operators down a path they should not be on. If one does not have the means to hear their own signal coming back from the bird so as to insure they are "making it there" then they should not be on the satellites. End of story.
Michael, W4HIJ On 6/26/2016 11:37 PM, Clint Bradford wrote:
... you would quit telling people that full duplex is "not mandatory"
for working sats.
You've never attended one of my sat sessions. I have never uttered the sentence to groups, "It is not mandatory to work full-duplex. - PERIOD." My standard mantra for the easy FM birds is all over the place:
"Ideally, we should be working the satellites in full duplex mode, where we can simultaneously listen to the downlink as we are transmitting. Although this method is preferred, it is not mandatory: Carefully monitor the downlink, and wait for a break in the conversations
to announce yourself."
People you might be hearing stepping on others are not following those
instructions.
And all my audiences are very graphically shown and told the reasons why working full- duplex is preferable.
I didn't work full-duplex when speaking with Commander Wiseman - who was aboard the ISS at the time during Field Day 2014.
If you haven't already given a presentation to your club on working the easy birds, I am available. Just send me an email message.
Clint Bradford K6LCS (909) 999-SATS _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
official views of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
official views of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Everyone, in some small sacred sanctuary of the self, is nuts. -Leo Rosten, author (1908-1997)
http://afeller.us http://afeller.us/
Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Everyone, in some small sacred sanctuary of the self, is nuts. -Leo Rosten, author (1908-1997)
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