2016-066D Satellite Name: TY-1 Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 437.5MHz Bandwith 300kHz
2016-066E Satellite Name: CAS-2T(Dream-1) Mission: Education, Amateur radio, Technical experiment CW Beacon: 435.710MHz FM Transponder Uplink: 145.925MHz FM Transponder Downlink: 435.615MHz
2016-066E Satellite Name: KS-1Q Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 436.5MHz 20kbps GMSK
2016-066F Satellite Name: Pegasus-1 Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 468.0MHz FSK
73 Alan, BA1DU Chinese Amateur Satellite Group(CAMSAT)
Excellent, Alan!
Can you tell us more?
When will these launch?
-- bag
Bryan KL7CN/W6 bryan@kl7cn.net CM98, usually
On Nov 16, 2016, at 19:58, Alan Kung camsat@vip.163.com wrote:
2016-066D Satellite Name: TY-1 Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 437.5MHz Bandwith 300kHz
2016-066E Satellite Name: CAS-2T(Dream-1) Mission: Education, Amateur radio, Technical experiment CW Beacon: 435.710MHz FM Transponder Uplink: 145.925MHz FM Transponder Downlink: 435.615MHz
2016-066E Satellite Name: KS-1Q Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 436.5MHz 20kbps GMSK
2016-066F Satellite Name: Pegasus-1 Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 468.0MHz FSK
73 Alan, BA1DU Chinese Amateur Satellite Group(CAMSAT) _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Hi Brian,
They are already launched. Here the kepler data from celestrak tle-new.txt :
2016-066D 1 41844U 16066D 16322.22237288 -.00000070 00000-0 00000+0 0 9995 2 41844 97.4048 326.6901 0014852 260.7199 228.1538 15.21457474 1107 2016-066E 1 41845U 16066E 16321.99208595 -.00000068 00000-0 00000+0 0 9995 2 41845 98.7815 326.5167 0367187 157.7574 204.0013 14.37653650 1001 2016-066F 1 41846U 16066F 16321.78743598 -.00000068 00000-0 00000+0 0 9990 2 41846 98.7853 326.3011 0370412 158.7880 202.9134 14.36772856 971
@Alan, thanks for the information, good to see there are even two extra satellites. TY-1 and Pegasus-1, these are new to me and I will try to receive them the next couple of days.
73 Jan PE0SAT
On 17-11-2016 05:32, Bryan KL7CN wrote:
Excellent, Alan!
Can you tell us more?
When will these launch?
-- bag
Bryan KL7CN/W6 bryan@kl7cn.net CM98, usually
On Nov 16, 2016, at 19:58, Alan Kung camsat@vip.163.com wrote:
2016-066D Satellite Name: TY-1 Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 437.5MHz Bandwith 300kHz
2016-066E Satellite Name: CAS-2T(Dream-1) Mission: Education, Amateur radio, Technical experiment CW Beacon: 435.710MHz FM Transponder Uplink: 145.925MHz FM Transponder Downlink: 435.615MHz
2016-066E Satellite Name: KS-1Q Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 436.5MHz 20kbps GMSK
2016-066F Satellite Name: Pegasus-1 Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 468.0MHz FSK
73 Alan, BA1DU Chinese Amateur Satellite Group(CAMSAT) _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Bryan,
It was launched on 9 Nov at 23:42UTC by CZ-11 solid rocket in JiuQuan Satellite Launch Center of China.
73 Alan, BA1DU
At 2016-11-17 12:32:43, "Bryan KL7CN" bryan@kl7cn.net wrote:
Excellent, Alan!
Can you tell us more?
When will these launch?
-- bag
Bryan KL7CN/W6 bryan@kl7cn.net CM98, usually
On Nov 16, 2016, at 19:58, Alan Kung camsat@vip.163.com wrote:
2016-066D Satellite Name: TY-1 Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 437.5MHz Bandwith 300kHz
2016-066E Satellite Name: CAS-2T(Dream-1) Mission: Education, Amateur radio, Technical experiment CW Beacon: 435.710MHz FM Transponder Uplink: 145.925MHz FM Transponder Downlink: 435.615MHz
2016-066E Satellite Name: KS-1Q Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 436.5MHz 20kbps GMSK
2016-066F Satellite Name: Pegasus-1 Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 468.0MHz FSK
73 Alan, BA1DU Chinese Amateur Satellite Group(CAMSAT) _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
El 17/11/16 a las 04:58, Alan Kung escribió:
2016-066D Satellite Name: TY-1 Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 437.5MHz Bandwith 300kHz
Hi all,
Has anyone heard this one? Can anyone keep an ear?
I wonder what sort of modulation it uses, since 300kHz is quite wide for the 70cm (probably excessive, if you ask many people).
73,
Dani EA4GPZ.
Hi Alan,
I have listened to CAS-2T on several passes now. I can make the repeater transmitter come on by transmitting on the uplink, but as others have pointed out, nothing is repeated. The downlink is intermittent and choppy, with no audio apparently passed through. It almost sounds like older handhelds would sound on transmit with a low battery. I wonder if it's possible to try turning the CW beacon off? It would be great to recover the satellite, as it is in a very nice orbit!
73, Drew KO4MA
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Alan Kung Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:58 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Info of Chinese Launch 2016-066
2016-066D Satellite Name: TY-1 Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 437.5MHz Bandwith 300kHz
2016-066E Satellite Name: CAS-2T(Dream-1) Mission: Education, Amateur radio, Technical experiment CW Beacon: 435.710MHz FM Transponder Uplink: 145.925MHz FM Transponder Downlink: 435.615MHz
2016-066E Satellite Name: KS-1Q Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 436.5MHz 20kbps GMSK
2016-066F Satellite Name: Pegasus-1 Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 468.0MHz FSK
73 Alan, BA1DU Chinese Amateur Satellite Group(CAMSAT) _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Hi Drew,
Thanks for your report! I think the problem is not lack of electric energy, CAS-2T is an 2U structure, we installed solar panels on five sides with 30% efficiency, average total power about 2.2 Watts, the power budget: CW Beacon=0.5W, FM Transponder=0.7W, OBC=0.05W, TT&C Receiver=0.12W, Total=1.37W, normally there is some superfluous power to supply to heating resistances.
What problems are I think: First CAS-2T was not separated from the launch vehicle, final stage of the lauch vehicle is much bigger than CAS-2T satellite, and it keeps self spin in approx. 7 seconds per circle. It lead to the antenna radiation pattern becomes chaotic, the gain at some positions become much lower and is accompanied by a parasitic amplitude modulation. On the other hand, in order to avoid chaotic signal on VHF from land in East Asia to disturb the Satellite uplink , we adjusted the uplink receiver squelch at very deep position, it makes the transponder opening sensitivity less than -110dBm at RF input port of the receiver.
So I think the solution is only to improve the uplink EIRP, some of the high schools' club stations here using 3 meters boom antennas with approx. 50W RF power to get through the transponder well.
73 Alan, BA1DU
At 2016-11-19 08:29:06, "Andrew Glasbrenner" glasbrenner@mindspring.com wrote:
Hi Alan,
I have listened to CAS-2T on several passes now. I can make the repeater transmitter come on by transmitting on the uplink, but as others have pointed out, nothing is repeated. The downlink is intermittent and choppy, with no audio apparently passed through. It almost sounds like older handhelds would sound on transmit with a low battery. I wonder if it's possible to try turning the CW beacon off? It would be great to recover the satellite, as it is in a very nice orbit!
73, Drew KO4MA
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Alan Kung Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:58 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Info of Chinese Launch 2016-066
2016-066D Satellite Name: TY-1 Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 437.5MHz Bandwith 300kHz
2016-066E Satellite Name: CAS-2T(Dream-1) Mission: Education, Amateur radio, Technical experiment CW Beacon: 435.710MHz FM Transponder Uplink: 145.925MHz FM Transponder Downlink: 435.615MHz
2016-066E Satellite Name: KS-1Q Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 436.5MHz 20kbps GMSK
2016-066F Satellite Name: Pegasus-1 Mission: Technical experiment TT&C: 468.0MHz FSK
73 Alan, BA1DU Chinese Amateur Satellite Group(CAMSAT) _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
El 20/11/16 a las 19:14, Alan Kung escribió:
Hi Drew,
Thanks for your report! I think the problem is not lack of electric energy, CAS-2T is an 2U structure, we installed solar panels on five sides with 30% efficiency, average total power about 2.2 Watts, the power budget: CW Beacon=0.5W, FM Transponder=0.7W, OBC=0.05W, TT&C Receiver=0.12W, Total=1.37W, normally there is some superfluous power to supply to heating resistances.
What problems are I think: First CAS-2T was not separated from the launch vehicle, final stage of the lauch vehicle is much bigger than CAS-2T satellite, and it keeps self spin in approx. 7 seconds per circle. It lead to the antenna radiation pattern becomes chaotic, the gain at some positions become much lower and is accompanied by a parasitic amplitude modulation. On the other hand, in order to avoid chaotic signal on VHF from land in East Asia to disturb the Satellite uplink , we adjusted the uplink receiver squelch at very deep position, it makes the transponder opening sensitivity less than -110dBm at RF input port of the receiver.
So I think the solution is only to improve the uplink EIRP, some of the high schools' club stations here using 3 meters boom antennas with approx. 50W RF power to get through the transponder well.
Hi Alan,
Given my own observations and all the reports I've heard from other Amateurs, I don't agree with your explanation.
It is not a problem with the squelch or the uplink EIRP. The FM comes on even with an uplink of 5W to a 7el yagi. The problem is that the downlink is not a clean FM modulation, but some sort of "rubbish".
I haven't heard of anyone that succeeded to downlink his signal through the FM transponder fine. People using big or small groundstations have the same problem.
What is this high schools thing? Do you mean that they were able to use the CAS-2T FM repeater successfully? If so, can anyone with a big groundstation give this a try and preferably do an SDR recording of the downlink?
More info: http://destevez.net/2016/11/some-measurements-of-cas-2t-on-orbit-25/
73,
Dani EA4GPZ.
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