Now THERE'S a guaranteed manner in which to increase attendance: add a cruise cost to air fare.
You gotta be kidding.
This makes your online pleas for money raising on behalf of AMSAT-NA for satellite projects seem trivial and unnecessary: AMSAT must be loaded if they think this is going to enhance their stature and bank account.
This makes me wonder what the true desire is of AMSAT-NA. If it is, indeed, to "disseminate info about and build birds," then the best method available is remote, live, videocasts from presenters. That would cost the presenter NOTHING in transportation costs. It would involve EVERY CONTINENT on the planet. And it would allow the largest possible audiences to "attend." Minimal charge for password access to whatever session one wanted to see ... or a conference package fee ... allow that access to be shown to a classroom or audience ... those fees are TOTAL PROFIT to AMSAT (unless honorariums are paid to some presenters).
Overhead costs to AMSAT-NA? Virtually nothing. Largest attendance ever of any AMSAT show in history? Guaranteed.
Unless the same minds who thought up "let's take a cruise" are in charge of it ... only then could someone mess up so simple a concept to bring educational sessions to the largest audience.
Clint Bradford
Clint,
You have found a personal niche in which you can function and provide a valuable service, but it has very narrow, limited perspectives and experiences. No harm in that, as long as you recognize it. Fortunately we have members with a wider range of skills, experience, and viewpoints in AMSAT who can understand and take advantage of the additional opportunities which you deride. AMSAT has many functions beyond publicity, and extensively uses telepresence to great effect and economy, but at least so far there is no substitute for periodic face time. Also, as hard as it may be to believe, some hams have interests outside of satellites and would relish a chance to combine a family friendly cruise with their hobby. My recommendation is to take a deep breath, get some details and balance, and see what plays out over the next few months.
I will not be attending due to a prior commitment, so my only concern is what Gulf grids they will activate?
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Clint Bradford <Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 10:14 PM <To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org <Subject: [amsat-bb] Cruise with Amsat! < <Now THERE'S a guaranteed manner in which to increase <attendance: add a cruise cost to air fare. < <You gotta be kidding. < <This makes your online pleas for money raising on behalf of AMSAT-NA <for satellite projects seem trivial and unnecessary: AMSAT must <be loaded if they think this is going to enhance their stature and <bank account. < <This makes me wonder what the true desire is of AMSAT-NA. If it <is, indeed, to "disseminate info about and build birds," then the <best method available is remote, live, videocasts from presenters. <That would cost the presenter NOTHING in transportation costs. <It would involve EVERY CONTINENT on the planet. And it would <allow the largest possible audiences to "attend." Minimal charge <for password access to whatever session one wanted to see ... or <a conference package fee ... allow that access to be shown to a <classroom or audience ... those fees are TOTAL PROFIT to AMSAT <(unless honorariums are paid to some presenters). < <Overhead costs to AMSAT-NA? Virtually nothing. Largest attendance <ever of any AMSAT show in history? Guaranteed. < <Unless the same minds who thought up "let's take a cruise" are in charge <of it ... only then could someone mess up so simple a concept to bring <educational sessions to the largest audience. < <Clint Bradford <_______________________________________________ <Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! <Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Clint,
Alan¹s comments are well stated. Let me add a little more information.
The proposal to hold the 2016 AMSAT Symposium on a cruise ship was assembled by Clayton, W5PFG. One of his major goals was to create a ³family friendly² venue. Where can we have a Symposium that non-ham members of the family can attend and have a good time?
You object to the cost of a cruise. The reality is that most cruises are similar in price to the cost of a hotel room (hotels with conference facilities and restaurants) *with* meals. Note that the Symposium is not a money-making operation and one goal is to breakeven financially.
Please note that the format of our Symposiums with published proceedings mimics that of academic conferences. This is important to the U.S. Government and helps us deal with ITAR regulations. Unfortunately, a virtual (online) conference does not meet their requirements.
I think Clayton¹s idea is a good one. Will attendance be up or down from recent Symposiums? I don¹t know, and we won¹t know until we try. I think it has a very good chance to be successful. AMSAT does a lot of experimenting with most of our activities. Every Symposium is an experiment.
In general, AMSAT Symposiums are organized by a local committee of volunteers. Dayton was organized by Steve Coy and volunteers from DARA. Baltimore was organized by Frank Bauer and volunteers from the Maryland and DC area.
In this case, Clayton stepped forward, did the investigation and leg-work, and assembled a proposal. Note that Clayton is an active satellite operator and an active rover. He is not an AMSAT board member or officer. He¹s just an AMSAT volunteer, a great guy, and a friend.
73, Steve N9IP -- Steve Belter, seb@wintek.com
On 1/10/16, 6:59 AM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Alan" <amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org on behalf of wa4sca@gmail.com> wrote:
Clint,
You have found a personal niche in which you can function and provide a valuable service, but it has very narrow, limited perspectives and experiences. No harm in that, as long as you recognize it. Fortunately we have members with a wider range of skills, experience, and viewpoints in AMSAT who can understand and take advantage of the additional opportunities which you deride. AMSAT has many functions beyond publicity, and extensively uses telepresence to great effect and economy, but at least so far there is no substitute for periodic face time. Also, as hard as it may be to believe, some hams have interests outside of satellites and would relish a chance to combine a family friendly cruise with their hobby. My recommendation is to take a deep breath, get some details and balance, and see what plays out over the next few months.
I will not be attending due to a prior commitment, so my only concern is what Gulf grids they will activate?
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Clint Bradford <Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 10:14 PM <To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org <Subject: [amsat-bb] Cruise with Amsat! < <Now THERE'S a guaranteed manner in which to increase <attendance: add a cruise cost to air fare. < <You gotta be kidding. < <This makes your online pleas for money raising on behalf of AMSAT-NA <for satellite projects seem trivial and unnecessary: AMSAT must <be loaded if they think this is going to enhance their stature and <bank account. < <This makes me wonder what the true desire is of AMSAT-NA. If it <is, indeed, to "disseminate info about and build birds," then the <best method available is remote, live, videocasts from presenters. <That would cost the presenter NOTHING in transportation costs. <It would involve EVERY CONTINENT on the planet. And it would <allow the largest possible audiences to "attend." Minimal charge <for password access to whatever session one wanted to see ... or <a conference package fee ... allow that access to be shown to a <classroom or audience ... those fees are TOTAL PROFIT to AMSAT <(unless honorariums are paid to some presenters). < <Overhead costs to AMSAT-NA? Virtually nothing. Largest attendance <ever of any AMSAT show in history? Guaranteed. < <Unless the same minds who thought up "let's take a cruise" are in charge <of it ... only then could someone mess up so simple a concept to bring <educational sessions to the largest audience. < <Clint Bradford <_______________________________________________ <Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! <Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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For comparison purposes, my wife and I have found the following: We usually go stay with relatives in Texas and Florida for the Winterfor several weeks at a time. To avoid getting sick of each other, wetake a week and give them/us a break. We have found that taking acruise is much cheaper than motels/meals/travel/entertainment. So,the idea of a Cruise/Symposium sounds very good. There are manyin the 3 and 4 day category that would be well-suited - IMHO.73, Bob K8BL From: Stephen E. Belter seb@wintek.com To: 'AMSAT BB' amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cruise with Amsat!
Clint,
Alan¹s comments are well stated. Let me add a little more information.
The proposal to hold the 2016 AMSAT Symposium on a cruise ship was assembled by Clayton, W5PFG. One of his major goals was to create a ³family friendly² venue. Where can we have a Symposium that non-ham members of the family can attend and have a good time?
You object to the cost of a cruise. The reality is that most cruises are similar in price to the cost of a hotel room (hotels with conference facilities and restaurants) *with* meals. Note that the Symposium is not a money-making operation and one goal is to breakeven financially.
Please note that the format of our Symposiums with published proceedings mimics that of academic conferences. This is important to the U.S. Government and helps us deal with ITAR regulations. Unfortunately, a virtual (online) conference does not meet their requirements.
I think Clayton¹s idea is a good one. Will attendance be up or down from recent Symposiums? I don¹t know, and we won¹t know until we try. I think it has a very good chance to be successful. AMSAT does a lot of experimenting with most of our activities. Every Symposium is an experiment.
In general, AMSAT Symposiums are organized by a local committee of volunteers. Dayton was organized by Steve Coy and volunteers from DARA. Baltimore was organized by Frank Bauer and volunteers from the Maryland and DC area.
In this case, Clayton stepped forward, did the investigation and leg-work, and assembled a proposal. Note that Clayton is an active satellite operator and an active rover. He is not an AMSAT board member or officer. He¹s just an AMSAT volunteer, a great guy, and a friend.
73, Steve N9IP -- Steve Belter, seb@wintek.com
On 1/10/16, 6:59 AM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Alan" <amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org on behalf of wa4sca@gmail.com> wrote:
Clint,
You have found a personal niche in which you can function and provide a valuable service, but it has very narrow, limited perspectives and experiences. No harm in that, as long as you recognize it. Fortunately we have members with a wider range of skills, experience, and viewpoints in AMSAT who can understand and take advantage of the additional opportunities which you deride. AMSAT has many functions beyond publicity, and extensively uses telepresence to great effect and economy, but at least so far there is no substitute for periodic face time. Also, as hard as it may be to believe, some hams have interests outside of satellites and would relish a chance to combine a family friendly cruise with their hobby. My recommendation is to take a deep breath, get some details and balance, and see what plays out over the next few months.
I will not be attending due to a prior commitment, so my only concern is what Gulf grids they will activate?
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Clint Bradford <Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 10:14 PM <To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org <Subject: [amsat-bb] Cruise with Amsat! < <Now THERE'S a guaranteed manner in which to increase <attendance: add a cruise cost to air fare. < <You gotta be kidding. < <This makes your online pleas for money raising on behalf of AMSAT-NA <for satellite projects seem trivial and unnecessary: AMSAT must <be loaded if they think this is going to enhance their stature and <bank account. < <This makes me wonder what the true desire is of AMSAT-NA. If it <is, indeed, to "disseminate info about and build birds," then the <best method available is remote, live, videocasts from presenters. <That would cost the presenter NOTHING in transportation costs. <It would involve EVERY CONTINENT on the planet. And it would <allow the largest possible audiences to "attend." Minimal charge <for password access to whatever session one wanted to see ... or <a conference package fee ... allow that access to be shown to a <classroom or audience ... those fees are TOTAL PROFIT to AMSAT <(unless honorariums are paid to some presenters). < <Overhead costs to AMSAT-NA? Virtually nothing. Largest attendance <ever of any AMSAT show in history? Guaranteed. < <Unless the same minds who thought up "let's take a cruise" are in charge <of it ... only then could someone mess up so simple a concept to bring <educational sessions to the largest audience. < <Clint Bradford <_______________________________________________ <Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! <Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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I don't disagree completely with Clint, that said, if you have cruised before you know that it can be as expensive ( Penthouse Suite on the top deck) or as inexpensive (inside stateroom on the lowest passenger deck) as you like. I've only been on one Carnival ship and it was out of Galveston, the next to last trip out before Hurricane Ike came ashore. I have cruised on another line and Carnival was ok, the only issue I has was personal I guess..and maybe it was more because it was Texas than the line...but watching a group of guys spitting tobacco juice on the carpet in one of the show lounges was not fun. Anyway....if you are going alone....and don't need a porthole or balcony, I'd suggest you see about what they call the Class 1A stateroom...they are good for single travelers but can hold 2 people (some ships are now fitted with cabins specifically for one person, Liberty is not so there is usually a surcharge for one person in a cabin vs. double). So if cost is a concern, there are ways to work around it. Remember....your cabin is mainly to sleep in, typically you won't spend a lot of time in it on a cruise so save your money on the room, you get everything the ship has to offer. The timing is bad for a single dad with a kid still in H.S. so I won't be there.
Smooth Sailing & 73,
John - AG9D
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 11:07 AM, R.T.Liddy k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
For comparison purposes, my wife and I have found the following: We usually go stay with relatives in Texas and Florida for the Winterfor several weeks at a time. To avoid getting sick of each other, wetake a week and give them/us a break. We have found that taking acruise is much cheaper than motels/meals/travel/entertainment. So,the idea of a Cruise/Symposium sounds very good. There are manyin the 3 and 4 day category that would be well-suited - IMHO.73, Bob K8BL From: Stephen E. Belter seb@wintek.com To: 'AMSAT BB' amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cruise with Amsat!
Clint,
Alan¹s comments are well stated. Let me add a little more information.
The proposal to hold the 2016 AMSAT Symposium on a cruise ship was assembled by Clayton, W5PFG. One of his major goals was to create a ³family friendly² venue. Where can we have a Symposium that non-ham members of the family can attend and have a good time?
You object to the cost of a cruise. The reality is that most cruises are similar in price to the cost of a hotel room (hotels with conference facilities and restaurants) *with* meals. Note that the Symposium is not a money-making operation and one goal is to breakeven financially.
Please note that the format of our Symposiums with published proceedings mimics that of academic conferences. This is important to the U.S. Government and helps us deal with ITAR regulations. Unfortunately, a virtual (online) conference does not meet their requirements.
I think Clayton¹s idea is a good one. Will attendance be up or down from recent Symposiums? I don¹t know, and we won¹t know until we try. I think it has a very good chance to be successful. AMSAT does a lot of experimenting with most of our activities. Every Symposium is an experiment.
In general, AMSAT Symposiums are organized by a local committee of volunteers. Dayton was organized by Steve Coy and volunteers from DARA. Baltimore was organized by Frank Bauer and volunteers from the Maryland and DC area.
In this case, Clayton stepped forward, did the investigation and leg-work, and assembled a proposal. Note that Clayton is an active satellite operator and an active rover. He is not an AMSAT board member or officer. He¹s just an AMSAT volunteer, a great guy, and a friend.
73, Steve N9IP
Steve Belter, seb@wintek.com
On 1/10/16, 6:59 AM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Alan" <amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org on behalf of wa4sca@gmail.com> wrote:
Clint,
You have found a personal niche in which you can function and provide a valuable service, but it has very narrow, limited perspectives and experiences. No harm in that, as long as you recognize it. Fortunately we have members with a wider range of skills, experience, and viewpoints in AMSAT who can understand and take advantage of the additional opportunities which you deride. AMSAT has many functions beyond publicity, and extensively uses telepresence to great effect and economy, but at least so far there is no substitute for periodic face time. Also, as hard as it may be to believe, some hams have interests outside of satellites and would relish a chance to combine a family friendly cruise with their hobby. My recommendation is to take a deep breath, get some details and balance, and see what plays out over the next few months.
I will not be attending due to a prior commitment, so my only concern is what Gulf grids they will activate?
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Clint Bradford <Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 10:14 PM <To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org <Subject: [amsat-bb] Cruise with Amsat! < <Now THERE'S a guaranteed manner in which to increase <attendance: add a cruise cost to air fare. < <You gotta be kidding. < <This makes your online pleas for money raising on behalf of AMSAT-NA <for satellite projects seem trivial and unnecessary: AMSAT must <be loaded if they think this is going to enhance their stature and <bank account. < <This makes me wonder what the true desire is of AMSAT-NA. If it <is, indeed, to "disseminate info about and build birds," then the <best method available is remote, live, videocasts from presenters. <That would cost the presenter NOTHING in transportation costs. <It would involve EVERY CONTINENT on the planet. And it would <allow the largest possible audiences to "attend." Minimal charge <for password access to whatever session one wanted to see ... or <a conference package fee ... allow that access to be shown to a <classroom or audience ... those fees are TOTAL PROFIT to AMSAT <(unless honorariums are paid to some presenters). < <Overhead costs to AMSAT-NA? Virtually nothing. Largest attendance <ever of any AMSAT show in history? Guaranteed. < <Unless the same minds who thought up "let's take a cruise" are in charge <of it ... only then could someone mess up so simple a concept to bring <educational sessions to the largest audience. < <Clint Bradford <_______________________________________________ <Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! <Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Thanks to Clayton, a non-board member, just a regular member like the rest of us who stepped up to the bat to have us try something new. I remember when amateur satellites were new to me. It was exciting and different - like this new venture. I am sure that, with all of the quantitative expertise on the board, AMSAT has evaluated the cost-benefits of this venture and it passed.
Great to try something new.
NZ2Z
Bob - Sent from my iPad
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From: John Spasojevich johnag9d@gmail.com Date: January 10, 2016 at 12:35:37 PM EST To: "R.T.Liddy" k8bl@ameritech.net Cc: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cruise with Amsat!
I don't disagree completely with Clint, that said, if you have cruised before you know that it can be as expensive ( Penthouse Suite on the top deck) or as inexpensive (inside stateroom on the lowest passenger deck) as you like. I've only been on one Carnival ship and it was out of Galveston, the next to last trip out before Hurricane Ike came ashore. I have cruised on another line and Carnival was ok, the only issue I has was personal I guess..and maybe it was more because it was Texas than the line...but watching a group of guys spitting tobacco juice on the carpet in one of the show lounges was not fun. Anyway....if you are going alone....and don't need a porthole or balcony, I'd suggest you see about what they call the Class 1A stateroom...they are good for single travelers but can hold 2 people (some ships are now fitted with cabins specifically for one person, Liberty is not so there is usually a surcharge for one person in a cabin vs. double). So if cost is a concern, there are ways to work around it. Remember....your cabin is mainly to sleep in, typically you won't spend a lot of time in it on a cruise so save your money on the room, you get everything the ship has to offer. The timing is bad for a single dad with a kid still in H.S. so I won't be there.
Smooth Sailing & 73,
John - AG9D
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 11:07 AM, R.T.Liddy k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
For comparison purposes, my wife and I have found the following: We usually go stay with relatives in Texas and Florida for the Winterfor several weeks at a time. To avoid getting sick of each other, wetake a week and give them/us a break. We have found that taking acruise is much cheaper than motels/meals/travel/entertainment. So,the idea of a Cruise/Symposium sounds very good. There are manyin the 3 and 4 day category that would be well-suited - IMHO.73, Bob K8BL From: Stephen E. Belter seb@wintek.com To: 'AMSAT BB' amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cruise with Amsat!
Clint,
Alan¹s comments are well stated. Let me add a little more information.
The proposal to hold the 2016 AMSAT Symposium on a cruise ship was assembled by Clayton, W5PFG. One of his major goals was to create a ³family friendly² venue. Where can we have a Symposium that non-ham members of the family can attend and have a good time?
You object to the cost of a cruise. The reality is that most cruises are similar in price to the cost of a hotel room (hotels with conference facilities and restaurants) *with* meals. Note that the Symposium is not a money-making operation and one goal is to breakeven financially.
Please note that the format of our Symposiums with published proceedings mimics that of academic conferences. This is important to the U.S. Government and helps us deal with ITAR regulations. Unfortunately, a virtual (online) conference does not meet their requirements.
I think Clayton¹s idea is a good one. Will attendance be up or down from recent Symposiums? I don¹t know, and we won¹t know until we try. I think it has a very good chance to be successful. AMSAT does a lot of experimenting with most of our activities. Every Symposium is an experiment.
In general, AMSAT Symposiums are organized by a local committee of volunteers. Dayton was organized by Steve Coy and volunteers from DARA. Baltimore was organized by Frank Bauer and volunteers from the Maryland and DC area.
In this case, Clayton stepped forward, did the investigation and leg-work, and assembled a proposal. Note that Clayton is an active satellite operator and an active rover. He is not an AMSAT board member or officer. He¹s just an AMSAT volunteer, a great guy, and a friend.
73, Steve N9IP
Steve Belter, seb@wintek.com
On 1/10/16, 6:59 AM, "AMSAT-BB on behalf of Alan" <amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org on behalf of wa4sca@gmail.com> wrote:
Clint,
You have found a personal niche in which you can function and provide a valuable service, but it has very narrow, limited perspectives and experiences. No harm in that, as long as you recognize it. Fortunately we have members with a wider range of skills, experience, and viewpoints in AMSAT who can understand and take advantage of the additional opportunities which you deride. AMSAT has many functions beyond publicity, and extensively uses telepresence to great effect and economy, but at least so far there is no substitute for periodic face time. Also, as hard as it may be to believe, some hams have interests outside of satellites and would relish a chance to combine a family friendly cruise with their hobby. My recommendation is to take a deep breath, get some details and balance, and see what plays out over the next few months.
I will not be attending due to a prior commitment, so my only concern is what Gulf grids they will activate?
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Clint Bradford <Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 10:14 PM <To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org <Subject: [amsat-bb] Cruise with Amsat! < <Now THERE'S a guaranteed manner in which to increase <attendance: add a cruise cost to air fare. < <You gotta be kidding. < <This makes your online pleas for money raising on behalf of AMSAT-NA <for satellite projects seem trivial and unnecessary: AMSAT must <be loaded if they think this is going to enhance their stature and <bank account. < <This makes me wonder what the true desire is of AMSAT-NA. If it <is, indeed, to "disseminate info about and build birds," then the <best method available is remote, live, videocasts from presenters. <That would cost the presenter NOTHING in transportation costs. <It would involve EVERY CONTINENT on the planet. And it would <allow the largest possible audiences to "attend." Minimal charge <for password access to whatever session one wanted to see ... or <a conference package fee ... allow that access to be shown to a <classroom or audience ... those fees are TOTAL PROFIT to AMSAT <(unless honorariums are paid to some presenters). < <Overhead costs to AMSAT-NA? Virtually nothing. Largest attendance <ever of any AMSAT show in history? Guaranteed. < <Unless the same minds who thought up "let's take a cruise" are in charge <of it ... only then could someone mess up so simple a concept to bring <educational sessions to the largest audience. < <Clint Bradford <_______________________________________________ <Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! <Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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On 1/9/16 11:14 PM, Clint Bradford wrote:
Overhead costs to AMSAT-NA? Virtually nothing. Largest attendance ever of any AMSAT show in history? Guaranteed.
Unless the same minds who thought up "let's take a cruise" are in charge of it ... only then could someone mess up so simple a concept to bring educational sessions to the largest audience.
Pulling off remote sessions like that have a very real and potentially large cost because it is far beyond the scope of GotoMeeting or Facetime. In order to not have it look like a high school television station newscast, you need to pay professionals who do this sort of thing for a living.
I do not disagree that making these sessions available to the widest audience possible is important, and that there are some benefits to leveraging the internet to do so. But it's not cheap.
Hi Clint. Sorry but I respectfully don't agree with your cruise opinion. I have not been an AMSAT member for more than 15 years. I have never been to a symposium. However we just booked the trip. We are so excited that this years event will be on a ship. In fact my wife even booked it before I got home from work today. One of our business vendors held a conference on a similar ship. Everyone who attended loved it.
Obviously since I have been out of the loop for so many years, I don't know about the organizations financial status. Wether they are loaded or not, I don't see the cruise effecting that.
In my opinion wether or not there is the same size of crowd, it will be a great experience that everyone will enjoy. In this case they just gained one person who hadn't been there before.
Have a great night, Chad/kg0mw
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Clint Bradford clintbradford@mac.com wrote:
Now THERE'S a guaranteed manner in which to increase attendance: add a cruise cost to air fare.
You gotta be kidding.
This makes your online pleas for money raising on behalf of AMSAT-NA for satellite projects seem trivial and unnecessary: AMSAT must be loaded if they think this is going to enhance their stature and bank account.
This makes me wonder what the true desire is of AMSAT-NA. If it is, indeed, to "disseminate info about and build birds," then the best method available is remote, live, videocasts from presenters. That would cost the presenter NOTHING in transportation costs. It would involve EVERY CONTINENT on the planet. And it would allow the largest possible audiences to "attend." Minimal charge for password access to whatever session one wanted to see ... or a conference package fee ... allow that access to be shown to a classroom or audience ... those fees are TOTAL PROFIT to AMSAT (unless honorariums are paid to some presenters).
Overhead costs to AMSAT-NA? Virtually nothing. Largest attendance ever of any AMSAT show in history? Guaranteed.
Unless the same minds who thought up "let's take a cruise" are in charge of it ... only then could someone mess up so simple a concept to bring educational sessions to the largest audience.
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