I hope they aren't wrong because they clearly don't understand how it works!!!
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052
Bob N4HY
How can you tell? They've got enough 10-gallon words in the Abstract to propel mountains...
Still, I've been wondering if we'll ever find a space propulsion mechanism that doesn't involve throwing parts of the spacecraft overboard.
Greg KO6TH
Robert McGwier wrote:
I hope they aren't wrong because they clearly don't understand how it works!!!
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052
Bob N4HY
Non-Newtonian reactionless drives have been a staple in science fiction, and the goal to make space travel truly practical. Probably the most famous was the "Dean Drive" which was a purely mechanical attempt. The thrust claimed has always turned out to be some quirk, usually obvious after the fact, in the measurement process. (Recall that the data showing faster than light particles at CERN was traced to a faulty cable connection.) I have no doubt that will turn out to be the case here as well. Some of the science blogs are already working through some of the possibilities.
Of course, I would like nothing better than to be proved wrong. A constant .05 g acceleration makes the solar system, in point of time, the size the earth was in the 16th century. (If I remember a late night bull session in graduate school correctly.)
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
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Our friends in DL have the perfect word for this: Wunschdenken (wishful thinking about an impossibility).
It may be time to start some new scientific/engineering publications -- The Journal of Premature Publication; The Journal of Retractions and Corrections.
k2ubc
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Alan wa4sca@gmail.com wrote:
Non-Newtonian reactionless drives have been a staple in science fiction, and the goal to make space travel truly practical. Probably the most famous was the "Dean Drive" which was a purely mechanical attempt. The thrust claimed has always turned out to be some quirk, usually obvious after the fact, in the measurement process. (Recall that the data showing faster than light particles at CERN was traced to a faulty cable connection.) I have no doubt that will turn out to be the case here as well. Some of the science blogs are already working through some of the possibilities.
Of course, I would like nothing better than to be proved wrong. A constant .05 g acceleration makes the solar system, in point of time, the size the earth was in the 16th century. (If I remember a late night bull session in graduate school correctly.)
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
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Hi, Marty!!
Suggest sticking to the Annals of Improbable Research (AIR). See: http://www.improbable.com. It’s all real, vetted, and celebrated by awarding of the IgNobel prizes every year. This year will be the 24th First Annual IgNobel Prize Ceremony and Lectures, See your AIRheads in action!! ;-)
73, art….. W4ART Arlington VA
On 5-Aug-2014, at 11:19 AM, Martin Davidoff mdavidoff42@gmail.com wrote:
Our friends in DL have the perfect word for this: Wunschdenken (wishful thinking about an impossibility).
It may be time to start some new scientific/engineering publications -- The Journal of Premature Publication; The Journal of Retractions and Corrections.
k2ubc
Haha! I am sure you and everyone else is right but I really want the puppeteer drive in my star ship in a few years!
Bob On Aug 5, 2014 1:09 PM, "Martin Davidoff" mdavidoff42@gmail.com wrote:
Our friends in DL have the perfect word for this: Wunschdenken (wishful thinking about an impossibility).
It may be time to start some new scientific/engineering publications -- The Journal of Premature Publication; The Journal of Retractions and Corrections.
k2ubc
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Alan wa4sca@gmail.com wrote:
Non-Newtonian reactionless drives have been a staple in science fiction, and the goal to make space travel truly practical. Probably the most famous was the "Dean Drive" which was a purely mechanical attempt. The thrust claimed has always turned out to be some quirk, usually obvious after the fact, in the measurement process. (Recall that the data showing faster than light particles at CERN was traced to a faulty cable connection.) I have no doubt that will turn out to be the case here as well. Some of the science blogs are already working through some of the possibilities.
Of course, I would like nothing better than to be proved wrong. A constant .05 g acceleration makes the solar system, in point of time, the size the earth was in the 16th century. (If I remember a late night bull session in graduate school correctly.)
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
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... puppeteer drive in my star ship in a few years
Unfortunately, the Inter-Galactic Traffic in Arms Regulations will prevent us from talking about this! ;-)
-- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM k9jkm@amsat.org
Bwahahaha
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 5:52 PM, JoAnne Maenpaa k9jkm@comcast.net wrote:
... puppeteer drive in my star ship in a few years
Unfortunately, the Inter-Galactic Traffic in Arms Regulations will prevent us from talking about this! ;-)
-- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM k9jkm@amsat.org
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