Re: Six Amateur Radio Satellites to Launch in March
I follow with interest the future launch of so called Amateur Radio Satellites where in fact Delfi-C3 is probably the only one to carry a true Amateur radio payload the others , so far as I am concerned, just happen to use frequencies in the Amateur bands. It looks good on paper when we can say look at all these satellites on Amateur frequencies but this begs the question what is the true definition of an AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITE??? Regards Robert G8ATE > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:15:54 +0000> From: m5aka@yahoo.co.uk> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org> Subject: [amsat-bb] Six Amateur Radio Satellites to Launch in March> > It looks like they'll be six Amateur Radio satellites launching in March> including Delfi-C3, see > > http://www.uk.amsat.org/ > > 73 Trevor M5AKA> > > > __________________________________________________________> Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com%3E > _______________________________________________> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _________________________________________________________________ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com
Hi Robert, G8ATE
I agree completely with you because following the World Administrative Radio Conference Geneva 1979 the definition of "Amateur-Satellite-Service" adopted as well by the IARU Region 1-2 and 3 is the following: ------------------------ NOC 3108 84ATA Spa2
3.35 Amateur-Satellite-Service:
A radiocommunication service using space stations on earth satellites for the same purposes as those of the Amateur Service. ------------------------ As far I understand an Amateur Radio Satellite should comply with the above definition and so at this time I hope only in P3E
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Turlington" rob_g8ate@hotmail.com To: "Trevor" m5aka@yahoo.co.uk; "Amsat Buleitin Board" amsat-bb@amsat.org Cc: "malcolm hall" malcolm.hall2@ntlworld.com; "John Heath" g7hia@btinternet.com; "Andy Thomas" andythomasmail@yahoo.co.uk; terry@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Six Amateur Radio Satellites to Launch in March
I follow with interest the future launch of so called Amateur Radio
Satellites where in fact Delfi-C3 is probably the only one to carry a true Amateur radio payload the others , so far as I am concerned, just happen to use frequencies in the Amateur bands. It looks good on paper when we can say look at all these satellites on Amateur frequencies but this begs the question what is the true definition of an AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITE??? Regards Robert G8ATE > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:15:54 +0000> From: m5aka@yahoo.co.uk> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org> Subject: [amsat-bb] Six Amateur Radio Satellites to Launch in March> > It looks like they'll be six Amateur Radio satellites launching in March> including Delfi-C3, see > > http://www.uk.amsat.org/ > > 73 Trevor M5AKA> > > > __________________________________________________________> Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com%3E > _______________________________________________> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions e!
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What is the "purpose" of the amateur service? FCC Part 97.1 defines is as ...
ยง97.1 Basis and purpose. The rules and regulations in this Part are designed to provide an amateur radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following principles:
(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.
(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.
(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communications and technical phases of the art.
(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.
(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.
Now, do these new satellites do that? Look carefully and I think you will find these new satellites do meet most of those purposes. We get exposure to students to encourage and expand the number of operators, the satellites are internationally developed and non commercial. They permit opportunities to advance the radio art and encourage skill advancement (even if it is just for digital operators). With a little imagination, I believe they meet them all. Just because the satellite does not meet a particular interest area does not mean it is not an amateur satellite.
Instead of complaining about what these satellites don't do, maybe getting in touch with the builders and explore ways to add features and capabilities given their limited space. These builders have a license and will be putting a satellite on orbit. Those are two big steps on the road to opportunity.
Kenneth - N5VHO (Part 97 source http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/a.html#1)
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of i8cvs Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:43 AM To: Robert Turlington; Trevor; Amsat Buleitin Board Cc: malcolm hall; John Heath; Andy Thomas; terry@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Six Amateur Radio Satellites to Launch in March
Hi Robert, G8ATE
I agree completely with you because following the World Administrative Radio Conference Geneva 1979 the definition of "Amateur-Satellite-Service" adopted as well by the IARU Region 1-2 and 3 is the following: ------------------------ NOC 3108 84ATA Spa2
3.35 Amateur-Satellite-Service:
A radiocommunication service using space stations on earth satellites for the same purposes as those of the Amateur Service. ------------------------ As far I understand an Amateur Radio Satellite should comply with the above definition and so at this time I hope only in P3E
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Turlington" rob_g8ate@hotmail.com To: "Trevor" m5aka@yahoo.co.uk; "Amsat Buleitin Board" amsat-bb@amsat.org Cc: "malcolm hall" malcolm.hall2@ntlworld.com; "John Heath" g7hia@btinternet.com; "Andy Thomas" andythomasmail@yahoo.co.uk; terry@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Six Amateur Radio Satellites to Launch in March
I follow with interest the future launch of so called Amateur Radio
Satellites where in fact Delfi-C3 is probably the only one to carry a true Amateur radio payload the others , so far as I am concerned, just happen to use frequencies in the Amateur bands. It looks good on paper when we can say look at all these satellites on Amateur frequencies but this begs the question what is the true definition of an AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITE??? Regards Robert G8ATE > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:15:54 +0000> From: m5aka@yahoo.co.uk> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org> Subject: [amsat-bb] Six Amateur Radio Satellites to Launch in March> > It looks like they'll be six Amateur Radio satellites launching in March> including Delfi-C3, see > > http://www.uk.amsat.org/ > > 73 Trevor M5AKA> > > > __________________________________________________________> Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com%3E > _______________________________________________> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions e!
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Paul Rinaldo's rule of Amateur Radio Progress:
Progress is made in Amateur Radio by letting energetic individuals move forward. Conversly, nothing in Amateur Radio is accomplished by complaining about other individual's projects. Simple summary: If you don't like their project, then go do or support your own choices. Get out of their way.
The service is where we are allowed to experiment as individuals. This means if you have an experiment, then do it. If someone else has an experiment you like, then contribute to it, support it, or get out of the way. It's the individuals that move forward and do something that makes Ham radio progress.
Conversly, Its all the naysayers, thought police, kibitzers, complainers, arm chair lawyers and couch potatos that hold much progress back. Not one cloud of their hot air will move anything forward. The only thing it does is make us all look like old fuds and many of the would-be progressives just throw in the towel and instead of a great hobby, they go get a real job instead.
So, again, Ham radio is an unbelievably diverse collection of intersts, modes, techniques, applications, projects, missions, activities, directions, places, groups, frequenceis, bands, devices, propagation, tests, events and experiments. Choose those you are interested in, jump in, contribute, move forward... Do not waste your time (and other's) trying to hold others back from their interests.
NOTHING IS EVER ACCOMPLISHED PROGRESSIVELY BY TRYING TO FORCE OTHERS INTO SPENDING THEIR TIME ON YOUR VIEW OF AMATEUR RADIO. The best you can do is find other people that actually do something and support them in a direction you want and hang on for the ride.
I call this Paul Rinaldo's rule of Amateur Radio, because I learned it back in the late 1970's or so when I was on the board of directors and Paul was president of AMRAD which was working on the AX.25 spec, and trying to develop the early East Coast Packet System. We all met frequently, and everyone had ideas of which way to go. It's the sentence that begins with "what they need to do is..." that Paul pointed out was pointless.
Or something like that. Over the years, in all the clubs and organizations of Amateur Radio, I find it the rule to live by. If you have an idea, do it. If someone else has an idea, either join it or support it. If it's a dumb idea, it will die, don't waste your time trying to assure its demise.
But complaining about others people's progress just makes no sense to me.
Bob, WB4APR
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