I'm looking into a different approach - USB extenders that use Cat-5 or better cables. For home use, Cat 5 is MUCH cheaper than decent coax, even if I have to replace it periodically from exposure or errant lawn mowers. And ZERO possibility of transmitting directly into it (probably still have to protect against 3rd harmonics when operating mode VU).
As an interim test, I used my usual LMR400 into the shack, then the dongle and a coil of about 50ft of cat 5 and the USB extenders. Seemed to work well receiving AO73 telem - no worse than dongle straight into the PC. Need to try it again with the dongle at the antenna. Goal would be a weather proof enclosure and as close as I can get the dongle to the antenna.
Bought the cable and extenders from Monoprice; don't recall the model.
This approach would work well, I think for portable ops, too. Maybe without extenders, just a long USB cable. I think USB 2.0 is rated to 10-15 ft without boosting the signal.
73 Steve KS1G
-----Original Message----- From: "Clayton Coleman" kayakfishtx@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:37 To: kb2m@arrl.net Cc: "AMSAT-BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] funcube dongle
Jeff,
Like Alan, I use a manual system to switch between the transceiver and the FCD. When I am receiving on the FCD, there is no transmitter connected to any feedlines for that band. I manually disconnect it from the radio and connect it directly to the FCD. Thus far, this technique has managed to dodge my incompetence and protect my precious dongle.
I have plans to incorporate relays at some point down the road.
73 Clayton W5PFG
On the subject of using ethernet UTP CAT 5/6 cable for making USB extenders...
I have a kind if experience on that, you can reach about 15-20m runs easily without losing connection to the usb dongle (even wifi dongles)
If you want to go for sure, don't use more than 12m... from there on is a challenge, I use on daily basis a run of 14m switching from RTL-SDR and a WIFI dongle, as always your mileage may vary.
The better way to cable the extender with UTP CAT 5/6 is this (my experience):
The UTP5/6 has 4 pairs of cable:
- Use one pair (two wires) for the GND - Use one pair (two wires) for the +5V - Use one pair for the data transfer, one wire for D+ and the other for D-
If your dongle get disconnected or errant behavior use the free pair to add one more wire to each GND and +5 volts lines. (more wires in parallel = less resistance = less voltage drop)
Put a little ferrite core (1 cm OD, 3mm H) at each end of the cable (just a pass trough) plus a 10nF and 10uF at the far end from the computer between the GND and +5V (10uF is electrolytic, watch out the polarity)
The ferrite will protect you a little from a nearby TX station (full duplex?)
With this setup I can run a wifi dongle at runs from 12, and some times I put the RTL-SDR there too...
Don't be tempted to put more uF on the far end 10uF is good, you can kill your USB port by putting something in the order of 3300 uF or more (Been there, done that, got my USB port killed)
Don't use this extension cable on accessory USB ports, use only the rear ports of your motherboard.
You will lose some bandwidth, My RTL dongle runs easily 2.8 Mhz on the PC and on the far end of the extension it only reach about 2.2 Mhz
Things to note: - UTP cat 6 is better - Shielded UTP is even better, the shield must be connected only on the PC side and not to the USB GND line, but to the PC chassis. - if not shielded cable, you may get a USB reset if you TX on HF with high power, but 2m 50W don't seem to harm on my case (if you forgot the ferrites you will be killed by 2m TX too)
I hope this can help, 73 from CO7WT.
El 11/02/15 a las 21:41, Stephan Greene escribió:
This approach would work well, I think for portable ops, too. Maybe without extenders, just a long USB cable. I think USB 2.0 is rated to 10-15 ft without boosting the signal.
There is software available for the RaspberryPi which will let you extend USB as far as you can run Ethernet. One USB port is free, more than that requires a license.
I have not tested it yet, but will use it to put a FCD connected to omni antennas on my tower as a monitor receiver. The tower is 350' from the house.
73, Jim wb4gcs@amsat.org
On 2/11/2015 11:50 PM, Pavel Milanes Costa wrote:
On the subject of using ethernet UTP CAT 5/6 cable for making USB extenders...
I have a kind if experience on that, you can reach about 15-20m runs easily without losing connection to the usb dongle (even wifi dongles)
If you want to go for sure, don't use more than 12m... from there on is a challenge, I use on daily basis a run of 14m switching from RTL-SDR and a WIFI dongle, as always your mileage may vary.
The better way to cable the extender with UTP CAT 5/6 is this (my experience):
The UTP5/6 has 4 pairs of cable:
- Use one pair (two wires) for the GND
- Use one pair (two wires) for the +5V
- Use one pair for the data transfer, one wire for D+ and the other
for D-
If your dongle get disconnected or errant behavior use the free pair to add one more wire to each GND and +5 volts lines. (more wires in parallel = less resistance = less voltage drop)
Put a little ferrite core (1 cm OD, 3mm H) at each end of the cable (just a pass trough) plus a 10nF and 10uF at the far end from the computer between the GND and +5V (10uF is electrolytic, watch out the polarity)
The ferrite will protect you a little from a nearby TX station (full duplex?)
With this setup I can run a wifi dongle at runs from 12, and some times I put the RTL-SDR there too...
Don't be tempted to put more uF on the far end 10uF is good, you can kill your USB port by putting something in the order of 3300 uF or more (Been there, done that, got my USB port killed)
Don't use this extension cable on accessory USB ports, use only the rear ports of your motherboard.
You will lose some bandwidth, My RTL dongle runs easily 2.8 Mhz on the PC and on the far end of the extension it only reach about 2.2 Mhz
Things to note:
- UTP cat 6 is better
- Shielded UTP is even better, the shield must be connected only on
the PC side and not to the USB GND line, but to the PC chassis.
- if not shielded cable, you may get a USB reset if you TX on HF with
high power, but 2m 50W don't seem to harm on my case (if you forgot the ferrites you will be killed by 2m TX too)
I hope this can help, 73 from CO7WT.
El 11/02/15 a las 21:41, Stephan Greene escribió:
This approach would work well, I think for portable ops, too. Maybe without extenders, just a long USB cable. I think USB 2.0 is rated to 10-15 ft without boosting the signal.
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