Hi Drew, KO4MA

In my opinion would be much better to donate 690 dollars to AMSAT-DL for P3E ! !

73" de

i8CVS Domenico

----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" [email protected] To: [email protected]; "Amsat-BB" [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:23 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 and FOX social media fundraising

Good Morning!

I'm proud to say that the combined ARISSat-1 and FOX fundraising effort has gathered 690 dollars over the last 24 hours! Donations have been received from all over the globe, both from inside, and outside, of normal AMSAT circles.

The real potential in these two campaigns is being able to reach out to those outside of the normal AMSAT circles, and allow them to quickly and painlessly donate via PayPal. Donations may be any size, and we have received anywhere from $10 to $250 from individual donors.

To make this campaign really successful, we need -your- help, whether you can donate or not. Please visit the links below and either "share" the Facebook link to your wall, or on the PayPal widget, click "Add to Site" and include the code on your website, blog, or even just your QRZ entry. Everyone on this list has at least one place they can post the widget, and help AMSAT raise money for ARISSat-1 and FOX.

The links are:

Facebook: http://bit.ly/c861N7

PayPal widget: http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/echo/CTNews.php or http://www.qrz.com/db/KO4MA

If your club or group sends out HTML based emails, or has a website, or a blog, please ask them to add this widget too!

73, Drew KO4MA AMSAT-NA VP Operations

On 11/15/2010 11:41 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:

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Hi Everyone,

I've set up a fundraiser on Facebook using Fundrazr and PayPal. If you have a Facebook or Twitter account, please visit http://bit.ly/c861N7 and use the share button to post to your own account. The $2000 dollar limit is far below what we need to raise, but is the max allowed by the program. I'm hoping I can create new ones as we exceed that amount.

I hope to soon have a PayPal donation widget that you can include on your own webpages, or anything html. When I get that working I'll post back here. The idea is to solicit support from those outside the normal AMSAT membership and circles.

Thanks for the support, and please help us pay for the costs incurred during ARISSat-1 construction, and get us off to a good start as we begin working on FOX!

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Andrew Glasbrenner schrieb:

On 11/18/2010 7:45 AM, i8cvs wrote:

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Hi Drew, KO4MA

In my opinion would be much better to donate 690 dollars to AMSAT-DL for P3E ! !

73" de

i8CVS Domenico

Well, feel free. I won't stop you.

73, Drew KO4MA

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I fully agree with Domenico. BTW there is no website or a video presentation known about the project FOX. Is this a "paper tiger" ?

If you want to donate for Phase-3E look at http://www.amsat-dl.org http://www.amsat-dl.org/p3e/donation-d.htm http://www.p3e-satellite.org/

And don't forget KiwiSat: http://www.kiwisat.org/funding.html

This are projects from HAMs for HAMs with Linear Transponders. Sorry folks, we have fairly enough FM repeaters in the orbit.

I fully support what Drew says here. AMSAT NA has been very supportive to all of AMSAT DLs projects. We have poured many thousands of dollars into p3e not to mention the efforts of our volunteers in the past. You are of course still free to support whatever projects you want to. You are also welcome to use the AMSAT BB and other services provided free by AMSAT-NA. You might consider cross joining AMSAT-NA as many of us U.S. Hams have joined other AMSAT organizations as a way of showing support.

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On Nov 18, 2010, at 12:30, Andrew Glasbrenner [email protected] wrote:

On 11/18/2010 12:07 PM, Thomas Frey wrote:

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I fully agree with Domenico. BTW there is no website or a video presentation known about the project FOX. Is this a "paper tiger" ?

http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/images/fck_images/2010_President_Annual_Repor... Slides 14 through 17

There were multiple presentations regarding FOX at the recent Symposium. Feel free to pick up a copy of the proceedings until they get posted on the website.

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This are projects from HAMs for HAMs with Linear Transponders.

So is ARISSat-1, along with a new robust telemetry system, and several SSTV cameras.

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Sorry folks, we have fairly enough FM repeaters in the orbit.

I'm sorry. I didn't realize that soliciting donations for an AMSAT-NA project on an AMSAT-NA list required your approval. You are free to support whatever project you like, but you are IMO crossing the line of good taste and manners attacking our project on our own email list. If I were an AMSAT-DL or -ZL officer, I'd be embarrassed to have you harassing an AMSAT-NA on their behalf. Personally I have donated to all of the above mentioned projects. I also voted as a Director of AMSAT to spend a large amount of money, a substantial percentage of what the FOX launch will cost, to keep AMSAT-DL's lab open to continue work on P3E. I also voted to spend an even larger amount of money on lawyers to try to find a way to allow AMSAT-NA volunteers to work on foreign projects without risking jail under ITAR.

73, Drew KO4MA

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Hi Trevor,

The current plan is to use the same frequency for the FM downlink and the telemetry beacon. The IHU will have sufficient memory capacity to hold at least a days worth of data so the beacon would be turned on once a day for a telemetry dump and then back to transponder mode.

And yes, we plan to use forward error correction on the beacon so that it will be bulletproof. It will likely be a different format than the one used on ARISSat-1 since we want a higher bit rate and Fox will be passive magnetic stabilized (like AO-51) so it will not suffer from tumble fading like ARISSat might and the interleave length does not need to be as long.

Thanks for your interest! Tony AA2TX ---

At 03:35 PM 11/18/2010, Trevor . wrote:

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http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/images/fck_images/2010_President_Annual_Repor...

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Slides 14 through 17

Hi Drew,

Really glad to see that AMSAT-NA is going ahead with the FOX project.

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From my point of view potentially the valuable part of FOX is the

deployable Solar Panels.

This has never been done on a 1U CubeSat and should significantly increase the power available. A space proven system to deploy panels on a 1U sat will benefit not just AMSAT-NA for future projects but the entire CubeSat community.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to get to the symposium so perhaps you could clarify one of the slides for me.

Slide 16 mentions both a U/V FM transpoder and a V telemetry beacon. Is the telemetry beacon on a seperate frequency from the transponder so both can run at the same time ? Also is the beacon using the robust narrow band, high efficiently, BPSK system developed for ARISSat-1 ?

I look forward to the launch of ARISSat-1 in the New Year with its first ever space deployment of a SDX linear transponder, with that and the Slow Scan TV, its sure to be very popular.

73 Trevor M5AKA

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Andrew Glasbrenner schrieb:

On 11/18/2010 12:07 PM, Thomas Frey wrote:

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I fully agree with Domenico. BTW there is no website or a video presentation known about the project FOX. Is this a "paper tiger" ?

http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/images/fck_images/2010_President_Annual_Repor... Slides 14 through 17

There were multiple presentations regarding FOX at the recent Symposium. Feel free to pick up a copy of the proceedings until they get posted on the website.

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This are projects from HAMs for HAMs with Linear Transponders.

So is ARISSat-1, along with a new robust telemetry system, and several SSTV cameras.

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Sorry folks, we have fairly enough FM repeaters in the orbit.

I'm sorry. I didn't realize that soliciting donations for an AMSAT-NA project on an AMSAT-NA list required your approval. You are free to support whatever project you like, but you are IMO crossing the line of good taste and manners attacking our project on our own email list. If I were an AMSAT-DL or -ZL officer, I'd be embarrassed to have you harassing an AMSAT-NA on their behalf. Personally I have donated to all of the above mentioned projects. I also voted as a Director of AMSAT to spend a large amount of money, a substantial percentage of what the FOX launch will cost, to keep AMSAT-DL's lab open to continue work on P3E. I also voted to spend an even larger amount of money on lawyers to try to find a way to allow AMSAT-NA volunteers to work on foreign projects without risking jail under ITAR.

73, Drew KO4MA

Dear Drew

It was not my purpose to attack your funding campaign, my apologies. It was my purpose to reflect the meanings about FM satellites made from HAMs they knows, how a QSO operates. I think you knows that a single FM channel works only for 2 persons at the same time. I don't have to explain you amateur radio, we both are civilized amateurs who want to make a QSO and don't want to stump down our friends.

I wish you and AMSAT-NA good luck for all coming projects, also for ARISSat with a Linear Transponder of course.

Forgive me if i'm asking a question which has been asked before, I don't seem to see any reference to it on amsat-bb or anywhere else online.

ARISSat-1 is due to last *around *6 months, after which time the batteries will become exhausted and it will deorbit. Does the time in space (and research obviously, it's not just a repeater) really justify the money spent?

As a percentage, how much cheaper was it to build and launch than Fox (which I assume will have a longer lifespan) will be?

I'm sure there are lots of factors which make ARISSat-1 viable that I am overlooking.

Just wondering

Pete MI3EPN

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner < [email protected]> wrote:

I'm proud to announce that the Facebook and PayPal widget campaign has raised $1,000 over the last 48 hours! This is a great first step towards replenishing the funds used in the construction of ARISSat-1, and beginning the design and construction of AMSAT-FOX. Thank you to those who posted the fundraiser to their own pages, and to those who donated.

Did you know:

ARISSat-1 will broadcast live slow scan pictures from space? All that will be needed to receive these pictures is a 2 meter FM receiver and a soundcard equipped computer.

ARISSat-1 has a Mode U/V (B) linear transponder using SDR technology as a testbed for future transponder missions.

ARISSat-1 uses a new robust telemetry format including FEC to counteract signal losses during long fades.

ARISSat-1 is set to deploy early in 2011, just months away.

Our PayPal widget is now on the front page of amsat.org (thank you JoAnne!), where you can donate and download the widget for your own webpage or blog, and our Facebook application is available at http://bit.ly/c861N7 . With these two fundraising tools, it is as important to share and post the widgets on your own page as it is to actually donate. To succeed we must reach those amateurs and space enthusiasts not in the normal AMSAT circles. Please visit and share today, to help us fund these two projects. Thank you for all your support!

73, Drew KO4MA

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