Yes, let’s end this discussion or move it off the board.

I’m not a fan of heavy moderation, but off-topic discussions like this are rarely productive

73,

Paul Stoetzer, N8HM Executive Vice President AMSAT

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 20:16 Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu wrote:

Its bad to continue this here...

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No, the subject is not for here, but also, not for a 'hit and run' attack on fossil fuel vehicles... Nonsense, Bob. FACTS:

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/are-electric-car-subsidies-j ust-giveaways-to-the-wealthy/ https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/are-electric-car-subsidies-just-giveaways-to-the-wealthy/

The facts are that we tax payers pay $20 billion dollars a year for Gas and Oil subsidies. Divide that by the number of gas vehicles sold per year and you get $3300 subsidy per gas car. The article you quote ignores that fact and uses flawed one sided comparisons throughout.

If the government does not incentivize us to move away from high emission cars, who will?

Here are a few truths ignored by that oil-company wall-street biased article:

• 53% of all EV's in 2018 now cost less (w incentives) than the average

gas car ($35k)

• 50% of all plugins now have ranges over 350 miles
• EV's sales are growing by 50 to 100% a year. Gas car sales are falling

since mid 2018

• Thank heavens that those who can afford them are buying them.
• Or, Does the author want poor people to buy EV's so others can keep

driving gas?

• EVs help everyone to breathe cleaner air. What are others doing for

clean air?

• There are 6 EV pickups in development (higher torque, towing, and

worksite 240 VAC)

• There is an EV model for almost everyone except the daily road warrior.
• EV's can drive the American Average 40 mi/day from just 12 solar panels

only!

It's an exciting time. I cant believe I have long enough to see solar half the cost of utilities and EV's that are now better, faster, cleaner and cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to maintain than the average gas car. And it makes a great power source for Ham radio (except for the RFI)...

Bob

-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert Bruninga Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Tesla Field Day mode (taxpayers)

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True, Zach....the difference is, the taxpayers don't pay for your setup!!

An apparent complaint about clean air EV incentives, while ignoring the petroleum subsidies of about $3300 per dirty-air gas car. Which is now about the same as the $3750 Tesla incentive. But, the Tesla incentive will decrease by half in the next six months and then zero. While the dirty gas car continues to get subsidized by tax payers for decades...

We should end this thread as off topic, but need to correct any misinformation. Bob

-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Zach Metzinger Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Tesla Field Day mode

On 2/20/19 1:28 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:

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Very nice! Wish I could afford [a Tesla]...

A Chevy Volt can run a Field Day (or a house under minimum power) for about 8 hours before it has to start the engine to recharge the battery. These 3 year-old off-lease Volts go for only about $12k.

Seems a bit overkill when a marine deep-cycle and a solar panel will run you about $500, no? ;-)

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