... you can't ... shouldn't ... don't go out any buy anything just for this ...
Heavy sigh.
It's just that this has been such a good friend ...
Guess I picked the wrong week to stop drinking Pina Coladas.
Long live AO-51. I have a 67 degree elevation pass coming up in 30 mins ...
Clint, K6LCS
Perhaps the result will be more activity on AO-7, VO-52, FO-29 using SSB? Looks like I am getting my satellite array working just in time to miss AO-51? Be nice to see HO-68 again.
Hearing of Fox, when is it planned for orbit? P3E? any other lurkers about jump up into space? oooh well,there is always Oscar-Zero ;-)
73, Ed
At 01:50 PM 5/6/2011, Clint Bradford wrote:
... you can't ... shouldn't ... don't go out any buy anything
just for this ...
Heavy sigh.
It's just that this has been such a good friend ...
Guess I picked the wrong week to stop drinking Pina Coladas.
Long live AO-51. I have a 67 degree elevation pass coming up in 30 mins ...
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73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 ====================================== BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 50-1.1kW?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-testing*, 3400-? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@hotmail.com ======================================
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R. Cole" kl7uw@acsalaska.net To: "Clint Bradford" clintbradford@mac.com; "AMSAT BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 1:38 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Data
Perhaps the result will be more activity on AO-7, VO-52, FO-29 using SSB? Looks like I am getting my satellite array working just in time to miss AO-51? Be nice to see HO-68 again.
Hearing of Fox, when is it planned for orbit? P3E? any other lurkers about jump up into space? oooh well,there is always Oscar-Zero
;-)
73, Ed
Hi Ed, KL7UW
I don't think that after the trouble on AO-51 there will be more activity on AO-7, VO-52 , and FO-29 using CW and SSB because since 2004 when AO-51 was operational a lot of Hams invested a lot of money to buy FM hend held equipments, Arrow antennas and ELK antennas to work grids and make FM satellite demonstrations as well to work the ISS showing satellite operation in the schools so that actually the most part of them is not equipped for linear transponders.
If AO-51 will be in trouble for a long time and if a similar satellite will not replace it than a lot of money all around the world has been invested in FM equipment for very small.
For the FM satellite users the actual situation with AO-51 out of service is similar to our actual SSB and CW situation after the death of AO40 about 8 years ago because actually we have only three linear satellites available after having invested a lot of money for SSB and CW equipments and antennas for 144 -435-1268-2400 MHz and 24 GHz
By the way since I am equipped for linear transponders I am pulling for P3E because this satellite is almost completely built in the University of Marburg waiting for a launch opportunity in the future even if we don't know when so that in the mean time I work VO-52, FO-29 and AO-7
The situation for the linear satellite users is very bad as well because HO-68 was only activated for a limited numbar of orbits that were not very suitable for most locations and actually it is not scheduled for us by Alan Kung.
I don't have any information about the Fox project but I remember that few years ago in 2004 AMSAT-NA had a project for the EAGLE satellite in HEO orbit
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/eagle/Eagle_Fall_2004.php
but apparently it seems that this project has been abandoned........Sorry !
You are right because there is always Oscar-Zero but actually EME is very different from that EME of the early years 1970 so that personally I found not too much challenge to work EME in digital mode.
Ed , It is a real shame! I wanted a HEO so bad! (American slang - hi). Take care my friend and God Bless
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
Clint,
AO-51 has been in many ways like a faithful old dog. Almost always there, and one you can trust with the kids. Every now and then it runs off for a few days, starts yapping and bothers the neighbors, or makes a mess on the rug. Still, just when you start to get annoyed, it gives you a big, wet kiss and all is forgiven. Sadly Dog Years and Satellite Years are about the same, and AO-51 is getting along. Others have lived longer, such as SO-50, and of course the magical AO-7, but few have given so much pleasure to so many with such simple equipment. Heck, even the critics have enjoyed grousing about "Gridsats." I know I have. ;)
When we finally lose an old dog, we mourn, but eventually we find a frisky new furry friend whom we learn to love, and eventually regard their quirks with affection, if not exactly delight. So it is with satellites. The Fox Project is getting into high gear, with a laundry list of lessons learned going into the engineering blender. Much like laws and sausage, the process is messy, but out will come a new, challenging satellite. We even have a new Fox PayPal contribution button on the AMSAT Fox page for you to exercise. ;) So lets remember AO-51 with affection, but look forward to the future. There is room there for LEO, MEO, HEO, and GSO.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Clint Bradford Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:50 PM To: AMSAT BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Data
... you can't ... shouldn't ... don't go out any buy anything just for
this ...
Heavy sigh.
It's just that this has been such a good friend ...
Guess I picked the wrong week to stop drinking Pina Coladas.
Long live AO-51. I have a 67 degree elevation pass coming up in 30 mins ...
Clint, K6LCS _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Fortunately AO27 is still there when you need it, and has been around for longer and is still doing nicely. SO67 is nice also when it is turned on over your area, so there are still FM options.
73s John AA5JG
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan P. Biddle" APBIDDLE@UNITED.NET To: "'Clint Bradford'" clintbradford@mac.com; "'AMSAT BB'" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51, on old friend.
Clint,
AO-51 has been in many ways like a faithful old dog. Almost always there, and one you can trust with the kids. Every now and then it runs off for a few days, starts yapping and bothers the neighbors, or makes a mess on the rug. Still, just when you start to get annoyed, it gives you a big, wet kiss and all is forgiven. Sadly Dog Years and Satellite Years are about the same, and AO-51 is getting along. Others have lived longer, such as SO-50, and of course the magical AO-7, but few have given so much pleasure to so many with such simple equipment. Heck, even the critics have enjoyed grousing about "Gridsats." I know I have. ;)
When we finally lose an old dog, we mourn, but eventually we find a frisky new furry friend whom we learn to love, and eventually regard their quirks with affection, if not exactly delight. So it is with satellites. The Fox Project is getting into high gear, with a laundry list of lessons learned going into the engineering blender. Much like laws and sausage, the process is messy, but out will come a new, challenging satellite. We even have a new Fox PayPal contribution button on the AMSAT Fox page for you to exercise. ;) So lets remember AO-51 with affection, but look forward to the future. There is room there for LEO, MEO, HEO, and GSO.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Clint Bradford Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:50 PM To: AMSAT BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Data
... you can't ... shouldn't ... don't go out any buy anything just for
this ...
Heavy sigh.
It's just that this has been such a good friend ...
Guess I picked the wrong week to stop drinking Pina Coladas.
Long live AO-51. I have a 67 degree elevation pass coming up in 30 mins ...
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And SO50 - it may get a little cantankerous, but for the most part it is very easy to work.
Zack KD8KSN
-----Original Message----- From: John Geiger Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 9:28 AM To: APBIDDLE@mailaps.org ; 'Clint Bradford' ; 'AMSAT BB' Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51, on old friend.
Fortunately AO27 is still there when you need it, and has been around for longer and is still doing nicely. SO67 is nice also when it is turned on over your area, so there are still FM options.
73s John AA5JG
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan P. Biddle" APBIDDLE@UNITED.NET To: "'Clint Bradford'" clintbradford@mac.com; "'AMSAT BB'" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51, on old friend.
Clint,
AO-51 has been in many ways like a faithful old dog. Almost always there, and one you can trust with the kids. Every now and then it runs off for a few days, starts yapping and bothers the neighbors, or makes a mess on the rug. Still, just when you start to get annoyed, it gives you a big, wet kiss and all is forgiven. Sadly Dog Years and Satellite Years are about the same, and AO-51 is getting along. Others have lived longer, such as SO-50, and of course the magical AO-7, but few have given so much pleasure to so many with such simple equipment. Heck, even the critics have enjoyed grousing about "Gridsats." I know I have. ;)
When we finally lose an old dog, we mourn, but eventually we find a frisky new furry friend whom we learn to love, and eventually regard their quirks with affection, if not exactly delight. So it is with satellites. The Fox Project is getting into high gear, with a laundry list of lessons learned going into the engineering blender. Much like laws and sausage, the process is messy, but out will come a new, challenging satellite. We even have a new Fox PayPal contribution button on the AMSAT Fox page for you to exercise. ;) So lets remember AO-51 with affection, but look forward to the future. There is room there for LEO, MEO, HEO, and GSO.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Clint Bradford Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:50 PM To: AMSAT BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Data
... you can't ... shouldn't ... don't go out any buy anything just for
this ...
Heavy sigh.
It's just that this has been such a good friend ...
Guess I picked the wrong week to stop drinking Pina Coladas.
Long live AO-51. I have a 67 degree elevation pass coming up in 30 mins ...
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yes AO-27 Work !!! And Not Work in South America :(
Raul Romero 9-7190753 ce3soc@gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Geiger" aa5jg@fidmail.com To: APBIDDLE@mailaps.org; "'Clint Bradford'" clintbradford@mac.com; "'AMSAT BB'" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 9:28 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51, on old friend.
Fortunately AO27 is still there when you need it, and has been around for longer and is still doing nicely. SO67 is nice also when it is turned on over your area, so there are still FM options.
73s John AA5JG
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan P. Biddle" APBIDDLE@UNITED.NET To: "'Clint Bradford'" clintbradford@mac.com; "'AMSAT BB'" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51, on old friend.
Clint,
AO-51 has been in many ways like a faithful old dog. Almost always there, and one you can trust with the kids. Every now and then it runs off for a few days, starts yapping and bothers the neighbors, or makes a mess on the rug. Still, just when you start to get annoyed, it gives you a big, wet kiss and all is forgiven. Sadly Dog Years and Satellite Years are about the same, and AO-51 is getting along. Others have lived longer, such as SO-50, and of course the magical AO-7, but few have given so much pleasure to so many with such simple equipment. Heck, even the critics have enjoyed grousing about "Gridsats." I know I have. ;)
When we finally lose an old dog, we mourn, but eventually we find a frisky new furry friend whom we learn to love, and eventually regard their quirks with affection, if not exactly delight. So it is with satellites. The Fox Project is getting into high gear, with a laundry list of lessons learned going into the engineering blender. Much like laws and sausage, the process is messy, but out will come a new, challenging satellite. We even have a new Fox PayPal contribution button on the AMSAT Fox page for you to exercise. ;) So lets remember AO-51 with affection, but look forward to the future. There is room there for LEO, MEO, HEO, and GSO.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Clint Bradford Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:50 PM To: AMSAT BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Data
... you can't ... shouldn't ... don't go out any buy anything just for
this ...
Heavy sigh.
It's just that this has been such a good friend ...
Guess I picked the wrong week to stop drinking Pina Coladas.
Long live AO-51. I have a 67 degree elevation pass coming up in 30 mins ...
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In the past...like way past...didn't AMSAT keep a satellite "alive" by positioning a BAUDOT RTTY loop in Canada to fire up the satellite for the American continents, at least for declining passes?
Of course the reset code may have been much simpler then, but computers make automatic timing and response much easier now.
The further north the better for declining passes around the world....
Of course the same could be said for ascending passes from southern "pole" type areas.
Roger WA1KAT
On 5/7/2011 9:07 AM, Alan P. Biddle wrote:
Clint,
AO-51 has been in many ways like a faithful old dog. Almost always there, and one you can trust with the kids. Every now and then it runs off for a few days, starts yapping and bothers the neighbors, or makes a mess on the rug. Still, just when you start to get annoyed, it gives you a big, wet kiss and all is forgiven. Sadly Dog Years and Satellite Years are about the same, and AO-51 is getting along.
On 5/8/2011 9:29 PM, Roger Kolakowski wrote:
In the past...like way past...didn't AMSAT keep a satellite "alive" by positioning a BAUDOT RTTY loop in Canada to fire up the satellite for the American continents, at least for declining passes?
Of course the reset code may have been much simpler then, but computers make automatic timing and response much easier now.
The further north the better for declining passes around the world....
Of course the same could be said for ascending passes from southern "pole" type areas.
Roger WA1KAT
We are working on this right now. There are six commands that have to be given in sequence to make this work, and for the time being, one at the end of a pass. It's important to shut things down to keep from damaging the batteries even further in eclipse. There may be a small chance for a brief recovery in the fall of this year, and we don't want to endanger that by further harm to the batteries.
In the meantime, listen to 435.150 during the afternoon passes over the Eastern US, especially on weekends and holidays. If you hear voices, the repeater should be available for use with a 145.880 uplink. If you don't hear anything, don't transmit. This is IMPORTANT: There are no promises or predictions of when we will get the chance to run the repeater. It is on an 'as available' basis. Please don't e-mail asking when it will be on, unless it's for a very, very special event. If I know in advance, I'll drop a note to here or to the AMSAT twitter account. That being said, this afternoon is looking good.
73, Drew KO4MA AMSAT-NA VP Operations
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Zachary Beougher