I have been informed I'm on moderated status for a "personal attack" so it will be interesting to see if this gets through. I feel I just spoke the known truth but the moderator disagrees so I will play by his rules. At any rate, this bb has been full of "personal attacks" lately both outright and veiled and unfortunately I see it continues with sniping and snide remarks. It's already established that I'm not currently a member of AMSAT and have my reasons why, but I would like to be a member again if I see positive change. You can freely disregard my opinion if you like but I implore all of you to cast your votes wisely and not be influenced by the decidedly personal vendettas of a few here. AMSAT is stagnant and needs fresh direction. Many are like me "on the outside looking in" and very interested to see where you choose to take the future of this organization. Thanks for your time.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
Bravo! To the moderators.
Ev, W2EV
Was it because of your "huckster" comment?
I imagine the moderators (Mr. Stoetzer? Mr. Bankston?),have already applied the Acceptable Use Policy and AMSAT Ambassador Code of Conduct to Clint Bradford for making accusations against two AMSAT members on that same thread without providing evidence.
73 Fernando KF7R
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 9:02 AM Michael Tondee via AMSAT-BB < [email protected]> wrote:
I have been informed I'm on moderated status for a "personal attack" so it will be interesting to see if this gets through. I feel I just spoke the known truth but the moderator disagrees so I will play by his rules. At any rate, this bb has been full of "personal attacks" lately both outright and veiled and unfortunately I see it continues with sniping and snide remarks. It's already established that I'm not currently a member of AMSAT and have my reasons why, but I would like to be a member again if I see positive change. You can freely disregard my opinion if you like but I implore all of you to cast your votes wisely and not be influenced by the decidedly personal vendettas of a few here. AMSAT is stagnant and needs fresh direction. Many are like me "on the outside looking in" and very interested to see where you choose to take the future of this organization. Thanks for your time.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
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On Friday, July 17, 2020, 01:53:57 PM EDT, Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB [email protected] wrote:
Was it because of your "huckster" comment?
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It is best to not imagine. Avoid making up reasons. It is best to know that moderators will step in and act when they think it is in the best interests of the list. List members do not need to agree or disagree with their decision.
"It is best to not imagine. Avoid making up reasons. It is best to know that moderators will step in and act when they think it is in the best interests of the list. List members do not need to agree or disagree with their decision."
Wow, I'm glad this is only an internet bulletin board and not a government!
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"It is best to not imagine. Avoid making up reasons. It is best to know that moderators will step in and act when they think it is in the best interests of the list. List members do not need to agree or disagree with their decision."
Wow, I'm glad this is only an internet bulletin board and not a government!
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Exactly. This is not a government. It is an internet bulletin board system with a specific purpose that is known (and expected) to be moderated when its custodian believes message moderation is needed.
There is nothing wrong with being polite. There is much wrong with not being polite.
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB [email protected] wrote:
There is nothing wrong with being polite. There is much wrong with not being polite.
Yes. But that's not the argument. You rendered it as if the moderators would step in and act somewhat opaquely - the members need not agree. The reality is that they should, and probably will, act according to published rules which we are all aware of. Like a government, and as imperfectly.
There is nothing wrong with being polite. There is much wrong with not being polite.
Yes. But that's not the argument. You rendered it as if the moderators would step in and act somewhat opaquely - the members need not agree. The reality is that they should, and probably will, act according to published rules which we are all aware of. Like a government, and as imperfectly. -------------------------------------------------------------------
There is no argument unless you are trying to pick one. I render nothing on behalf of the moderators. I speak only to the issue of civility as guests in their "house".
In your house, others are expected to be polite and abide by the "rules of your house". Suppose you don't utter curses in your home. Then, a guest did. You may ignore it at first thinking it was a 'slip', but after a while curses started flowing. When you call them out, they reply with "Show me where cursing is forbidden in your acceptable guest policy". Absurd, right?
We are all guests here. The moderators will (and should) step in and moderate anyone they feel (yes, as imperfect humans) is endangering the health of the list. The moderators are under no obligation to explain themselves to others. It is their house.
I don't have a problem with enforcing the established rules. I do have a problem with arbitrarily enforcing those rules.
I do agree that politeness takes less effort than not being polite.
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 12:08 PM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB [email protected] wrote:
In reply to:
"It is best to not imagine. Avoid making up reasons. It is best to know that moderators will step in and act when they think it is in the best interests of the list. List members do not need to agree or disagree with their decision."
Wow, I'm glad this is only an internet bulletin board and not a government!
Exactly. This is not a government. It is an internet bulletin board system with a specific purpose that is known (and expected) to be moderated when its custodian believes message moderation is needed.
There is nothing wrong with being polite. There is much wrong with not being polite.
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There is absolutely no doubt that *people* - not just one person - on this list have behaved abusively to each other or even to entire classes of people. I have offered some of them this advice: "When you are in a fight with an idiot, nobody can tell which person the idiot is." And I have suggested that they take the high road next time.
About all we can do is go forward with better behavior. Endless hashing out of this will not help when, as far as I can tell, none of the parties look that good if you go over their past utterances. Hey, I've been there too.
Thanks
Bruce
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:53 AM Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB < [email protected]> wrote:
Was it because of your "huckster" comment?
I imagine the moderators (Mr. Stoetzer? Mr. Bankston?),have already applied the Acceptable Use Policy and AMSAT Ambassador Code of Conduct to Clint Bradford for making accusations against two AMSAT members on that same thread without providing evidence.
73 Fernando KF7R
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 9:02 AM Michael Tondee via AMSAT-BB < [email protected]> wrote:
I have been informed I'm on moderated status for a "personal attack" so it will be interesting to see if this gets through. I feel I just spoke the known truth but the moderator disagrees so I will play by his rules. At any rate, this bb has been full of "personal attacks" lately both outright and veiled and unfortunately I see it continues with sniping and snide remarks. It's already established that I'm not currently a member of AMSAT and have my reasons why, but I would like to be a member again if I see positive change. You can freely disregard my opinion if you like but I implore all of you to cast your votes wisely and not be influenced by the decidedly personal vendettas of a few here. AMSAT is stagnant and needs fresh direction. Many are like me "on the outside looking in" and very interested to see where you choose to take the future of this organization. Thanks for your time.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
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