I've heard conflicting things, so I'd like to see what the consensus is here.
Since my rig is mounted in my car, I've been told I should say "mobile" when ever I attempt a QSO. Some of the reasoning is that others will understand my "limitations" and try to work me. On occasion, this seems to have been the case.
Others have told me that I should only use "mobile" when the vehicle is actually in motion.
What say you all?
73, Kent K5KNT AMSAT #36765 ARRL
sitting still is still mobile 73 Bob W7LRD
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From: Kent Frazier
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Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:41:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] "Mobile" Operation
I've heard conflicting things, so I'd like to see what the consensus is
here.
Since my rig is mounted in my car, I've been told I should say "mobile" when
ever I attempt a QSO. Some of the reasoning is that others will understand
my "limitations" and try to work me. On occasion, this seems to have been
the case.
Others have told me that I should only use "mobile" when the vehicle is
actually in motion.
What say you all?
73, Kent K5KNT
AMSAT #36765
ARRL
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Sitting still isn't mobile if you're parked.
w7lrd@comcast.net wrote:
sitting still is still mobile 73 Bob W7LRD
----- Original Message -----
From: Kent Frazier
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Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:41:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] "Mobile" Operation
I've heard conflicting things, so I'd like to see what the consensus is
here.
Since my rig is mounted in my car, I've been told I should say "mobile" when
ever I attempt a QSO. Some of the reasoning is that others will understand
my "limitations" and try to work me. On occasion, this seems to have been
the case.
Others have told me that I should only use "mobile" when the vehicle is
actually in motion.
What say you all?
73, Kent K5KNT
AMSAT #36765
ARRL
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IMHO, it depends on the antennas- if you have stop and set them up, and then take them back down again before you move away, then you're portable. If you can move with those antennas, even just across a parking lot, you're mobile.
73, doug
My wife doesn't believe I'm mobile when I'm sitting still <smile>
73 de Tim, K4SHF
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sitting still is still mobile 73 Bob W7LRD
----- Original Message -----
From: Kent Frazier
To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org
Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:41:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [amsat-bb] "Mobile" Operation
I've heard conflicting things, so I'd like to see what the consensus is
here.
Since my rig is mounted in my car, I've been told I should say "mobile" when
ever I attempt a QSO. Some of the reasoning is that others will understand
my "limitations" and try to work me. On occasion, this seems to have been
the case.
Others have told me that I should only use "mobile" when the vehicle is
actually in motion.
What say you all?
73, Kent K5KNT
AMSAT #36765
ARRL
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I have always taken the stance that if you are operating in a vehicle (moving or not), you are "mobile", if you are on foot, then "portable".
I am sure that someone will question the meaning of the word "mobile". My view is that it is short for "auto-mobile", not "mobile" by walking around some place!
Just my half a euro's worth!
Here's the relevent bits from the UK (and hence CEPT) license. As the FCC doesn't define mobile then it's up to you what you do on their teritory.
Location --------
1(10) "Station" means the station of the Licensee at the Main Station Address, a Temporary Location or while Mobile or Maritime Mobile, as the case may be.
1(11) Subject to clause 11, the Licensee shall operate the Station only:
(a) at the Main Station Address ("Main Station Address" means the main station address of the Licensee set forth in the Validation Document); (b) at a Temporary Location ("Temporary Location" means a location, other than the Main Station Address, and in a fixed position); (c) while Mobile ("Mobile" means located in any vehicle, as a pedestrian or on any Vessel in Inland Waters); or (d) while Maritime Mobile ("Maritime Mobile" means located on any Vessel At Sea).
Identification -------------- 7(3) At a Temporary Location, the Licensee shall:
(a) use the suffix "/P" with his call sign and give the location of the Station every 30 minutes to an accuracy of at least 5km by a generally used identifier.
7(4) When Mobile, the Licensee shall use the suffix "/M" and when Maritime Mobile, the suffix "/MM".
David - KG4ZLB wrote:
I have always taken the stance that if you are operating in a vehicle (moving or not), you are "mobile", if you are on foot, then "portable".
I am sure that someone will question the meaning of the word "mobile". My view is that it is short for "auto-mobile", not "mobile" by walking around some place!
Just my half a euro's worth!
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Interesting.
For my own purposes if I operate in my vehicle I sign "/m", if I am outside with an Arrow and my h/t, I sign "/p" - that's the way I was taught many years ago, there is no ambiguity and I don't think you can go too far wrong with that!
73
Lets see, guess there are three major ways to operate:
1. Stationary: Where you are using equipment and antenna systems that are fixed and could not be able to go mobile or portable very easy.
2. Mobile: When the equipment is mounted and operated while installed in a piece of equipment that is designed to be mobile and except for short stops (red light) is moving. This could be foot mobile, bike mobile, ATV mobile, horse back mobile, motorcycle mobile, or vehicle mobile.
3. Portable: Where you take your equipment and antennas and temporarily install them (like for a state QSO party) and then operate from this location until you either quite or move to a different location. Portable could also be where you pull a vehicle into parking position and it remains there for the duration of the operation. You could either work out of the back of an SUV or place your equipment on a table outside of the vehicle and it would still be considered portable operation.
TNX & 73, Dave N0EOP 31033
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Interesting.
For my own purposes if I operate in my vehicle I sign "/m", if I am outside with an Arrow and my h/t, I sign "/p" - that's the way I was taught many years ago, there is no ambiguity and I don't think you can go too far wrong with that!
73
That's how I've always approached it. Thanks, Dave, for this post.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL -------------- Original message from "Dave Sloan" desloan@earthlink.net: --------------
Lets see, guess there are three major ways to operate:
- Stationary: Where you are using equipment and antenna systems that are
fixed and could not be able to go mobile or portable very easy.
- Mobile: When the equipment is mounted and operated while installed in a
piece of equipment that is designed to be mobile and except for short stops (red light) is moving. This could be foot mobile, bike mobile, ATV mobile, horse back mobile, motorcycle mobile, or vehicle mobile.
- Portable: Where you take your equipment and antennas and temporarily
install them (like for a state QSO party) and then operate from this location until you either quite or move to a different location. Portable could also be where you pull a vehicle into parking position and it remains there for the duration of the operation. You could either work out of the back of an SUV or place your equipment on a table outside of the vehicle and it would still be considered portable operation.
TNX & 73, Dave N0EOP 31033
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Interesting.
For my own purposes if I operate in my vehicle I sign "/m", if I am outside with an Arrow and my h/t, I sign "/p" - that's the way I was taught many years ago, there is no ambiguity and I don't think you can go too far wrong with that!
73
-- David KG4ZLB www.kg4zlb.com
Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
Here's the relevent bits from the UK (and hence CEPT) license. As the FCC doesn't define mobile then it's up to you what you do on their teritory.
Location
1(10) "Station" means the station of the Licensee at the Main Station Address, a Temporary Location or while Mobile or Maritime Mobile, as the case may be.
1(11) Subject to clause 11, the Licensee shall operate the Station only:
(a) at the Main Station Address ("Main Station Address" means the main station address of the Licensee set forth in the Validation Document); (b) at a Temporary Location ("Temporary Location" means a location, other than the Main Station Address, and in a fixed position); (c) while Mobile ("Mobile" means located in any vehicle, as a pedestrian or on any Vessel in Inland Waters); or (d) while Maritime Mobile ("Maritime Mobile" means located on any Vessel At Sea).
Identification
7(3) At a Temporary Location, the Licensee shall:
(a) use the suffix "/P" with his call sign and give the location of the Station every 30 minutes to an accuracy of at least 5km by a generally used identifier.
7(4) When Mobile, the Licensee shall use the suffix "/M" and when Maritime Mobile, the suffix "/MM".
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That's exactly how I interpret the terminology.
Dave Sloan wrote:
Lets see, guess there are three major ways to operate:
- Stationary: Where you are using equipment and antenna systems that are
fixed and could not be able to go mobile or portable very easy.
- Mobile: When the equipment is mounted and operated while installed in a
piece of equipment that is designed to be mobile and except for short stops (red light) is moving. This could be foot mobile, bike mobile, ATV mobile, horse back mobile, motorcycle mobile, or vehicle mobile.
- Portable: Where you take your equipment and antennas and temporarily
install them (like for a state QSO party) and then operate from this location until you either quite or move to a different location. Portable could also be where you pull a vehicle into parking position and it remains there for the duration of the operation. You could either work out of the back of an SUV or place your equipment on a table outside of the vehicle and it would still be considered portable operation.
TNX & 73, Dave N0EOP 31033
So if you are in your vehicle, operating with a mobile radio installed in the vehicle and using an Arrow antenna out of the window, are you /m or /p ?
I say mobile!
:-D
If you're driving with an arrow antenna out the window you're probably gonna find yourself in jail.
David - KG4ZLB wrote:
So if you are in your vehicle, operating with a mobile radio installed in the vehicle and using an Arrow antenna out of the window, are you /m or /p ?
I say mobile!
:-D
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Nigel, you must have not been on an American style _*mobile*_ fox hunt yet. Picture 5 or 6 vehicles zooming down the road, closing in of a fox transmitter, with either yagis or quads sticking out of the sun roof and spinning 360 to get a bearing. We get the strange looks from the police, but nobody has went to jail yet. :-)
73 Ernie W8EH
Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
If you're driving with an arrow antenna out the window you're probably gonna find yourself in jail.
David - KG4ZLB wrote:
So if you are in your vehicle, operating with a mobile radio installed in the vehicle and using an Arrow antenna out of the window, are you /m or /p ?
I say mobile!
:-D
Only done fox hunts on foot.
Ernie wrote:
Nigel, you must have not been on an American style _*mobile*_ fox hunt yet. Picture 5 or 6 vehicles zooming down the road, closing in of a fox transmitter, with either yagis or quads sticking out of the sun roof and spinning 360 to get a bearing. We get the strange looks from the police, but nobody has went to jail yet. :-)
73 Ernie W8EH
Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
If you're driving with an arrow antenna out the window you're probably gonna find yourself in jail.
David - KG4ZLB wrote:
So if you are in your vehicle, operating with a mobile radio installed in the vehicle and using an Arrow antenna out of the window, are you /m or /p ?
I say mobile!
:-D
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/M if you're not driving the car but the car is moving (presumably being driven by someone else). /P if the car is parked. If you are operating while driving, and are near water, you might unexpectedly become /MM, and if you're near a cliff, you might briefly get to operate /AM.
The FCC dropped modal suffixes some time ago, and these are no longer required in FCC-land, although I think there are some residual situations that /MM and /AM are still required by treaty if not by regulation, even in FCC-land.
Kelly
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:15 PM, David - KG4ZLB kg4zlb@googlemail.com wrote:
So if you are in your vehicle, operating with a mobile radio installed in the vehicle and using an Arrow antenna out of the window, are you /m or /p ?
I say mobile!
:-D
-- David KG4ZLB www.kg4zlb.com
Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
That's exactly how I interpret the terminology.
Dave Sloan wrote:
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On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 18:28 -0500, Kelly Martin wrote:
The FCC dropped modal suffixes some time ago, and these are no longer required in FCC-land, although I think there are some residual situations that /MM and /AM are still required by treaty if not by regulation, even in FCC-land.
I think they dropped modal suffixes in the UK as well, but it still seems polite to use them - if only to stop people thinking my house has ignition hash and alternator whine :-/
Gordon
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