To Tweet or Not to Tweet
I have fundamentally opposed to TWITTER doe to the NONSENSE on it! However, I see many references posted here.
I am having second thoughts about signing up. PLEASE, will someone direct me to WHO I should follow regarding AMSAT and possibly others.
Many thanks,
73 Jerry AB5R EM12kh
If you just follow AMSAT, most important stuff gets sent there in the first place, or retweeted there. I know what you mean, though. 144 characters (or whatever the current limit is) is not enough to say anything very useful most of the time.
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 6:02 PM Gerald Payton via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
I have fundamentally opposed to TWITTER doe to the NONSENSE on it! However, I see many references posted here.
I am having second thoughts about signing up. PLEASE, will someone direct me to WHO I should follow regarding AMSAT and possibly others.
Many thanks,
73 Jerry AB5R EM12kh _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Gerald,
Some tech friends of mine were sitting at lunch back in 2008, talking about time-syncs in our lives. We all generally agreed that social media was one of the worst. As a result, we all made a pact to eliminate fb/twitter/etc... and none of us have looked back. There are positives to it, but from a bottom line standpoint, it really doesn't give you any more than text messaging the right people in technical circles, following the right email threads and being on the right IRC channels can give you. And, you get to avoid clickbait, popup-adds and suggestions and other content that are really all just adds in disguise. You basically allow other people to filter through all the garbage and post things to an email thread when it's actually good... allowing you to save precious and valuable time. Oh, and did I mention... Politics? If you intend on avoiding amateur radio politics by resorting to twitter, etc...be advised. You will find a lot of amateurs raging, quite outlandishly about other amateur radio operators, policies, members, even their families and the like... basically, like you've seen on the -bb for the last several months but magnitudes worst...
And don't get me wrong... i'm not some sort of pre-historic anti-technology hater. I actually developed the core social media components for EAs Madden 2013 title using a PS4 Tool (that's a playstation 4 development kit). You can see me in the credits. This includes the Facebook, Twitter and SMS hooks for the title. I understand the APIs, aggregators, etc... To me, it's all about the SNR. I don't regret dropping off and I miss nothing about it. I feel that it has intellectually saved me from a substantial number of people that want to make themselves seem and feel important by mostly making noise. The way I explain it to my kids is... imagine you're trying to read a book, and someone is shouting over your shoulder every 10 seconds. Yes, you can do it... but gosh, it's annoying. There are ways to stay informed without it and they are worth pursuing to me :-)
Anyhow, see how it all goes for you, post back in 6 months and let us know how you feel then ;-)
#rant, Joseph Armbruster KJ4JIO
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 6:02 PM Gerald Payton via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
I have fundamentally opposed to TWITTER doe to the NONSENSE on it! However, I see many references posted here.
I am having second thoughts about signing up. PLEASE, will someone direct me to WHO I should follow regarding AMSAT and possibly others.
Many thanks,
73 Jerry AB5R EM12kh _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
WoW! WELL SAID! I'll remember your description next time I have to defend my $9/mo flip fone. Bob, WB4APR
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 6:46 PM Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
As a result, we all made a pact to eliminate fb/twitter/etc... and none of us have looked back.
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The way I explain it to my kids is... imagine you're trying to read a book, and someone is shouting over your shoulder every 10 seconds. Yes, you can do it... but gosh, it's annoying.
#rant, Joseph Armbruster KJ4JIO
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:00 PM Gerald Payton via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
I have fundamentally opposed to TWITTER doe to the NONSENSE on it!
I am opposed to supporting a commercial product whose owner requires that you allow them to take your content and do whatever they want with it. They can also let other companies do whatever *they* want with it without telling you. Thus I won't create a Twitter account. Make no mistake, by merely creating an account, even if you don't use it, you are supporting the company, since they make money based in part on how many user accounts there are.
Fortunately, we have this BB, which is a more appropriate channel for a non-profit and its members. But if you feel that you have to use Twitter, note that you can view any user's feed without having to create your own account. If you need notifications, you can use a service such as IFFTT.
Martin. KD6YAM
However, I see many references posted here.
I am having second thoughts about signing up. PLEASE, will someone direct me to WHO I should follow regarding AMSAT and possibly others.
Many thanks,
73 Jerry AB5R EM12kh _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
On 10/7/2020 16:59, Gerald Payton via AMSAT-BB wrote:
I have fundamentally opposed to TWITTER doe to the NONSENSE on it! However, I see many references posted here.
I am having second thoughts about signing up. PLEASE, will someone direct me to WHO I should follow regarding AMSAT and possibly others.
Hi Jerry,
I would suggest that it's not who but what, in the sense of AMSAT vs. a single AMSAT volunteer. My recommendation is to follow AMSAT (the organization) tweets only. Even tweets from individuals that are of satellite ops interest get retweeted by AMSAT, so it's a simple way to get what you might be looking for without following a clutter of tweeters. They even retweet me if I tweet something about Engineering that is intelligent and useful information. There is an audience looking for AMSAT information via Twitter, so I'm glad to share news on their preferred platform. It would be foolish not to do so and somewhat un-hamlike, given that we're building stuff that is/will be available for satellite users worldwide. That's why I started using Twitter.
There are other worthy organizations, corporations, and government agencies to follow too for your space (and other) interests that are about news and information and not random nonsense. I follow various NASA branches, and other space/satellite related stuff like Spaceflight, SpaceX, Virgin Orbit to name a few, the corporations/agencies/organizations that are AMSAT "job" related as well as related space hobby interests. I follow only a handful individuals, some who are AMSAT officers and a few friends/acquaintances who know how to tweet useful or interesting info and then be quiet again, for a spell.
And let me add AMSAT-UK as a suggestion, they share in a way similar to what AMSAT does here with useful info as it comes up.
Give Twitter a try, I'd say it's worth a look. You can ease in and add more over time. I'd also suggest that you don't jump in and follow a bunch right off because it might be information overload rather than informative.
And if you don't like it you can blame me, in a Tweet! I'm a popular "public figure" for that type of stuff. Then just close your Twitter account, and move on...
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
I enjoy Twitter. I am just very picky if who I follow. If they start saying stupid stuff I quietly unfollow them. I have to say it is better than Facebook. In fact I just deactivated my Facebook account
Chad
Chad Phillips Chad Phillips Photography & School Photography by Mark 605.336.0777
________________________________ From: AMSAT-BB amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org on behalf of Jerry Buxton via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 12:00:46 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] To Tweet or Not to Tweet
On 10/7/2020 16:59, Gerald Payton via AMSAT-BB wrote:
I have fundamentally opposed to TWITTER doe to the NONSENSE on it! However, I see many references posted here.
I am having second thoughts about signing up. PLEASE, will someone direct me to WHO I should follow regarding AMSAT and possibly others.
Hi Jerry,
I would suggest that it's not who but what, in the sense of AMSAT vs. a single AMSAT volunteer. My recommendation is to follow AMSAT (the organization) tweets only. Even tweets from individuals that are of satellite ops interest get retweeted by AMSAT, so it's a simple way to get what you might be looking for without following a clutter of tweeters. They even retweet me if I tweet something about Engineering that is intelligent and useful information. There is an audience looking for AMSAT information via Twitter, so I'm glad to share news on their preferred platform. It would be foolish not to do so and somewhat un-hamlike, given that we're building stuff that is/will be available for satellite users worldwide. That's why I started using Twitter.
There are other worthy organizations, corporations, and government agencies to follow too for your space (and other) interests that are about news and information and not random nonsense. I follow various NASA branches, and other space/satellite related stuff like Spaceflight, SpaceX, Virgin Orbit to name a few, the corporations/agencies/organizations that are AMSAT "job" related as well as related space hobby interests. I follow only a handful individuals, some who are AMSAT officers and a few friends/acquaintances who know how to tweet useful or interesting info and then be quiet again, for a spell.
And let me add AMSAT-UK as a suggestion, they share in a way similar to what AMSAT does here with useful info as it comes up.
Give Twitter a try, I'd say it's worth a look. You can ease in and add more over time. I'd also suggest that you don't jump in and follow a bunch right off because it might be information overload rather than informative.
And if you don't like it you can blame me, in a Tweet! I'm a popular "public figure" for that type of stuff. Then just close your Twitter account, and move on...
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
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Read what you want to read and ignore the other things and block the junk. How easy is that?! The worthwhile things far outweigh the others. I'm staying. 73, Bob K8BL On Friday, October 9, 2020, 09:23:52 AM EDT, Chad KG0MW via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I enjoy Twitter. I am just very picky if who I follow. If they start saying stupid stuff I quietly unfollow them. I have to say it is better than Facebook. In fact I just deactivated my Facebook account
Chad
Chad Phillips Chad Phillips Photography & School Photography by Mark 605.336.0777
________________________________ From: AMSAT-BB amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org on behalf of Jerry Buxton via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 12:00:46 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] To Tweet or Not to Tweet
On 10/7/2020 16:59, Gerald Payton via AMSAT-BB wrote:
I have fundamentally opposed to TWITTER doe to the NONSENSE on it! However, I see many references posted here.
I am having second thoughts about signing up. PLEASE, will someone direct me to WHO I should follow regarding AMSAT and possibly others.
Hi Jerry,
I would suggest that it's not who but what, in the sense of AMSAT vs. a single AMSAT volunteer. My recommendation is to follow AMSAT (the organization) tweets only. Even tweets from individuals that are of satellite ops interest get retweeted by AMSAT, so it's a simple way to get what you might be looking for without following a clutter of tweeters. They even retweet me if I tweet something about Engineering that is intelligent and useful information. There is an audience looking for AMSAT information via Twitter, so I'm glad to share news on their preferred platform. It would be foolish not to do so and somewhat un-hamlike, given that we're building stuff that is/will be available for satellite users worldwide. That's why I started using Twitter.
There are other worthy organizations, corporations, and government agencies to follow too for your space (and other) interests that are about news and information and not random nonsense. I follow various NASA branches, and other space/satellite related stuff like Spaceflight, SpaceX, Virgin Orbit to name a few, the corporations/agencies/organizations that are AMSAT "job" related as well as related space hobby interests. I follow only a handful individuals, some who are AMSAT officers and a few friends/acquaintances who know how to tweet useful or interesting info and then be quiet again, for a spell.
And let me add AMSAT-UK as a suggestion, they share in a way similar to what AMSAT does here with useful info as it comes up.
Give Twitter a try, I'd say it's worth a look. You can ease in and add more over time. I'd also suggest that you don't jump in and follow a bunch right off because it might be information overload rather than informative.
And if you don't like it you can blame me, in a Tweet! I'm a popular "public figure" for that type of stuff. Then just close your Twitter account, and move on...
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
_______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
The ideal solution would be to have a worldwide amateur data network, based only on amateur-radio resources (microwave, HF, etc.), which would be independent of the Internet.
We have the IPv4 space (44.x.x.x net) and the open-source tools (Mastodon) to replace the data-mining, you-are-the-product commercial solutions.
This network would provide the driving need to keep our spectrum, which is rapidly being eroded by the FCC for 5G.
Obviously, this network would be the backbone for amsat-bb and other amateur mailing lists/resources. This source material could be relayed to the Internet, for those without direct RF access to the 44.x net.
So many ideas, so little time..
--- Zach N0ZGO
The ideal solution would be to have a worldwide amateur data network, based only on amateur-radio resources (microwave, HF, etc.), which would be independent of the Internet.
There is one. called APRS. And in the early days, my original APRSdos could send out a local beacon every 10 minutes showing the satellite names and AOS time for upcoming satellites. Then when the satellites were in view, it wouild send out Satelltie OBJECTs that the APRS radios wouid then use to show the range and bearing to the satellite once a minute as well as the words LOW or HIGH to be spoken by Knewoods that had the voice chip in them.
See: http://aprs.org/satinfo.html
This is exactly what APRS was designed to do. To be an info resource for everyone everywhere to see what was happening in their area. But unless someone is posting the info or running such an ap in the local area, then there is nothing to see.
Bob, WB4APR
On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:11 PM Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
The ideal solution would be to have a worldwide amateur data network, based only on amateur-radio resources (microwave, HF, etc.), which would be independent of the Internet.
We have the IPv4 space (44.x.x.x net) and the open-source tools (Mastodon) to replace the data-mining, you-are-the-product commercial solutions.
This network would provide the driving need to keep our spectrum, which is rapidly being eroded by the FCC for 5G.
Obviously, this network would be the backbone for amsat-bb and other amateur mailing lists/resources. This source material could be relayed to the Internet, for those without direct RF access to the 44.x net.
So many ideas, so little time..
--- Zach N0ZGO
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On 10/09/20 12:40, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB wrote:
There is one. called APRS. And in the early days, my original APRSdos could send out a local beacon every 10 minutes showing the satellite names
Hello Bob,
AX.25 is an obsolete, circuit-switched way to route packets.
At the physical layer, lack of FEC, AFSK Bell 202 speeds and ALOHA-scheduling leads to massively inefficient utilization of the spectrum.
I'm talking about a cellular-network like organization with downlinks and scheduled uplinks. Dedicated terminals using COTS modem chips, at both sub-1GHz and 2.4GHz, would lower the barrier to entry and not tie up an analog radio.
I estimate a small data terminal would cost in the neighborhood of $50. This small terminal would be the any-hams way to get on the 44.x network via RF.
There are many disparate commercial implementations of something like this, but nothing cohesive has come of it. We still have a ton of amateur traffic relying on Internet links.
--- Zach N0ZGO
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Bob Liddy (K8BL) -
Burns Fisher -
Chad KG0MW -
Gerald Payton -
Jerry Buxton -
Joseph Armbruster -
Martin Cooper -
Robert Bruninga -
Zach Metzinger