If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's explanations. They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two members who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was wasted! I am anxious for the election.
Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with your voting privilege.
73 Brad KC9UQR
Brad,
What transparency and progress has been brought to the organization from the members that you speak of? Specifically? It appears that since they were voted in, everyone in the organization is now walking on egg-shells. The BB is now plastered with emails asking which words mean what feelings, name calling and chasing after the organization using whatever legal means the wizards-of-smart can conjure up all in the name of almighty, all-righeous, '''transparency'''. It all seems rather insincere and unproductive to me. People like this should do the organization a favor, and leave, run their own competing organization and take whatever people and dollars happen to follow them.
I would honestly like to return to the ARISSat-1 days, where it was just full-speed-ahead engineering and not all this talk all about 'saving AMSAT' and ORI garbage. All this ORI promotion on the BB, is absolute garbage. No rational AMSAT member should be OK with that, especially from an AMSAT BOD member. ORI is a separate, competing organization and their bylaws are..... telling. If AMSATs bylaws were ever amended to be anything like those, you can kiss your membership goodbye, ref: https://openresearch.institute/organization-documents. Their bylaws literally say "Membership shall consist of the Board of Directors.". Quite an Open organization, indeed!
But I digress... The more of these kinds of people you vote in, the more the organization is going to be hurt, guaranteed. Because not only is nothing going to get done, obviously some people don't want to work with them for whatever-reasons and THAT actually is important. And, the reasons are important too. Have you wondered why...? I do! As a small business owner, when I hear such-and-such doesn't want to work with so-and-so, I immediately want to ask "What happened"? From what the email traffic looks like, it seems like you may have to worry about legal action for everything you say or do around them or, maybe there was some pre-election history that most of the people that voted for them, didn't know about. I have no clue, but this all does make me wonder.
Either way, it seems like the state of things right now is Much Worst than it was prior-to the last election, so... Not sure why anyone would want more of this. For me, the socio-political environment is just as important as the engi-nerding portion.. At the very least, BOD members need to be promoting the organization they are on the board of and noone should have to worry about legal retaliation over every little thing.
Joseph Armbruster KJ4JIO
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:58 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's explanations. They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two members who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was wasted! I am anxious for the election.
Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with your voting privilege.
73 Brad KC9UQR _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
I did read and do not believe what they are accusing the board of. I feel I know that board members well enough to put my support behind them. I have never met anyone involved with AMSAT that wanted to hurt the organization in any way. To say they misspent the money I feel is wrong. They did so to protect the organization. Sadly lawyers are not cheap and the money had to be spent. The accusations is what will tear us at the seams…
chad
Chad Phillips KG0MW Amsat Ambassador www.kg0mw.com
On Jul 12, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Brad,
What transparency and progress has been brought to the organization from the members that you speak of? Specifically? It appears that since they were voted in, everyone in the organization is now walking on egg-shells. The BB is now plastered with emails asking which words mean what feelings, name calling and chasing after the organization using whatever legal means the wizards-of-smart can conjure up all in the name of almighty, all-righeous, '''transparency'''. It all seems rather insincere and unproductive to me. People like this should do the organization a favor, and leave, run their own competing organization and take whatever people and dollars happen to follow them.
I would honestly like to return to the ARISSat-1 days, where it was just full-speed-ahead engineering and not all this talk all about 'saving AMSAT' and ORI garbage. All this ORI promotion on the BB, is absolute garbage. No rational AMSAT member should be OK with that, especially from an AMSAT BOD member. ORI is a separate, competing organization and their bylaws are..... telling. If AMSATs bylaws were ever amended to be anything like those, you can kiss your membership goodbye, ref: https://openresearch.institute/organization-documents. Their bylaws literally say "Membership shall consist of the Board of Directors.". Quite an Open organization, indeed!
But I digress... The more of these kinds of people you vote in, the more the organization is going to be hurt, guaranteed. Because not only is nothing going to get done, obviously some people don't want to work with them for whatever-reasons and THAT actually is important. And, the reasons are important too. Have you wondered why...? I do! As a small business owner, when I hear such-and-such doesn't want to work with so-and-so, I immediately want to ask "What happened"? From what the email traffic looks like, it seems like you may have to worry about legal action for everything you say or do around them or, maybe there was some pre-election history that most of the people that voted for them, didn't know about. I have no clue, but this all does make me wonder.
Either way, it seems like the state of things right now is Much Worst than it was prior-to the last election, so... Not sure why anyone would want more of this. For me, the socio-political environment is just as important as the engi-nerding portion.. At the very least, BOD members need to be promoting the organization they are on the board of and noone should have to worry about legal retaliation over every little thing.
Joseph Armbruster KJ4JIO
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:58 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's explanations. They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two members who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was wasted! I am anxious for the election.
Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with your voting privilege.
73 Brad KC9UQR _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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You don't cover up unauthorized spending and you don't spend money you aren't cleared to spend! Let the parties involved explain this thoroughly or have an independent 3rd party do so! Either way, we are all due the facts, not conjecture, and character support statements! LET THE FACTS SPEAK TO THE SITUATION NOT OPINIONS!!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:51 PM Chad KG0MW via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I did read and do not believe what they are accusing the board of. I feel I know that board members well enough to put my support behind them. I have never met anyone involved with AMSAT that wanted to hurt the organization in any way. To say they misspent the money I feel is wrong. They did so to protect the organization. Sadly lawyers are not cheap and the money had to be spent. The accusations is what will tear us at the seams…
chad
Chad Phillips KG0MW Amsat Ambassador www.kg0mw.com
On Jul 12, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Brad,
What transparency and progress has been brought to the organization from the members that you speak of? Specifically? It appears that since they were voted in, everyone in the organization is now walking on egg-shells. The BB is now plastered with emails asking which words mean what feelings, name calling and chasing after the organization using whatever legal means the wizards-of-smart can conjure up all in the name of almighty, all-righeous, '''transparency'''. It all seems rather insincere and unproductive to me. People like this should do the organization a favor, and leave, run their own competing organization and take whatever people and dollars happen to follow them.
I would honestly like to return to the ARISSat-1 days, where it was just full-speed-ahead engineering and not all this talk all about 'saving AMSAT' and ORI garbage. All this ORI promotion on the BB, is absolute garbage. No rational AMSAT member should be OK with that, especially from an AMSAT BOD member. ORI is a separate, competing organization and their bylaws are..... telling. If AMSATs bylaws were ever amended to be anything like those, you can kiss your membership goodbye, ref: https://openresearch.institute/organization-documents. Their bylaws literally say "Membership shall consist of the Board of Directors.". Quite an Open organization, indeed!
But I digress... The more of these kinds of people you vote in, the more the organization is going to be hurt, guaranteed. Because not only is nothing going to get done, obviously some people don't want to work with them for whatever-reasons and THAT actually is important. And, the reasons are important too. Have you wondered why...? I do! As a small business owner, when I hear such-and-such doesn't want to work with so-and-so, I immediately want to ask "What happened"? From what the email traffic looks like, it seems like you may have to worry about legal action for everything you say or do around them or, maybe there was some pre-election history that most of the people that voted for them, didn't know about. I have no clue, but this all does make me wonder.
Either way, it seems like the state of things right now is Much Worst than it was prior-to the last election, so... Not sure why anyone would want more of this. For me, the socio-political environment is just as important as the engi-nerding portion.. At the very least, BOD members need to be promoting the organization they are on the board of and noone should have to worry about legal retaliation over every little thing.
Joseph Armbruster KJ4JIO
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:58 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in
space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's explanations. They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two members who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was wasted! I am anxious for the election.
Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody
and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with your voting privilege.
73 Brad KC9UQR _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
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AMSAT-NA.
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Since you are not a member Jeff you would not have received the email that we all did clearly stating that there was no unauthorized spending.
You can read it here...
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_Le...
Kevin WA7FWF #19623
On 7/12/2020 4:12 PM, Jeff Moore via AMSAT-BB wrote:
You don't cover up unauthorized spending and you don't spend money you aren't cleared to spend! Let the parties involved explain this thoroughly or have an independent 3rd party do so! Either way, we are all due the facts, not conjecture, and character support statements! LET THE FACTS SPEAK TO THE SITUATION NOT OPINIONS!!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:51 PM Chad KG0MW via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I did read and do not believe what they are accusing the board of. I feel I know that board members well enough to put my support behind them. I have never met anyone involved with AMSAT that wanted to hurt the organization in any way. To say they misspent the money I feel is wrong. They did so to protect the organization. Sadly lawyers are not cheap and the money had to be spent. The accusations is what will tear us at the seams…
chad
Chad Phillips KG0MW Amsat Ambassador www.kg0mw.com
On Jul 12, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Brad,
What transparency and progress has been brought to the organization from the members that you speak of? Specifically? It appears that since they were voted in, everyone in the organization is now walking on egg-shells. The BB is now plastered with emails asking which words mean what feelings, name calling and chasing after the organization using whatever legal means the wizards-of-smart can conjure up all in the name of almighty, all-righeous, '''transparency'''. It all seems rather insincere and unproductive to me. People like this should do the organization a favor, and leave, run their own competing organization and take whatever people and dollars happen to follow them.
I would honestly like to return to the ARISSat-1 days, where it was just full-speed-ahead engineering and not all this talk all about 'saving AMSAT' and ORI garbage. All this ORI promotion on the BB, is absolute garbage. No rational AMSAT member should be OK with that, especially from an AMSAT BOD member. ORI is a separate, competing organization and their bylaws are..... telling. If AMSATs bylaws were ever amended to be anything like those, you can kiss your membership goodbye, ref: https://openresearch.institute/organization-documents. Their bylaws literally say "Membership shall consist of the Board of Directors.". Quite an Open organization, indeed!
But I digress... The more of these kinds of people you vote in, the more the organization is going to be hurt, guaranteed. Because not only is nothing going to get done, obviously some people don't want to work with them for whatever-reasons and THAT actually is important. And, the reasons are important too. Have you wondered why...? I do! As a small business owner, when I hear such-and-such doesn't want to work with so-and-so, I immediately want to ask "What happened"? From what the email traffic looks like, it seems like you may have to worry about legal action for everything you say or do around them or, maybe there was some pre-election history that most of the people that voted for them, didn't know about. I have no clue, but this all does make me wonder.
Either way, it seems like the state of things right now is Much Worst than it was prior-to the last election, so... Not sure why anyone would want more of this. For me, the socio-political environment is just as important as the engi-nerding portion.. At the very least, BOD members need to be promoting the organization they are on the board of and noone should have to worry about legal retaliation over every little thing.
Joseph Armbruster KJ4JIO
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:58 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in
space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's explanations. They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two members who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was wasted! I am anxious for the election.
Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody
and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with your voting privilege.
73 Brad KC9UQR _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
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Wow! Based on that and the general discussion that has been public on this forum, I'd say AMSAT is doomed!!! At least AMSAT-NA is.
The email makes it pretty clear in the first 2 sentences what this is all about!! The board members being outed by the 2 whistleblowers are trying to deflect the blame from themselves to the 2 raising the issues by stating that the entire organization is under attack!!! I don't see the entire organization being attacked at all I see 2 board members raising serious concerns about the behavior of the rest of the board and saying that there is a problem!! They are being attacked by those board members and their supporters - OFFICIALLY!!.
Time for a disinterested 3rd party to investigate the whole mess and let the rest of us know just exactly what is really going on with this obvious power struggle!!!
IT'S PAST TIME FOR COOLER HEADS TO PREVAIL!
I'd suggest making that happen while you still can, or kiss the organization goodbye.
It would be a real shame to see AMSAT-NA go under because of petty disagreements over alleged misconduct between board members. With money involved, it is really easy to go too far especially after some board members hire lawyers(at the expense of the organization) to attack those asking serious questions!
To be blunt: GET OVER YOURSELVES AND GET BACK TO DOING WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING - RUNNING AMSAT-NA!! Not running it into the ground which is where it is heading tonight!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:28 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Since you are not a member Jeff you would not have received the email that we all did clearly stating that there was no unauthorized spending.
You can read it here...
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_Le...
Kevin WA7FWF #19623
On 7/12/2020 4:12 PM, Jeff Moore via AMSAT-BB wrote:
You don't cover up unauthorized spending and you don't spend money you aren't cleared to spend! Let the parties involved explain this
thoroughly
or have an independent 3rd party do so! Either way, we are all due the facts, not conjecture, and character support statements! LET THE FACTS SPEAK TO THE SITUATION NOT OPINIONS!!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:51 PM Chad KG0MW via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org>
wrote:
I did read and do not believe what they are accusing the board of. I
feel
I know that board members well enough to put my support behind them. I
have
never met anyone involved with AMSAT that wanted to hurt the
organization
in any way. To say they misspent the money I feel is wrong. They did so
to
protect the organization. Sadly lawyers are not cheap and the money had
to
be spent. The accusations is what will tear us at the seams…
chad
Chad Phillips KG0MW Amsat Ambassador www.kg0mw.com
On Jul 12, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Brad,
What transparency and progress has been brought to the organization from the members that you speak of? Specifically? It appears that since they were voted in, everyone in the organization is now walking on egg-shells. The BB is now plastered with emails asking which words mean what feelings, name calling and chasing after the organization using whatever legal means the wizards-of-smart can conjure up all in the name of almighty, all-righeous, '''transparency'''. It all seems rather insincere and unproductive to me. People like this should do the organization a favor, and leave, run their own competing organization and take whatever people and dollars happen to follow them.
I would honestly like to return to the ARISSat-1 days, where it was just full-speed-ahead engineering and not all this talk all about 'saving AMSAT' and ORI garbage. All this ORI promotion on the BB, is absolute garbage. No rational AMSAT member should be OK with that, especially from an AMSAT BOD member. ORI is a separate, competing organization and their bylaws are..... telling. If AMSATs bylaws were ever amended to be anything like those, you can kiss your membership goodbye, ref: https://openresearch.institute/organization-documents. Their bylaws literally say "Membership shall consist of the Board of Directors.". Quite an Open organization, indeed!
But I digress... The more of these kinds of people you vote in, the more the organization is going to be hurt, guaranteed. Because not only is nothing going to get done, obviously some people don't want to work with them for whatever-reasons and THAT actually is important. And, the reasons are important too. Have you wondered why...? I do! As a small business owner, when I hear such-and-such doesn't want to work with so-and-so, I immediately want to ask "What happened"? From what the email traffic looks like, it seems like you may have to worry about legal action for everything you say or do around them or, maybe there was some pre-election history that most of the people that voted for them, didn't know about. I have no clue, but this all does make me wonder.
Either way, it seems like the state of things right now is Much Worst than it was prior-to the last election, so... Not sure why anyone would want more of this. For me, the socio-political environment is just as important as the engi-nerding portion.. At the very least, BOD members need to be promoting the organization they are on the board of and noone should have to worry about legal retaliation over every little thing.
Joseph Armbruster KJ4JIO
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:58 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in
space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's explanations. They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two
members
who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was wasted! I am anxious for the election.
Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody
and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with your voting privilege.
73 Brad KC9UQR _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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Is there a bulletin board that discusses amateur radio satellites operations still? Asking for a friend. This is getting old.
Daron N7HQR
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Moore via AMSAT-BB Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:02 PM To: Kevin Cc: Amsat BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Members Please Read
Wow! Based on that and the general discussion that has been public on this forum, I'd say AMSAT is doomed!!! At least AMSAT-NA is.
The email makes it pretty clear in the first 2 sentences what this is all about!! The board members being outed by the 2 whistleblowers are trying to deflect the blame from themselves to the 2 raising the issues by stating that the entire organization is under attack!!! I don't see the entire organization being attacked at all I see 2 board members raising serious concerns about the behavior of the rest of the board and saying that there is a problem!! They are being attacked by those board members and their supporters - OFFICIALLY!!.
Time for a disinterested 3rd party to investigate the whole mess and let the rest of us know just exactly what is really going on with this obvious power struggle!!!
IT'S PAST TIME FOR COOLER HEADS TO PREVAIL!
I'd suggest making that happen while you still can, or kiss the organization goodbye.
It would be a real shame to see AMSAT-NA go under because of petty disagreements over alleged misconduct between board members. With money involved, it is really easy to go too far especially after some board members hire lawyers(at the expense of the organization) to attack those asking serious questions!
To be blunt: GET OVER YOURSELVES AND GET BACK TO DOING WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING - RUNNING AMSAT-NA!! Not running it into the ground which is where it is heading tonight!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:28 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Since you are not a member Jeff you would not have received the email that we all did clearly stating that there was no unauthorized spending.
You can read it here...
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_Le...
Kevin WA7FWF #19623
On 7/12/2020 4:12 PM, Jeff Moore via AMSAT-BB wrote:
You don't cover up unauthorized spending and you don't spend money you aren't cleared to spend! Let the parties involved explain this
thoroughly
or have an independent 3rd party do so! Either way, we are all due the facts, not conjecture, and character support statements! LET THE FACTS SPEAK TO THE SITUATION NOT OPINIONS!!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:51 PM Chad KG0MW via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org>
wrote:
I did read and do not believe what they are accusing the board of. I
feel
I know that board members well enough to put my support behind them. I
have
never met anyone involved with AMSAT that wanted to hurt the
organization
in any way. To say they misspent the money I feel is wrong. They did so
to
protect the organization. Sadly lawyers are not cheap and the money had
to
be spent. The accusations is what will tear us at the seams…
chad
Chad Phillips KG0MW Amsat Ambassador www.kg0mw.com
On Jul 12, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Brad,
What transparency and progress has been brought to the organization from the members that you speak of? Specifically? It appears that since they were voted in, everyone in the organization is now walking on egg-shells. The BB is now plastered with emails asking which words mean what feelings, name calling and chasing after the organization using whatever legal means the wizards-of-smart can conjure up all in the name of almighty, all-righeous, '''transparency'''. It all seems rather insincere and unproductive to me. People like this should do the organization a favor, and leave, run their own competing organization and take whatever people and dollars happen to follow them.
I would honestly like to return to the ARISSat-1 days, where it was just full-speed-ahead engineering and not all this talk all about 'saving AMSAT' and ORI garbage. All this ORI promotion on the BB, is absolute garbage. No rational AMSAT member should be OK with that, especially from an AMSAT BOD member. ORI is a separate, competing organization and their bylaws are..... telling. If AMSATs bylaws were ever amended to be anything like those, you can kiss your membership goodbye, ref: https://openresearch.institute/organization-documents. Their bylaws literally say "Membership shall consist of the Board of Directors.". Quite an Open organization, indeed!
But I digress... The more of these kinds of people you vote in, the more the organization is going to be hurt, guaranteed. Because not only is nothing going to get done, obviously some people don't want to work with them for whatever-reasons and THAT actually is important. And, the reasons are important too. Have you wondered why...? I do! As a small business owner, when I hear such-and-such doesn't want to work with so-and-so, I immediately want to ask "What happened"? From what the email traffic looks like, it seems like you may have to worry about legal action for everything you say or do around them or, maybe there was some pre-election history that most of the people that voted for them, didn't know about. I have no clue, but this all does make me wonder.
Either way, it seems like the state of things right now is Much Worst than it was prior-to the last election, so... Not sure why anyone would want more of this. For me, the socio-political environment is just as important as the engi-nerding portion.. At the very least, BOD members need to be promoting the organization they are on the board of and noone should have to worry about legal retaliation over every little thing.
Joseph Armbruster KJ4JIO
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:58 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in
space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's explanations. They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two
members
who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was wasted! I am anxious for the election.
Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody
and hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with your voting privilege.
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ORI is an AMSAT Member Society. Posting here is appropriate.
All work done is provided free of charge and directly benefits AMSAT.
ORI doesn't sell memberships. It's a research institute. There's no competition for members because the only members are the board.
This is not uncommon in R&D.
Other AMSAT board members and officers work in the satellite industry, work for NASA or a contractor, work for universities with satellite programs, are on space advisory boards, or are presidents or directors of independent amateur satellite organizations.
Like ARISS USA. And Project Oscar.
If everyone that was active enough in amateur satellite to wear multiple hats stepped down, we'd have a very very small leadership team in AMSAT.
Being disgusted by good news and activity seems weird to me. Calling honest good news that was joyfully shared "garbage" is disappointing to read.
I apologize in advance because there will be more of it in the future.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 14:22 Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Brad,
What transparency and progress has been brought to the organization from the members that you speak of? Specifically? It appears that since they were voted in, everyone in the organization is now walking on egg-shells. The BB is now plastered with emails asking which words mean what feelings, name calling and chasing after the organization using whatever legal means the wizards-of-smart can conjure up all in the name of almighty, all-righeous, '''transparency'''. It all seems rather insincere and unproductive to me. People like this should do the organization a favor, and leave, run their own competing organization and take whatever people and dollars happen to follow them.
I would honestly like to return to the ARISSat-1 days, where it was just full-speed-ahead engineering and not all this talk all about 'saving AMSAT' and ORI garbage. All this ORI promotion on the BB, is absolute garbage. No rational AMSAT member should be OK with that, especially from an AMSAT BOD member. ORI is a separate, competing organization and their bylaws are..... telling. If AMSATs bylaws were ever amended to be anything like those, you can kiss your membership goodbye, ref: https://openresearch.institute/organization-documents. Their bylaws literally say "Membership shall consist of the Board of Directors.". Quite an Open organization, indeed!
But I digress... The more of these kinds of people you vote in, the more the organization is going to be hurt, guaranteed. Because not only is nothing going to get done, obviously some people don't want to work with them for whatever-reasons and THAT actually is important. And, the reasons are important too. Have you wondered why...? I do! As a small business owner, when I hear such-and-such doesn't want to work with so-and-so, I immediately want to ask "What happened"? From what the email traffic looks like, it seems like you may have to worry about legal action for everything you say or do around them or, maybe there was some pre-election history that most of the people that voted for them, didn't know about. I have no clue, but this all does make me wonder.
Either way, it seems like the state of things right now is Much Worst than it was prior-to the last election, so... Not sure why anyone would want more of this. For me, the socio-political environment is just as important as the engi-nerding portion.. At the very least, BOD members need to be promoting the organization they are on the board of and noone should have to worry about legal retaliation over every little thing.
Joseph Armbruster KJ4JIO
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:58 PM Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
If you care about the AMSAT organization continuing to help hams in
space communications, please read and reread Patrick's and Michelle's explanations. They layout exactly what happened. Now we learn that the expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired engineer's math is correct. This is money wasted to beat down two members who want transparency and progress. This was not right. Our money was wasted! I am anxious for the election.
Again, I ask that members do not resign over this. That helps nobody and
hurts out hobby, which has already taken a huge hit. Solve this with your voting privilege.
73 Brad KC9UQR _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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