Re: Petition to block Luc from the -bb
As much as I too feel his comments are sometimes ill timed junque.....I also perceive a difference of language and other cultural differences.
I cannot tell you have many times I've wanted to tell this entire AMSAT group to get lost. You mention Luc as one example.....there are many others out there on this list who feel nothing of putting a person down form making a well intended comment, or who feel their knowlege is so superior that the person needing help is put down into the dirt. It is not entirely unusual to read an idiotic posting from someone in the "management" chain of AMSAT. How about years ago when the great master James told someone to leave AMSAT or that we would be better of without him.
Finally, if freedom of expresson is not valid here, please let me know.
Gary Memory, N7BRJ
Original Message: ----------------- From: Robert Davies ki4hxt@amsat.org Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:06:05 -0500 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Petition to block Luc from the -bb
I propose that all who are tired of this individual poisoning what is otherwise a peaceful and productive environment with his abusive and slanderous posts against an organization that I for one am proud to be part of and will continue to support. Sign this petition or make it be known in some fashion that you are tired of this kind of behavior and that Luc Leblanc VE2DWE be blocked from the AMSAT and all affiliated -bb systems.
To compare the US Air Force Academy and AMSAT to the NAZI V-1 and V-2 rockets is ludicrous.
1.Robert Davies
Pretty easy day, if you don't like what Luc posts, send his posts directly to the deleted folder...
73 de Tim, K4SHF
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of gmemory@compuserve.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 4:46 AM To: ki4hxt@amsat.org; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Petition to block Luc from the -bb
As much as I too feel his comments are sometimes ill timed junque.....I also perceive a difference of language and other cultural differences.
I cannot tell you have many times I've wanted to tell this entire AMSAT group to get lost. You mention Luc as one example.....there are many others out there on this list who feel nothing of putting a person down form making a well intended comment, or who feel their knowlege is so superior that the person needing help is put down into the dirt. It is not entirely unusual to read an idiotic posting from someone in the "management" chain of AMSAT. How about years ago when the great master James told someone to leave AMSAT or that we would be better of without him.
Finally, if freedom of expresson is not valid here, please let me know.
Gary Memory, N7BRJ
Original Message: ----------------- From: Robert Davies ki4hxt@amsat.org Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:06:05 -0500 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Petition to block Luc from the -bb
I propose that all who are tired of this individual poisoning what is otherwise a peaceful and productive environment with his abusive and slanderous posts against an organization that I for one am proud to be part of and will continue to support. Sign this petition or make it be known in some fashion that you are tired of this kind of behavior and that Luc Leblanc VE2DWE be blocked from the AMSAT and all affiliated -bb systems.
To compare the US Air Force Academy and AMSAT to the NAZI V-1 and V-2 rockets is ludicrous.
1.Robert Davies
gmemory@compuserve.com wrote:
As much as I too feel his comments are sometimes ill timed junque.....I also perceive a difference of language and other cultural differences.
I cannot tell you have many times I've wanted to tell this entire AMSAT group to get lost. You mention Luc as one example.....there are many others out there on this list who feel nothing of putting a person down form making a well intended comment, or who feel their knowlege is so superior that the person needing help is put down into the dirt. It is not entirely unusual to read an idiotic posting from someone in the "management" chain of AMSAT. How about years ago when the great master James told someone to leave AMSAT or that we would be better of without him.
Finally, if freedom of expresson is not valid here, please let me know.
Gary Memory, N7BRJ
Original Message:
From: Robert Davies ki4hxt@amsat.org Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:06:05 -0500 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Petition to block Luc from the -bb
I propose that all who are tired of this individual poisoning what is otherwise a peaceful and productive environment with his abusive and slanderous posts against an organization that I for one am proud to be part of and will continue to support. Sign this petition or make it be known in some fashion that you are tired of this kind of behavior and that Luc Leblanc VE2DWE be blocked from the AMSAT and all affiliated -bb systems.
To compare the US Air Force Academy and AMSAT to the NAZI V-1 and V-2 rockets is ludicrous.
1.Robert Davies
I'm all about freedom of expression and speech but if want to have a place to rant then create one so the rest of us don't have to be force fed this crap.
--- "gmemory@compuserve.com" gmemory@compuserve.com wrote:
Finally, if freedom of expresson is not valid here, please let me know.
I couldn't agree more Gary. If you can't handle the views expressed here, please unsubscribe.
73, Garie -K8KFJ- AMSAT #32574 Sat VUCC #125
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At 09:16 AM 2/18/2007, Garie Halstead K8KFJ wrote:
--- "gmemory@compuserve.com" gmemory@compuserve.com wrote:
Finally, if freedom of expresson is not valid here, please let me know.
I couldn't agree more Gary. If you can't handle the views expressed here, please unsubscribe.
73, Garie -K8KFJ- AMSAT #32574 Sat VUCC #125
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Folks:
I guess the fact that this reflector has an open format and (nearly) no moderation is something each must value. This means ignoring many of the posts of questionable language and intent. I hit the delete button often. If a post is really beyond good taste, then one is free to respond to author and point this out to them. I do think that posting replies to ALL on the reflector is mostly counter-productive in these cases and leads to more inflamatory language. Better to post privately and directly to the originator in these cases.
Luc has been frequent poster of material that is a little over the edge, but his freedom to be able to post here maintains a freedom that is integral to the internet experience. Once we proceed down the path of censorship this list will cease to be (very) useful.
Like it or NOT: the Amsat-bb has become a forum for review of Amsat policies and practices. If we can remember to keep our criticisms neutral and avoid personalizing them, this will continue to be a positive tool for both members, the officers and board members, and the greater satellite community.
Frankly, I think that the "official" Amsat has shown a lot of restraint considering the nature of some of the "attacks" that have gone on this reflector.
This is my personal opinion.
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Garie Halstead K8KFJ wrote:
--- "gmemory@compuserve.com" gmemory@compuserve.com wrote:
Finally, if freedom of expresson is not valid here, please let me know.
I couldn't agree more Gary. If you can't handle the views expressed here, please unsubscribe.
73, Garie -K8KFJ- AMSAT #32574 Sat VUCC #125
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You are correct I guess I can't handle it. Now that the -bb has shifted from being a technical place for learning to a political place for BS. It's been fun.
Regards, KI4HXT Robert Davies
--- Robert Davies ki4hxt@amsat.org wrote:
You are correct I guess I can't handle it. Now that the -bb has shifted from being a technical place for learning to a political place for BS. It's been fun.
Regards, KI4HXT Robert Davies
Robert, it's a simple matter of the judicious use of the ole delete key with regard to the offending poster.
73, Garie -K8KFJ-
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Luc is a TROLL. He feeds on hate and discontent that he stirs up on the BB. Quit feeding the Troll and he will either die, or go somewhere else.
Garie is correct, use your delete key or block him from your email.
73,
Woody KJ4SO
----- Original Message ----- From: "Garie Halstead K8KFJ" khyberpass65@yahoo.com To: "AMSAT-BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 5:37 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Petition to block Luc from the -bb
--- Robert Davies ki4hxt@amsat.org wrote:
You are correct I guess I can't handle it. Now that the -bb has shifted from being a technical place for learning to a political place for BS. It's been fun.
Regards, KI4HXT Robert Davies
Robert, it's a simple matter of the judicious use of the ole delete key with regard to the offending poster.
73, Garie -K8KFJ-
Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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