Is a UHF circular polarization antenna needed for the current operational satellites? I am planning some work on my antenna system and wonder if the CP is needed, or actually, deteriorate the signal by 3dB if the satellites are using linear antennae??
When you check, please note that some are LHCP and some are RHCP.
John
-------------------------------------------------- From: "David 4X1DG" [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Circular polarization
Is a UHF circular polarization antenna needed for the current operational satellites? I am planning some work on my antenna system and wonder if the CP is needed, or actually, deteriorate the signal by 3dB if the satellites are using linear antennae??
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Hi David, The short answer is NO.
But there are more to it than that :-)
I think I still have an article about that if you are interested.
73 OZ1MY/Ib
-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] På vegne af David 4X1DG Sendt: 13 May 2012 18:31 Til: [email protected] Emne: [amsat-bb] Circular polarization
Is a UHF circular polarization antenna needed for the current operational satellites? I am planning some work on my antenna system and wonder if the CP is needed, or actually, deteriorate the signal by 3dB if the satellites are using linear antennae??
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Agreed... occasionally, sometimes left, right, vertical or horiz will be best. Then is that for the up or downlink ? Essentially I have discovered it is a crap shoot. Whatever works at any given moment may not work (that well) a few minutes later. I believe Domenico had a scheme for switching any of the four. These uncertainty's make it fun.
still rebuilding all antennas
73 Bob W7LRD
Seattle
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From: " Ib Christoffersen " <oz1my@ privat . dk > To: "David 4X1DG" <4x1dg@ iarc .org>, amsat -bb@ amsat .org Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:44:55 AM Subject: [ amsat -bb] Re: Circular polarization
Hi David, The short answer is NO.
But there are more to it than that :-)
I think I still have an article about that if you are interested.
73 OZ1MY/ Ib
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Is a UHF circular polarization antenna needed for the current operational satellites? I am planning some work on my antenna system and wonder if the CP is needed, or actually, deteriorate the signal by 3dB if the satellites are using linear antennae??
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On Sun, 13 May 2012 20:13:40 +0200, Bob- W7LRD [email protected] wrote:
Agreed... occasionally, sometimes left, right, vertical or horiz will be best. Then is that for the up or downlink ? Essentially I have discovered it is a crap shoot. Whatever works at any given moment may not work (that well) a few minutes later. I believe Domenico had a scheme for switching any of the four. These uncertainty's make it fun.
still rebuilding all antennas
73 Bob W7LRD
Seattle
----- Original Message -----
From: " Ib Christoffersen " <oz1my@ privat . dk > To: "David 4X1DG" <4x1dg@ iarc .org>, amsat -bb@ amsat .org Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:44:55 AM Subject: [ amsat -bb] Re: Circular polarization
Hi David, The short answer is NO.
But there are more to it than that :-)
I think I still have an article about that if you are interested.
73 OZ1MY/ Ib
----- Oprindelig meddelelse ----- Fra : amsat -bb-bounces@ amsat .org [ mailto : amsat -bb-bounces@ amsat .org] På vegne af David 4X1DG Sendt : 13 May 2012 18:31 Til: amsat -bb@ amsat .org Emne : [ amsat -bb] Circular polarization
Is a UHF circular polarization antenna needed for the current operational satellites? I am planning some work on my antenna system and wonder if the CP is needed, or actually, deteriorate the signal by 3dB if the satellites are using linear antennae??
The best option would probably be a rotatable antenna, a sat will never be fully horizontal vertical or circular, sometimes it even makes a difference when you flip 180 degrees.
On Sun, 13 May 2012 20:13:40 +0200, Bob- W7LRD [email protected] wrote:
Agreed... occasionally, sometimes left, right, vertical or horiz will be best. Then is that for the up or downlink ? Essentially I have discovered it is a crap shoot. Whatever works at any given moment may not work (that well) a few minutes later. I believe Domenico had a scheme for switching any of the four. These uncertainty's make it fun.
still rebuilding all antennas
73 Bob W7LRD
Seattle
----- Original Message -----
From: " Ib Christoffersen " <oz1my@ privat . dk > To: "David 4X1DG" <4x1dg@ iarc .org>, amsat -bb@ amsat .org Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:44:55 AM Subject: [ amsat -bb] Re: Circular polarization
Hi David, The short answer is NO.
But there are more to it than that :-)
I think I still have an article about that if you are interested.
73 OZ1MY/ Ib
----- Oprindelig meddelelse ----- Fra : amsat -bb-bounces@ amsat .org [ mailto : amsat -bb-bounces@ amsat .org] På vegne af David 4X1DG Sendt : 13 May 2012 18:31 Til: amsat -bb@ amsat .org Emne : [ amsat -bb] Circular polarization
Is a UHF circular polarization antenna needed for the current operational satellites? I am planning some work on my antenna system and wonder if the CP is needed, or actually, deteriorate the signal by 3dB if the satellites are using linear antennae??
The best option would probably be a rotatable antenna, a sat will never be fully horizontal vertical or circular, sometimes it even makes a difference when you flip 180 degrees.
---- Original Message ----- From: "David 4X1DG" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 6:30 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Circular polarization
Is a UHF circular polarization antenna needed for the current operational satellites? I am planning some work on my antenna system and wonder if the CP is needed, or actually, deteriorate the signal by 3dB if the satellites are using linear antennae??
The best option would probably be a rotatable antenna, a sat will never be fully horizontal vertical or circular, sometimes it even makes a difference when you flip 180 degrees.
-- 73 Andre PE1RDW
Hi Andre, PE1RDW
I agree.
A rotatable boom by 90 degrees is a very good option for a linear antenna because in a certain moment a sat can send to you a polarization between linear or through circular i.e. an elliptical polarization that can be matched by turning the antenna over the boom.
BTW since the polarization changes very rapidly the speed of rotation of the boom must be very fast, let say maximum 10 seconds or less to rotate from 0° to 90°
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "David 4X1DG" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 6:30 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Circular polarization
Is a UHF circular polarization antenna needed for the current operational satellites? I am planning some work on my antenna system and wonder if the CP is needed, or actually, deteriorate the signal by 3dB if the satellites are using linear antennae??
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob- W7LRD" [email protected] To: "Ib Christoffersen" [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; "David 4X1DG" [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:13 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Circular polarization
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I believe Domenico had a scheme for switching any of the four. These uncertainty's make it fun.
still rebuilding all antennas
73 Bob W7LRD
Seattle
Hi Bob, W7LRD
My articles "SWITCHING FOUR POLARIZATION ON A 70 cm CROSSED YAGI" was published in AMSAT-Journal March/April 2007 Part-1 and May/June 2007 Part-2
I can send both articles in pdf files to anyone is interested on it.
73" de i8CVS Domenico
http://www.pa3guo.com/cushcraft_416tb.html
-----Mensaje original----- De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de i8cvs Enviado el: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 20:44 Para: Bob- W7LRD; Ib Christoffersen CC: Amsat - BBs; David 4X1DG Asunto: [amsat-bb] Re: Circular polarization
----- Original Message ----- From: "David 4X1DG" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 6:30 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Circular polarization
Is a UHF circular polarization antenna needed for the current operational satellites? I am planning some work on my antenna system and wonder if the CP is needed, or actually, deteriorate the signal by 3dB if the satellites are using linear antennae??
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob- W7LRD" [email protected] To: "Ib Christoffersen" [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; "David 4X1DG" [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:13 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Circular polarization
<snip>
I believe Domenico had a scheme for switching any of the four. These uncertainty's make it fun.
still rebuilding all antennas
73 Bob W7LRD
Seattle
Hi Bob, W7LRD
My articles "SWITCHING FOUR POLARIZATION ON A 70 cm CROSSED YAGI" was published in AMSAT-Journal March/April 2007 Part-1 and May/June 2007 Part-2
I can send both articles in pdf files to anyone is interested on it.
73" de i8CVS Domenico _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
I've found circular gives consistantly better results than a linear polarized antenna with the current amateur satellites.
The IARU-R1 VHF Managers Handbook mentions standards for polarization on page 122. It can be downloaded at http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=173&fu...
73 Trevor M5AKA
--- On Sun, 13/5/12, David 4X1DG [email protected] wrote:
Is a UHF circular polarization antenna needed for the current operational satellites? I am planning some work on my antenna system and wonder if the CP is needed, or actually, deteriorate the signal by 3dB if the satellites are using linear antennae??
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That has been my assessment and experience, too. Signals are consistent and there isn't any fiddling or switching polarization to worry about although I do find different results in signal strength between RHCP and LHCP on the same satellite sometimes.
73, Jerry N0JY
On 5/13/2012 3:59 PM, Trevor . wrote:
I've found circular gives consistantly better results than a linear polarized antenna with the current amateur satellites.
The IARU-R1 VHF Managers Handbook mentions standards for polarization on page 122. It can be downloaded at http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=173&fu...
73 Trevor M5AKA
--- On Sun, 13/5/12, David 4X1DG[email protected] wrote:
Is a UHF circular polarization antenna needed for the current operational satellites? I am planning some work on my antenna system and wonder if the CP is needed, or actually, deteriorate the signal by 3dB if the satellites are using linear antennae??
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----- Original Message ----- From: "David 4X1DG" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 6:30 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Circular polarization
Is a UHF circular polarization antenna needed for the current operational satellites? I am planning some work on my antenna system and wonder if the CP is needed, or actually, deteriorate the signal by 3dB if the satellites are using linear antennae??
Hi David, 4X1DG
It is a long matter to explain in a few words so that in a separate email I have sent to you the 5 MB zipped file of the following nice article:
"The Advantages of Circular Polarization for Amateur Satellite Ground Stations" by John J. Nagle, K4KJ
I can send the above artiche to anybody interested to it.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
Hi David,
Here is my advice:
If you choose circular, you really need to be able to switch between RHCP and LHCP. If you are fixed on only one polarity, you are worse off then just using vertical (or horizontal).
So, if you cannot switch, I suggest vertical (or horizontal if you do SSB local/DX).
73,
Mark N8MH
At 07:30 PM 5/13/2012 +0300, David 4X1DG wrote:
Is a UHF circular polarization antenna needed for the current operational satellites? I am planning some work on my antenna system and wonder if the CP is needed, or actually, deteriorate the signal by 3dB if the satellites are using linear antennae??
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