For everyones info:

I did do all as described in the help, AND what many here on the list said to do, and nothing worked. It kept crashing.

Till one person suggested running the program as Administrator mode.

I tried that and it's ran perfectly ever since! I just LOVE that little program!

Tom did a great Job with it! I really love the simple second station thing where with a single click you can see when there are passes where both stations have the bird in view, soooo cool.

Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 9/24/2016 10:36 AM, Thomas Doyle wrote:

Hi,

I did break with the long ham tradition of not reading manuals or help files and tried adding the file Joe mentioned using the procedure outlined in my help file. And it worked perfectly.

Here is the resultant "WebDataSources.txt" file

http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/amateur.txt, Celestrak-Amateur.txt http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/weather.txt, Celestrak-Weather.txt http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/stations.txt, Celestrak-Stations.txt http://celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/tle-new.txt, Celestrak-New.txt http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt, Amsat-nasabare.txt

Here is the information you will see if you click on the rarely used "Help" button in my program :-)

===== *Optional Really Advanced Feature* ======

*--- Manage TLE Data ---* The program distribution comes set up in a way that should handle the needs of most users. If you are a very advanced computer user and have a very good understanding of satellite tracking and need more continue reading. The program obtains TLE data two ways. Direct download from the internet is the easiest. Manual entry of TLE data can also be used. The program distribution is set up to download TLE data from the following sites.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/amateur.txt

The program also allows manual entry of TLE data. The TLE data format is the traditional three line format as shown in the sample for AO-10 shown below. The first line contains the satellite name followed by the two lines of TLE data. If the format is not correct - it will not work. To add TLE data first create a text file. Cut and paste the TLE data into the file. Remember the first line is the satellite name followed by the two lines of TLE data. When the file is ready, change the file extension of the file to .tle and put it into the 'SimpleSatData/SatData/ManualSatData' folder. You may put as many satellites in a file as you wish and you may have as many files as needed.

As expected the TLE data you enter this way is not deleted when a web update is done. This TLE data is also not updated when you do an web update. As a reminder to myself that this is manual data I put ( ) around the satellite name. This may not seem important to you now but it is very helpful.

In the 'SimpleSatData/SatData' folder you will find a file 'WebDataSources.txt'. This file controls which web data sources are used by the program. If you are a very advanced computer user and have a very good understanding of satellite tracking you can modify this file to add additional web data sources. Note that a ' - ' at the start of a line tells the program not use this source. The file name after the comma is the file name that will be used to store the TLE data downloaded from the site specified in the URL before the comma. The file name after the comma less the file extension is what is used to identify the 'Web Data Source' in the setup function. It is possible to really screw things up if this is not done correctly so if you are not a very advanced computer user or do not thoroughly understand satellite tracking I recommend staying away from this entirely. ===========================================================

Be sure to click on the "Web Update" button after updating your WebDataSources.txt file.

If you follow the directions and it does not work the problem lies somewhere in your computer not the program.

Hope it works out ok for you.

73 W9KE Tom Doyle

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Joe nss@mwt.net wrote:

...

Anyone else here using this program?

I'm having a problem adding in the nasabare http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt source. When I do the program crashes.

Joe WB9SBD

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Excuse me for jumping in, but to expand on Tom's comment about running programs in newer versions of Windows, you can cure a long list of problems when it comes to running custom applications (3rd party hobby apps, scripts you write yourself, etc.) with a simple adjustment.

In your "Home" folder, create a new folder called "Apps" (or whatever you prefer, but no spaces in the name - just to be safe).

For reference, this new folder would be side-by-side with your Documents, Pictures, Downloads, Music, & so on.

Then, as you install programs OTHER THAN the big, store-bought applications, do NOT use the default folder location that is suggested during the install [normally c:\Program Files -or- c:\Program Files (x86)].

Instead, put all of your recreational programs in the new "Apps" folder in your home directory where you have full permission to read/write/delete files.

Now, the excellent software written by folks in the amateur community and any small scripts that you might make yourself can run without running into the permission issues that newer versions of Windows have instituted.

Naturally all this comes with the caveat to use extreme caution about what you install on your computer! Please protect yourself by only installing software from trustworthy sources, preferably apps that others are already using successfully.

I hope this is helpful.

-Scott, K4KDR Montpelier, VA USA

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-----Original Message----- From: Thomas Doyle Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 12:12 PM To: Joe Cc: AMSAT Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Sat Look Down

Joe,

Glad everything worked out. When Microsoft tightened up the security on Windows to allow better access control it did require programs that did more than basic stuff to run with Administrative rights which had to be set by an user with administrative rights. It is amazing how many posts you see on windows developers sites asking how to set the program rights to Administrative from within the program - it would sort of defeat the purpose of the whole thing. The only way to eliminate the run as administrator requirement is to hold an expensive fancy developers license.

I had not looked at my 'SimpleSat Look Down' program in several years. I have a habit of being more interested in new things and sort of move on to a new challenge when something is working.

At a very early age my mother noticed my tendency to get bored when things were working and move on to something new. She told me to never have any children. "You will get bored with them, move on to something new and they will starve to death." My web site is a good indication of how wise my mother was.

http://www.tomdoyle.org

73 W9KE Tom Doyle

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Joe nss@mwt.net wrote:

For everyones info:

I did do all as described in the help, AND what many here on the list said to do, and nothing worked. It kept crashing.

Till one person suggested running the program as Administrator mode.

I tried that and it's ran perfectly ever since! I just LOVE that little program!

Tom did a great Job with it! I really love the simple second station thing where with a single click you can see when there are passes where both stations have the bird in view, soooo cool.

Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 9/24/2016 10:36 AM, Thomas Doyle wrote:

...

Hi,

I did break with the long ham tradition of not reading manuals or help files and tried adding the file Joe mentioned using the procedure outlined in my help file. And it worked perfectly.

Here is the resultant "WebDataSources.txt" file

http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/amateur.txt, Celestrak-Amateur.txt http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/weather.txt, Celestrak-Weather.txt http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/stations.txt, Celestrak-Stations.txt http://celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/tle-new.txt, Celestrak-New.txt http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt, Amsat-nasabare.txt

Here is the information you will see if you click on the rarely used "Help" button in my program :-)

===== *Optional Really Advanced Feature* ======

*--- Manage TLE Data ---* The program distribution comes set up in a way that should handle the needs of most users. If you are a very advanced computer user and have a very good understanding of satellite tracking and need more continue reading. The program obtains TLE data two ways. Direct download from the internet is the easiest. Manual entry of TLE data can also be used. The program distribution is set up to download TLE data from the following sites.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/amateur.txt

The program also allows manual entry of TLE data. The TLE data format is the traditional three line format as shown in the sample for AO-10 shown below. The first line contains the satellite name followed by the two lines of TLE data. If the format is not correct - it will not work. To add TLE data first create a text file. Cut and paste the TLE data into the file. Remember the first line is the satellite name followed by the two lines of TLE data. When the file is ready, change the file extension of the file to .tle and put it into the 'SimpleSatData/SatData/ManualSatData' folder. You may put as many satellites in a file as you wish and you may have as many files as needed.

As expected the TLE data you enter this way is not deleted when a web update is done. This TLE data is also not updated when you do an web update. As a reminder to myself that this is manual data I put ( ) around the satellite name. This may not seem important to you now but it is very helpful.

In the 'SimpleSatData/SatData' folder you will find a file 'WebDataSources.txt'. This file controls which web data sources are used by the program. If you are a very advanced computer user and have a very good understanding of satellite tracking you can modify this file to add additional web data sources. Note that a ' - ' at the start of a line tells the program not use this source. The file name after the comma is the file name that will be used to store the TLE data downloaded from the site specified in the URL before the comma. The file name after the comma less the file extension is what is used to identify the 'Web Data Source' in the setup function. It is possible to really screw things up if this is not done correctly so if you are not a very advanced computer user or do not thoroughly understand satellite tracking I recommend staying away from this entirely. ===========================================================

Be sure to click on the "Web Update" button after updating your WebDataSources.txt file.

If you follow the directions and it does not work the problem lies somewhere in your computer not the program.

Hope it works out ok for you.

73 W9KE Tom Doyle

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Joe nss@mwt.net wrote:

Anyone else here using this program?

...

I'm having a problem adding in the nasabare http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt source. When I do the program crashes.

Joe WB9SBD

Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com

I love it advanced computer user

Heck what qualifies a non advanced PC user

A

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On 25 Sep 2016, at 01:36, Thomas Doyle tomdoyle1948@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I did break with the long ham tradition of not reading manuals or help files and tried adding the file Joe mentioned using the procedure outlined in my help file. And it worked perfectly.

Here is the resultant "WebDataSources.txt" file

http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/amateur.txt, Celestrak-Amateur.txt http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/weather.txt, Celestrak-Weather.txt http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/stations.txt, Celestrak-Stations.txt http://celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/tle-new.txt, Celestrak-New.txt http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt, Amsat-nasabare.txt

Here is the information you will see if you click on the rarely used "Help" button in my program :-)

===== *Optional Really Advanced Feature* ======

*--- Manage TLE Data ---* The program distribution comes set up in a way that should handle the needs of most users. If you are a very advanced computer user and have a very good understanding of satellite tracking and need more continue reading. The program obtains TLE data two ways. Direct download from the internet is the easiest. Manual entry of TLE data can also be used. The program distribution is set up to download TLE data from the following sites.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/amateur.txt

The program also allows manual entry of TLE data. The TLE data format is the traditional three line format as shown in the sample for AO-10 shown below. The first line contains the satellite name followed by the two lines of TLE data. If the format is not correct - it will not work. To add TLE data first create a text file. Cut and paste the TLE data into the file. Remember the first line is the satellite name followed by the two lines of TLE data. When the file is ready, change the file extension of the file to .tle and put it into the 'SimpleSatData/SatData/ManualSatData' folder. You may put as many satellites in a file as you wish and you may have as many files as needed.

As expected the TLE data you enter this way is not deleted when a web update is done. This TLE data is also not updated when you do an web update. As a reminder to myself that this is manual data I put ( ) around the satellite name. This may not seem important to you now but it is very helpful.

In the 'SimpleSatData/SatData' folder you will find a file 'WebDataSources.txt'. This file controls which web data sources are used by the program. If you are a very advanced computer user and have a very good understanding of satellite tracking you can modify this file to add additional web data sources. Note that a ' - ' at the start of a line tells the program not use this source. The file name after the comma is the file name that will be used to store the TLE data downloaded from the site specified in the URL before the comma. The file name after the comma less the file extension is what is used to identify the 'Web Data Source' in the setup function. It is possible to really screw things up if this is not done correctly so if you are not a very advanced computer user or do not thoroughly understand satellite tracking I recommend staying away from this entirely. ===========================================================

Be sure to click on the "Web Update" button after updating your WebDataSources.txt file.

If you follow the directions and it does not work the problem lies somewhere in your computer not the program.

Hope it works out ok for you.

73 W9KE Tom Doyle

...

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Joe nss@mwt.net wrote:

Anyone else here using this program?

I'm having a problem adding in the nasabare http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt source. When I do the program crashes.

Joe WB9SBD

Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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