https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&applic...
Am I reading this right? A commercial s/c operating on 145.825???? This is the camels nose under the tent, using our own packet network for automated telemetry?
I can understand the uni cubesats on UHF, butthis is OUR primary allocation. We really need to protest this vehemently if they were approved.
73, Drew KO4MA
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http://www.amsatuk.me.uk/iaru/finished_detail.php?serialnum=220
And evidently coordinated by IARU!
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 3, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com wrote:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&applic...
Am I reading this right? A commercial s/c operating on 145.825???? This is the camels nose under the tent, using our own packet network for automated telemetry?
I can understand the uni cubesats on UHF, butthis is OUR primary allocation. We really need to protest this vehemently if they were approved.
73, Drew KO4MA
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On 10/03/2012 08:52 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
http://www.amsatuk.me.uk/iaru/finished_detail.php?serialnum=220
And evidently coordinated by IARU!
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 3, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Andrew Glasbrennerglasbrenner@mindspring.com wrote:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&applic...
Am I reading this right? A commercial s/c operating on 145.825???? This is the camels nose under the tent, using our own packet network for automated telemetry?
I can understand the uni cubesats on UHF, butthis is OUR primary allocation. We really need to protest this vehemently if they were approved.
73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Via the BOD mailing list at AMSAT.ORG courtesy of AMSAT-NA http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/bod
Seems like we're all about to receive an education!
Hi,
The role of the IARU frequency coordination process seems to be misunderstood.
The IARU Administrative Council tells the Satellite Advisor and his Panel to recommend frequencies for everyone who comes with a request in order to keep some order in the band.
The Satellite Advisor and Panel have no authority at all, particularly to decide which projects qualify for the amateur-satellite service and which do not, though we often raise our concern in coordination letters.
All authority rests with national administrations; not with IARU and not with ITU.
If you do not like what you see, let the authorizing administration (FCC) know and why, in detail, citing rules and regulations in a way to be persuasive.
I hope this helps.
73, art….. W4ART Arlington VA
On 3-Oct-2012, at 08:58 PM, Gus 8P6SM 8p6sm@anjo.com wrote:
On 10/03/2012 08:52 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
http://www.amsatuk.me.uk/iaru/finished_detail.php?serialnum=220
And evidently coordinated by IARU!
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 3, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Andrew Glasbrennerglasbrenner@mindspring.com wrote:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&applic...
Am I reading this right? A commercial s/c operating on 145.825???? This is the camels nose under the tent, using our own packet network for automated telemetry?
I can understand the uni cubesats on UHF, butthis is OUR primary allocation. We really need to protest this vehemently if they were approved.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Seems like we're all about to receive an education!
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Public opinion rarely considers the needs of the next generation or the history of the last. It is frequently hampered by myths and misinformation, by stereotypes and shibboleths, and by an inate resistance to innovation. -Theodore C. Sorensen, presidential advisor, lawyer, and writer (1928-2010)
Thanks Art,
Point well made. Now out of curiosity, did the IARU raise concerns about this specific request?
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Arthur Feller afeller@ieee.org wrote:
Hi,
The role of the IARU frequency coordination process seems to be misunderstood.
The IARU Administrative Council tells the Satellite Advisor and his Panel to recommend frequencies for everyone who comes with a request in order to keep some order in the band.
The Satellite Advisor and Panel have no authority at all, particularly to decide which projects qualify for the amateur-satellite service and which do not, though we often raise our concern in coordination letters.
All authority rests with national administrations; not with IARU and not with ITU.
If you do not like what you see, let the authorizing administration (FCC) know and why, in detail, citing rules and regulations in a way to be persuasive.
I hope this helps.
73, art….. W4ART Arlington VA
On 3-Oct-2012, at 08:58 PM, Gus 8P6SM 8p6sm@anjo.com wrote:
On 10/03/2012 08:52 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
http://www.amsatuk.me.uk/iaru/finished_detail.php?serialnum=220
And evidently coordinated by IARU!
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 3, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner<
glasbrenner@mindspring.com> wrote:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&applic...
Am I reading this right? A commercial s/c operating on 145.825????
This is the camels nose under the tent, using our own packet network for automated telemetry?
I can understand the uni cubesats on UHF, butthis is OUR primary
allocation. We really need to protest this vehemently if they were approved.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Seems like we're all about to receive an education!
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program!
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Public opinion rarely considers the needs of the next generation or the history of the last. It is frequently hampered by myths and misinformation, by stereotypes and shibboleths, and by an inate resistance to innovation. -Theodore C. Sorensen, presidential advisor, lawyer, and writer (1928-2010)
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Thanks, Stephan. The whole process is described at: http://www.iaru.org/satellite in a paper called "Amateur Satellites." Suggest reading it.
I'd have to find the coordination letter to know what was said, as I've got a less than wonderful memory. Will look around if I can.
73, art….. W4ART Arlington VA
On 3-Oct-2012, at 11:06 PM, Stefan Wagener wageners@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Art,
Point well made. Now out of curiosity, did the IARU raise concerns about this specific request?
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Arthur Feller afeller@ieee.org wrote: Hi,
The role of the IARU frequency coordination process seems to be misunderstood.
The IARU Administrative Council tells the Satellite Advisor and his Panel to recommend frequencies for everyone who comes with a request in order to keep some order in the band.
The Satellite Advisor and Panel have no authority at all, particularly to decide which projects qualify for the amateur-satellite service and which do not, though we often raise our concern in coordination letters.
All authority rests with national administrations; not with IARU and not with ITU.
If you do not like what you see, let the authorizing administration (FCC) know and why, in detail, citing rules and regulations in a way to be persuasive.
I hope this helps.
73, art….. W4ART Arlington VA
On 3-Oct-2012, at 08:58 PM, Gus 8P6SM 8p6sm@anjo.com wrote:
On 10/03/2012 08:52 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
http://www.amsatuk.me.uk/iaru/finished_detail.php?serialnum=220
And evidently coordinated by IARU!
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 3, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Andrew Glasbrennerglasbrenner@mindspring.com wrote:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&applic...
Am I reading this right? A commercial s/c operating on 145.825???? This is the camels nose under the tent, using our own packet network for automated telemetry?
I can understand the uni cubesats on UHF, butthis is OUR primary allocation. We really need to protest this vehemently if they were approved.
73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Via the BOD mailing list at AMSAT.ORG courtesy of AMSAT-NA http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/bod
Seems like we're all about to receive an education!
-- 73, de Gus 8P6SM The Easternmost Isle _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Public opinion rarely considers the needs of the next generation or the history of the last. It is frequently hampered by myths and misinformation, by stereotypes and shibboleths, and by an inate resistance to innovation. -Theodore C. Sorensen, presidential advisor, lawyer, and writer (1928-2010)
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Public opinion rarely considers the needs of the next generation or the history of the last. It is frequently hampered by myths and misinformation, by stereotypes and shibboleths, and by an inate resistance to innovation. -Theodore C. Sorensen, presidential advisor, lawyer, and writer (1928-2010)
Hi again, Stephan,
Found the coordination letter. Issues relating to qualification for an amateur service and for operating an amateur station on behalf of an employer were raised. In the end, the matter is in FCC's hands.
73, art….. W4ART Arlington VA
On 3-Oct-2012, at 11:06 PM, Stefan Wagener wageners@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Art,
Point well made. Now out of curiosity, did the IARU raise concerns about this specific request?
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Arthur Feller afeller@ieee.org wrote: Hi,
The role of the IARU frequency coordination process seems to be misunderstood.
The IARU Administrative Council tells the Satellite Advisor and his Panel to recommend frequencies for everyone who comes with a request in order to keep some order in the band.
The Satellite Advisor and Panel have no authority at all, particularly to decide which projects qualify for the amateur-satellite service and which do not, though we often raise our concern in coordination letters.
All authority rests with national administrations; not with IARU and not with ITU.
If you do not like what you see, let the authorizing administration (FCC) know and why, in detail, citing rules and regulations in a way to be persuasive.
I hope this helps.
73, art….. W4ART Arlington VA
On 3-Oct-2012, at 08:58 PM, Gus 8P6SM 8p6sm@anjo.com wrote:
On 10/03/2012 08:52 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
http://www.amsatuk.me.uk/iaru/finished_detail.php?serialnum=220
And evidently coordinated by IARU!
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 3, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Andrew Glasbrennerglasbrenner@mindspring.com wrote:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&applic...
Am I reading this right? A commercial s/c operating on 145.825???? This is the camels nose under the tent, using our own packet network for automated telemetry?
I can understand the uni cubesats on UHF, butthis is OUR primary allocation. We really need to protest this vehemently if they were approved.
73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Via the BOD mailing list at AMSAT.ORG courtesy of AMSAT-NA http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/bod
Seems like we're all about to receive an education!
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Public opinion rarely considers the needs of the next generation or the history of the last. It is frequently hampered by myths and misinformation, by stereotypes and shibboleths, and by an inate resistance to innovation. -Theodore C. Sorensen, presidential advisor, lawyer, and writer (1928-2010)
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Public opinion rarely considers the needs of the next generation or the history of the last. It is frequently hampered by myths and misinformation, by stereotypes and shibboleths, and by an inate resistance to innovation. -Theodore C. Sorensen, presidential advisor, lawyer, and writer (1928-2010)
At 11:21 AM 10/4/2012, Arthur Feller wrote:
If you do not like what you see, let the authorizing administration (FCC) know and why, in detail, citing rules and regulations in a way to be persuasive.
Well, it would seem to go against the definition of the Amateur and Amateur Satellite Service.
From the FCC website (after 10 seconds of Googling :) )
"Amateur Radio Service
The amateur and amateur-satellite services are for qualified persons of any age who are interested in radio technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary interest. These services present an opportunity for self-training, intercommunication, and technical investigations. You can read more about amateur radio services including information about the Sequential Call Sign System, vanity call signs, communications, and more."
How does a commercial satellite fall under the "without pecuniary interest" part?
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
Here is more information
http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/dove-1.htm
Cosmgia Inc website is down. Does not look good for the credibility of the IARU.
Dave
David A. Donaldson WB7DRU Burnsville, MN: EN34ij NAVYMARS:NNN0AXK SKYPE NAME:WB7DEU Sent from my Kindle Fire.
-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com To: Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com Cc: AMSAT BoD bod@amsat.org, Amsat BB amsat-bb@amsat.org, AMSAT Advisors Advisors@amsat.org Sent: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 7:55 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [Bod] Experimental COMMERCIAL spacecraft on 2meters
http://www.amsatuk.me.uk/iaru/finished_detail.php?serialnum=220
And evidently coordinated by IARU!
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 3, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com wrote:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&applic...
Am I reading this right? A commercial s/c operating on 145.825???? This is the camels nose under the tent, using our own packet network for automated telemetry?
I can understand the uni cubesats on UHF, butthis is OUR primary allocation. We really need to protest this vehemently if they were approved.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Hi Dave,
I assume you read the post by Art (W4ART) in the beginning of this message post? Please also refer to:
http://www.iaru.org/satellite/
This has nothing to do with the IARU (Satellite Advisor's Advisory Panel). They are a coordination panel not an approval body.
Hope this helps,
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:43 AM, David Donaldson wb7dru@usfamily.netwrote:
Here is more information
http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/dove-1.htm
Cosmgia Inc website is down. Does not look good for the credibility of the IARU.
Dave
David A. Donaldson WB7DRU Burnsville, MN: EN34ij NAVYMARS:NNN0AXK SKYPE NAME:WB7DEU Sent from my Kindle Fire.
-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com To: Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com Cc: AMSAT BoD bod@amsat.org, Amsat BB amsat-bb@amsat.org, AMSAT Advisors Advisors@amsat.org Sent: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 7:55 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [Bod] Experimental COMMERCIAL spacecraft on 2meters
http://www.amsatuk.me.uk/iaru/finished_detail.php?serialnum=220
And evidently coordinated by IARU!
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 3, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com wrote:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&applic...
Am I reading this right? A commercial s/c operating on 145.825???? This
is the camels nose under the tent, using our own packet network for automated telemetry?
I can understand the uni cubesats on UHF, butthis is OUR primary
allocation. We really need to protest this vehemently if they were approved.
73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Via the BOD mailing list at AMSAT.ORG courtesy of AMSAT-NA http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/bod
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On 04/10/12 01:47, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&applic...
Am I reading this right? A commercial s/c operating on 145.825???? This is the camels nose under the tent, using our own packet network for automated telemetry?
I can understand the uni cubesats on UHF, butthis is OUR primary allocation. We really need to protest this vehemently if they were approved.
The other way to look at this is, they have the wherewithal to get something launched and we don't. If they play nice, we'll play nice. It's no extra hassle to receive and pass on the downlink telemetry from this sat, and hey maybe if they fly a bent pipe for us on the next one we'll help them out even more!
--- On Thu, 4/10/12, Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com wrote:
but this is OUR primary allocation. We really need to protest this vehemently if they were approved.
An issue relating to non-amateur satellites that are issued 437 MHz experimental licenses by the FCC or other national regulator is the use of Primary amateur frequencies at 145 MHz for command and control purposes.
The use of Primary amateur frequencies (145 uplink) to communicate with and control a non-amateur commercial or scientific satellite is just as much a problem as downlinks in a Primary allocation.
73 Trevor M5AKA
Although this guy should know better it is the IARU that really needs a wake up call:
"The Amateur frequency has already been coordinated by the IARU. "
-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Glasbrenner Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:47 PM To: AMSAT Advisors Cc: AMSAT BoD ; Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Experimental COMMERCIAL spacecraft on 2meters
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&applic...
Am I reading this right? A commercial s/c operating on 145.825???? This is the camels nose under the tent, using our own packet network for automated telemetry?
I can understand the uni cubesats on UHF, butthis is OUR primary allocation. We really need to protest this vehemently if they were approved.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Hi Drew,
As Art has stated, the authority having jurisdiction, is the National one - in this case the FCC. As your link shows, they have decided to licence this spacecraft on 145.825MHz but to operate in the "Experimental" service not , our, "Amateur Satellite Service". Of course we have a "primary" ITU allocation on this frequency but this is not an "exclusive" one.
best 73
Graham G3VZV
-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Glasbrenner Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 1:47 AM To: AMSAT Advisors Cc: AMSAT BoD ; Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Experimental COMMERCIAL spacecraft on 2meters
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&applic...
Am I reading this right? A commercial s/c operating on 145.825???? This is the camels nose under the tent, using our own packet network for automated telemetry?
I can understand the uni cubesats on UHF, butthis is OUR primary allocation. We really need to protest this vehemently if they were approved.
73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Andrew Glasbrenner -
Arthur Feller -
David Donaldson -
Gordon JC Pearce -
Graham Shirville -
Gus 8P6SM -
John / NS1Z -
Stefan Wagener -
Tony Langdon -
Trevor .