Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 13, Issue 218
AO-92 FM on FD... what a mess, wish it was in L-band today.. , perhapswould be better to score points just for listening ONLY and getting call sign's + exchange from the bird to get more operators HEARING the bird and less trying to transmit without being able to hear it...say 1 point for each callsign and exchange monitored...and 2 for each qso after the first one.... something to get guys listening more and less trying to key them up ( perhaps for first time... ) just a thought...ko6kLaudio recording. http://www.valleymedia.org/satchat/2018-06-24-1800z--AO92-FM-Uv--CQFD-mess-k...
http://www.valleymedia.org/satchat/2018-06-23-2033z-sat-Ao-91-cq-fd-mess-ham...
One alternative for scoring could be to adopt the approach used for Winter Field Day. For Winter Field Day, a station can net a 1500-point bonus for one satellite QSO. There are no additional points for subsequent QSOs. Not saying that 1500 points would be awarded for an ARRL Field Day satellite QSO, but more than 100 points.
73,
Mac Cody / AE5PH
On 06/24/2018 01:20 PM, Mr B r a d via AMSAT-BB wrote:
AO-92 FM on FD... what a mess, wish it was in L-band today.. , perhapswould be better to score points just for listening ONLY and getting call sign's + exchange from the bird to get more operators HEARING the bird and less trying to transmit without being able to hear it...say 1 point for each callsign and exchange monitored...and 2 for each qso after the first one.... something to get guys listening more and less trying to key them up ( perhaps for first time... ) just a thought...ko6kLaudio recording. http://www.valleymedia.org/satchat/2018-06-24-1800z--AO92-FM-Uv--CQFD-mess-k...
http://www.valleymedia.org/satchat/2018-06-23-2033z-sat-Ao-91-cq-fd-mess-ham...
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The Winter FD event is new, and has a much smaller participation compared to the summer event. I don't think what worked for the winter event can scale to the summer one. Imagine the chaos that would be caused by having a large prize awarded for a satellite contact in the summer event, causing a correspondingly large number of participants to attempt a contact. It would certainly bring additional attention and interest in making a satellite contact; perhaps too much.
But, your point about not having additional points awarded is good; perhaps even take away points for multiple contacts on the FM birds.
Greg KO6TH
Mac A. Cody wrote:
One alternative for scoring could be to adopt the approach used for Winter Field Day. For Winter Field Day, a station can net a 1500-point bonus for one satellite QSO. There are no additional points for subsequent QSOs. Not saying that 1500 points would be awarded for an ARRL Field Day satellite QSO, but more than 100 points.
73,
Mac Cody / AE5PH
On 06/24/2018 01:20 PM, Mr B r a d via AMSAT-BB wrote:
AO-92 FM on FD... what a mess, wish it was in L-band today.. , perhapswould be better to score points just for listening ONLY and getting call sign's + exchange from the bird to get more operators HEARING the bird and less trying to transmit without being able to hear it...say 1 point for each callsign and exchange monitored...and 2 for each qso after the first one.... something to get guys listening more and less trying to key them up ( perhaps for first time... ) just a thought...ko6kLaudio recording. http://www.valleymedia.org/satchat/2018-06-24-1800z--AO92-FM-Uv--CQFD-mess-k...
http://www.valleymedia.org/satchat/2018-06-23-2033z-sat-Ao-91-cq-fd-mess-ham...
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Greg,
Yeah. Icertainly wouldn't make the bonus too much larger than 100 points. Don't know how one would penalize for multiple QSOs. You might make the one you need and then another station would call you. I'd keep it at only one QSO allowed for the bonus and nothing more. This would allow for a station to work others to help them get their bonus, too, but only if that station wanted to help. My guess is that a lot of stations would bow out once they got their one QSO. That, I hope, would free up the FM satellites fairly quickly.
Mac / AE5PH
On 06/25/2018 12:01 AM, Greg D wrote:
The Winter FD event is new, and has a much smaller participation compared to the summer event. I don't think what worked for the winter event can scale to the summer one. Imagine the chaos that would be caused by having a large prize awarded for a satellite contact in the summer event, causing a correspondingly large number of participants to attempt a contact. It would certainly bring additional attention and interest in making a satellite contact; perhaps too much.
But, your point about not having additional points awarded is good; perhaps even take away points for multiple contacts on the FM birds.
Greg KO6TH
Mac A. Cody wrote:
One alternative for scoring could be to adopt the approach used for Winter Field Day. For Winter Field Day, a station can net a 1500-point bonus for one satellite QSO. There are no additional points for subsequent QSOs. Not saying that 1500 points would be awarded for an ARRL Field Day satellite QSO, but more than 100 points.
73,
Mac Cody / AE5PH
On 06/24/2018 01:20 PM, Mr B r a d via AMSAT-BB wrote:
AO-92 FM on FD... what a mess, wish it was in L-band today.. , perhapswould be better to score points just for listening ONLY and getting call sign's + exchange from the bird to get more operators HEARING the bird and less trying to transmit without being able to hear it...say 1 point for each callsign and exchange monitored...and 2 for each qso after the first one.... something to get guys listening more and less trying to key them up ( perhaps for first time... ) just a thought...ko6kLaudio recording. http://www.valleymedia.org/satchat/2018-06-24-1800z--AO92-FM-Uv--CQFD-mess-k...
http://www.valleymedia.org/satchat/2018-06-23-2033z-sat-Ao-91-cq-fd-mess-ham...
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The rules already limit FM QSOs to one.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 01:21 Mac A. Cody [email protected] wrote:
Greg,
Yeah. Icertainly wouldn't make the bonus too much larger than 100 points. Don't know how one would penalize for multiple QSOs. You might make the one you need and then another station would call you. I'd keep it at only one QSO allowed for the bonus and nothing more. This would allow for a station to work others to help them get their bonus, too, but only if that station wanted to help. My guess is that a lot of stations would bow out once they got their one QSO. That, I hope, would free up the FM satellites fairly quickly.
Mac / AE5PH
On 06/25/2018 12:01 AM, Greg D wrote:
The Winter FD event is new, and has a much smaller participation compared to the summer event. I don't think what worked for the winter event can scale to the summer one. Imagine the chaos that would be caused by having a large prize awarded for a satellite contact in the summer event, causing a correspondingly large number of participants to attempt a contact. It would certainly bring additional attention and interest in making a satellite contact; perhaps too much.
But, your point about not having additional points awarded is good; perhaps even take away points for multiple contacts on the FM birds.
Greg KO6TH
Mac A. Cody wrote:
One alternative for scoring could be to adopt the approach used for Winter Field Day. For Winter Field Day, a station can net a 1500-point bonus for one satellite QSO. There are no additional points for subsequent QSOs. Not saying that 1500 points would be awarded for an ARRL Field Day satellite QSO, but more than 100 points.
73,
Mac Cody / AE5PH
On 06/24/2018 01:20 PM, Mr B r a d via AMSAT-BB wrote:
AO-92 FM on FD... what a mess, wish it was in L-band today.. , perhapswould be better to score points just for listening ONLY and getting call sign's + exchange from the bird to get more operators HEARING the bird and less trying to transmit without being able to hear it...say 1 point for each callsign and exchange monitored...and 2 for each qso after the first one.... something to get guys listening more and less trying to key them up ( perhaps for first time... ) just a thought...ko6kLaudio recording.
http://www.valleymedia.org/satchat/2018-06-24-1800z--AO92-FM-Uv--CQFD-mess-k...
http://www.valleymedia.org/satchat/2018-06-23-2033z-sat-Ao-91-cq-fd-mess-ham...
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Unfortunately I heard way too many groups working multiple stations on FM satellites clearly violating that rule during FD. 73, Adrian AA5UK
On Monday, June 25, 2018, 6:27:08 AM CDT, Paul Stoetzer [email protected] wrote:
The rules already limit FM QSOs to one.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 01:21 Mac A. Cody [email protected] wrote:
Greg,
Yeah. Icertainly wouldn't make the bonus too much larger than 100 points. Don't know how one would penalize for multiple QSOs. You might make the one you need and then another station would call you. I'd keep it at only one QSO allowed for the bonus and nothing more. This would allow for a station to work others to help them get their bonus, too, but only if that station wanted to help. My guess is that a lot of stations would bow out once they got their one QSO. That, I hope, would free up the FM satellites fairly quickly.
Mac / AE5PH
On 06/25/2018 12:01 AM, Greg D wrote:
The Winter FD event is new, and has a much smaller participation compared to the summer event. I don't think what worked for the winter event can scale to the summer one. Imagine the chaos that would be caused by having a large prize awarded for a satellite contact in the summer event, causing a correspondingly large number of participants to attempt a contact. It would certainly bring additional attention and interest in making a satellite contact; perhaps too much.
But, your point about not having additional points awarded is good; perhaps even take away points for multiple contacts on the FM birds.
Greg KO6TH
Mac A. Cody wrote:
One alternative for scoring could be to adopt the approach used for Winter Field Day. For Winter Field Day, a station can net a 1500-point bonus for one satellite QSO. There are no additional points for subsequent QSOs. Not saying that 1500 points would be awarded for an ARRL Field Day satellite QSO, but more than 100 points.
73,
Mac Cody / AE5PH
On 06/24/2018 01:20 PM, Mr B r a d via AMSAT-BB wrote:
AO-92 FM on FD... what a mess, wish it was in L-band today.. , perhapswould be better to score points just for listening ONLY and getting call sign's + exchange from the bird to get more operators HEARING the bird and less trying to transmit without being able to hear it...say 1 point for each callsign and exchange monitored...and 2 for each qso after the first one.... something to get guys listening more and less trying to key them up ( perhaps for first time... ) just a thought...ko6kLaudio recording.
http://www.valleymedia.org/satchat/2018-06-24-1800z--AO92-FM-Uv--CQFD-mess-k...
http://www.valleymedia.org/satchat/2018-06-23-2033z-sat-Ao-91-cq-fd-mess-ham...
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Paul,
According to the 2018 ARRL Field Day rules:
7.3.7. Satellite QSO: 100 bonus points for successfully completing at least one QSO via an amateur radio satellite during the Field Day period. Satellite QSOs also count for regular QSO credit. Show them listed separately on the summary sheet as a separate "band." You do not receive an additional bonus for contacting different satellites, though the additional QSOs may be counted for QSO credit unless prohibited under Rule 7.3.7.1. The QSO must be between two Earth stations through a satellite. Available to Classes A, B, and F. 7.3.7.1 Stations are limited to one (1) completed QSO on any single channel FM satellite.
I was suggesting a change in the rules that the additional QSOs, at least on the FM birds, would not be counted for QSO credit. That might result in stations getting the bonus and getting off, unless they wanted to help other stations to get their bonus. Of course, you'd think that limiting acceptable QSOs to one per FM satellite would have the same affect. Apparently not, it seems. I guess some stations didn't read the rules very closely.
73,
Mac / AE5PH
On 06/25/2018 06:24 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
The rules already limit FM QSOs to one.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 01:21 Mac A. Cody <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
Greg, Yeah. Icertainly wouldn't make the bonus too much larger than 100 points. Don't know how one would penalize for multiple QSOs. You might make the one you need and then another station would call you. I'd keep it at only one QSO allowed for the bonus and nothing more. This would allow for a station to work others to help them get their bonus, too, but only if that station wanted to help. My guess is that a lot of stations would bow out once they got their one QSO. That, I hope, would free up the FM satellites fairly quickly. Mac / AE5PH On 06/25/2018 12:01 AM, Greg D wrote: > The Winter FD event is new, and has a much smaller participation > compared to the summer event. I don't think what worked for the winter > event can scale to the summer one. Imagine the chaos that would be > caused by having a large prize awarded for a satellite contact in the > summer event, causing a correspondingly large number of participants to > attempt a contact. It would certainly bring additional attention and > interest in making a satellite contact; perhaps too much. > > But, your point about not having additional points awarded is good; > perhaps even take away points for multiple contacts on the FM birds. > > Greg KO6TH > > > Mac A. Cody wrote: >> One alternative for scoring could be to adopt the approach used for >> Winter Field Day. For Winter Field Day, a station can net a 1500-point >> bonus for one satellite QSO. There are no additional points for >> subsequent QSOs. Not saying that 1500 points would be awarded for >> an ARRL Field Day satellite QSO, but more than 100 points. >> >> 73, >> >> Mac Cody / AE5PH >> >> >> On 06/24/2018 01:20 PM, Mr B r a d via AMSAT-BB wrote: >>> AO-92 FM on FD... what a mess, wish it was in L-band today.. >>> , perhapswould be better to score points just for listening ONLY and >>> getting call sign's + exchange from the bird to get more operators >>> HEARING the bird and less trying to transmit without being able to >>> hear it...say 1 point for each callsign and exchange monitored..and >>> 2 for each qso after the first one.... something to get guys >>> listening more and less trying to key them up ( perhaps for first >>> time... ) just a thought...ko6kLaudio recording. >>> http://www.valleymedia.org/satchat/2018-06-24-1800z--AO92-FM-Uv--CQFD-mess-ko6kL-cm97-hamsatchat-wav-8m53sec-.wav >>> >>> >>> http://www.valleymedia.org/satchat/2018-06-23-2033z-sat-Ao-91-cq-fd-mess-ham-wav-.wav >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >>> Opinions expressed >>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >>> of AMSAT-NA. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. >> Opinions expressed >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views >> of AMSAT-NA. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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