Last AO51 pass 0110 z Unbelievable Ignorance ( Flame)
How in the world is is even remotely possible that people hold a conversation on the bird knowing that there are 70 people ( probabally more like 170) using the bird for quick contacts? HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE.. I cant imagine the ignorace involved... I just cannot fathom it.
-Steve Raas N2JDQ FN20vg
There is always a next pass, no point in making a revolution out of it.
I enjoy a QSO like everybody else, but sometimes it is even more fun to let two guys have their fun and just listen in.
73' de Amir K9CHP Member ARRL, AMSAT #36083 Cayuga County Highland SAR www.highlandsar.org http://www.highlandsar.org/ 1st Special Response Group www.1srg.org http://www.1srg.org Apprentice Tracker Joel Hardin Professional Tracking Services http://www.jhardin-inc.com
sraas@optonline.net wrote:
How in the world is is even remotely possible that people hold a conversation on the bird knowing that there are 70 people ( probabally more like 170) using the bird for quick contacts? HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE.. I cant imagine the ignorace involved... I just cannot fathom it.
-Steve Raas N2JDQ FN20vg _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
On 31 Jan 2007 at 1:21, sraas@optonline.net wrote:
How in the world is is even remotely possible that people hold a conversation on the bird knowing that there are 70 people
( probabally more like 170) using the bird for quick contacts? HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE.. I cant imagine the ignorace involved... I just cannot fathom it.
-Steve Raas N2JDQ FN20vg
Be or not to be! That is the question
You pointed out the whole problem Steve. Actually we only (I know it's better than nothing the AMSAT-NA moto) have LEO sats and by definition a LEO sat only offer a limited time pass of between 10 to 20 minutes (at the best). If you added to this some of them are only a one channel system eg:AO-51 you are stuck with a very limited span of options.
If you added the human factor on top of this you ended up with questions as your one "HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE" and it is mainly related to this human factor.
Look around you and beyond you will understand how humans react and act often illogically.Many are acting as they feel they are alone on this planet...I just posted a message showing exactly what you refer too but on a different plane of discussion not related to what we usually read here.
Some agree some not but what we are missing actually is only common sense and a HEO. This will not solved all our problems but it will at least show that we are making a step forward instead of backward.
"-" "It is not the class of license the amateur holds, but the class of the amateur that holds the license."
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
I find this post Unbelievable.
I've been moderately active on AO51 since it was first launched and have yet to hear anyone refuse to allow another access to the satellite.
If the satellite is quiet, then why shouldn't a conversational qso be allowed?
If you wish to use the satellite all you need to do is, politely, break-in and make your call.
I find that just saying my call sign during a break in the conversation works well.
Steve .. AI7W Lm #2270
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org]On Behalf Of sraas@optonline.net Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 01:21 UTC To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Last AO51 pass 0110 z Unbelievable Ignorance ( Flame)
How in the world is is even remotely possible that people hold a conversation on the bird knowing that there are 70 people ( probabally more like 170) using the bird for quick contacts? HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE.. I cant imagine the ignorace involved... I just cannot fathom it.
-Steve Raas N2JDQ FN20vg _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
I have all but given up on this bird. It seem that I can only get on here on the western pass. All I ever hear is that same stations day after day.
At 05:51 AM 2/2/2007, Steve wrote:
I find this post Unbelievable.
I've been moderately active on AO51 since it was first launched and have yet to hear anyone refuse to allow another access to the satellite.
If the satellite is quiet, then why shouldn't a conversational qso be allowed?
If you wish to use the satellite all you need to do is, politely, break-in and make your call.
I find that just saying my call sign during a break in the conversation works well.
It depends on the circumstances. If the pass is likely to be busy (daytime across the US), keep the QSOs short. However, on quieter passes, I do believe it is OK to have a ragchew like QSO, provided the following are observed:
- Overs are kept short (< 30 seconds, preferably 15 where possible) - Long pauses (5 sec or more) are left between overs (and invite others to use the satellite as well) - If anyone breaks in, give the bird over to them immediately - Don't resume the QSO after an interruption until all other traffic subsides.
Occasionally, someone will want to actually join the QSO. If they do, bring them in and continue, but keep the above in mind.
To those of you used to busy US or EU passes, the idea of QSOs on an FM bird might sound absurd, but in VK/ZL, a QSO can help alert others that the bird is available for use. Back in the UO-14 days, we'd have roundtables with 4-5 ops on late night (11PM-midnight local time) passes. Some passes, I'd end up being the only one on the satellite. However, if another station came up during our roundtables, they'd be invited to take over the bird. Sometimes they'd say hello and join us, other times they'd be seeking a short QSO, or even calling a specific station that was not on previously (perhaps a sked or moving over from simplex to give the sat a whirl).
73 de VK3JED http://vkradio.com
Steve wrote:
I find this post Unbelievable.
I've been moderately active on AO51 since it was first launched and have yet to hear anyone refuse to allow another access to the satellite.
If the satellite is quiet, then why shouldn't a conversational qso be allowed?
Maybe the chaos is more of an east coast thing? I'm not sure if it's as busy here in California as it is on the east coast. At least I had kind of a casual low key chat, on a Sunday evening awhile back. I heard SO-50 fly by with one guy calling CQ, and me fumbling around looking for how to set the PL, and nobody else answering.
AMSAT Operations folks, with assistance from AMSAT Engineering geeks, err, engineers, have been working to improve performance of AO-51. We have seen this social phenomenon repeatedly according to the operations folks. As we up the usability of the bird by increasing transmitter power, the number of competing stations with all of the obvious behaviors come out. It has been my experience in AMSAT since I first became active in the early 1970's, after the kinds of changes we have been making become the norm, the "transient response" dies down to a small hum!
Be patient with your fellow satellite users.
Bob N4HY
Cathryn Mataga wrote:
Steve wrote:
I find this post Unbelievable.
I've been moderately active on AO51 since it was first launched and have yet to hear anyone refuse to allow another access to the satellite.
If the satellite is quiet, then why shouldn't a conversational qso be allowed?
Maybe the chaos is more of an east coast thing? I'm not sure if it's as busy here in California as it is on the east coast. At least I had kind of a casual low key chat, on a Sunday evening awhile back. I heard SO-50 fly by with one guy calling CQ, and me fumbling around looking for how to set the PL, and nobody else answering. _______________________________________________
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