On 5/9/16, Alan [email protected] wrote:

Scott,

Some places will cut construction materials such as piping, lumber, etc for you. They may also have a scraps bin where stuff is nearly free. The local Ace Hardware has some in the back storage area, but you need to ask.

Probably the biggest problem is that pipe sizes are different from the actual sizes.

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Similar to that, in my city, there's a place which recycles household fixtures, such as doors, that have been recovered from renovation or demolition projects. They're often of good quality and, of course, cost a lot less than brand new.

Maybe there's one like that close by and, if so, it might be worth checking out.

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL

onlinemetals.com

They sell small quantities without charging an arm and a leg. A quick search showed 3" 6061-T6 schedule 40 aluminum pipe at 3ft length for around $50 with an additional $17ish for shipping to VA.

Like Alan mentioned though, Pipe "sizes" don't always match actual dimensions (3.5" outer diameter for the above mentioned 3" pipe). They are pretty clear about that on the site though, showing the inner and outer tube diameters. You could hunt around in their tubing and pipe sections under the metal of your choice (aluminum of various flavors, stainless, cold roll, etc) and probably find something that suits your needs without breaking the bank.

Also, dumpster diving. Probably a full third of the Virginia Tech Ground Station metalwork was harvested from a metal dumpster outside a machine shop on campus (including some solid piping for our dish mounts and some of the counter weighting metals). Just be safe about it, I got the OK from the machine shop folks and campus security folks to pull stuff out of the dumpster (some places take dumpsters like that in for a cash return at recycling centers and such, so taking what looks like 'trash' is actually money out of their pocket).

Good Luck!

-Zach, KJ4QLP

Research Associate Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University Work Phone: 540-231-4174 Cell Phone: 540-808-6305

On 5/9/2016 5:25 PM, Daniel Cussen wrote:

I would second the idea of getting a local welder or engineering shop to make up something suitable. If possible send it off for galvanising which they can do too.

Note many of these larger dishes are not designed to use normal TV LNBs but are instead intended to use special manufacturer feeds, and they use unusual designs. Using the wrong feed will reduce the results.

Here is information on the recommended installation in a fixed mount including concrete base.

http://viasatelital.com/manuales/channel_master/channel-master-type-120.pdf

If you are not using it in a fixed position, but for low earth orbit tracking on s-band, like I am, I can give more advice. I am using a 1.2 metre dish. In particular the modification for larger feeds, calibration due to offset feed and real world low earth orbit tracking problems.

If you can supply photos of links of the actual dish we may be able to help further. _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

Hi Scott,

DISCLAIMER: Personally, I think its relevant because it has to do with increasing your skill in the art of radio and satellite communications. More specifically, I think the skills needed (building/finding LNAs, building antennas, modem development, tuning for doppler, link budgets, etc.) are directly related to the Amateur Satellite hobby even if your practicing 'out of band' relative to what folks might be used to on this list. Case in point, AMSAT's nasabare.txt TLEs include spacecraft (such as the NOAA POES birds) that have no Amateur Radio equipment on board, but they do it because people tend to have overlapping hobbies. So I'm posting my response to the list, but if others disagree and prefer the conversation be moved off list I'm more than happy to comply.

I too have an interest in the GOES birds, inmarsat, and basically anything from airplanes (ADSB), to ships (AIS), to NWS high altitude balloons, to LEO birds, to MEO/HEO birds, to GEO birds. (basically 'other' stuff that is not necessarily ham radio specific, but in the same vein).

Source for cheap-ish preamps/LNAS: minicircuits.com Basically for LNAs, I found that minicircuits.com has a number of 'decent' low noise amplifiers that can be used for receiving these types of signals. they usually cost anywhere from 30-75 bucks (usually around 50) depending on what you are trying to accomplish and the individual specs for the band of interest, and are typically wideband enough to cover multiple non-contiguous chunks of spectrum (Like 1550 MHz signals and 1691 MHz signals in L-Band). They also sell pretty decent (And cheapish, maybe $20) bandpass filters that may be of interest if you are in a high QRM environment.

For L-Band (Inmarsat, Iridium, etc) I made a bi-quad feed that covers Inmarsat and the SARSAT frequencies around 1550 MHz. I have played around similarly with 0.75m to 1.2m primestar type offset antennas mainly for the GEO birds. The biquad plus a 0.75m offset reflector plus minicircuits amp plus RTL-SDR plus GNU Radio was all that was needed to observe/capture recordings of the Inmarsat 'Fleet Safety Net' broadcast service (an open and public service, not private communications). Helicals are also good choices because they are simple to build and inherently wideband (forgiving of manufacturing error).

My most recent interest is in the NOAA POES SARSAT transponders (Same birds that carry the 137 MHz APT transmitters). Distress beacons transmit around 406 MHz up to the birds (EPIRBs for boats, ELTs for Planes, PLBs for hikers). They rebroadcast that down at L-Band. They have a bent pipe transponder that simply rebroadcasts the beacon as well as a digital downlink that contains information about the beacons from the onboard processing systems. Same transmitters/data processors exist on the GOES birds as well. Also the system and the spec is VERY well documented and public (google COSPAS-SARSAT and look around for the "technical documents" section). I'm trying to develop a graduate level (or 'really good undergraduate' level) student project (maybe in the SDR course as a class project?) to code up some open source out-of-tree modules for GNU Radio to do the full demodulation/FEC decoding/data presentation for this.

Similarly 1690-ish MHz is an interesting band because there are three 'targets of interest' to me. The NOAA POES (15, 17, 18) and NOAA GOES birds all transmit HRPT in this band. Additionally, the NWS high altitude balloons that fly twice a day from the 50-ish (no sure about the count there, but theres a lot of 'em) locations around the country also operate close to this band. So one antenna/preamp/RTL-SDR combination could potentially net you access to some GEO birds, LEO Birds, and HABs. (We're fortunate in Blacksburg to have an NWS station about a quarter mile from my office at the airport that launches the balloons, others' mileage may vary on that one).

For both the NOAA balloons (more specifically Lockheed Martin - Sippican Radiosondes, LMS-6s) and the Inmarsat Fleet Safety Net, there are Windows decoders that give you free 30-day trial, then you have to pay. Again, I'm hoping to find a way to turn this into an SDR class project (or satcom, or summer REU program, or however I can pull it off) to have students gain experience developing modems for this. My intent is to develop free and open source GNU Radio modules for these decoders (Train ATCS is also on the list, but not relevant to this discussion) and then post them on github for others to use with GNU Radio.

I'd be happy to swap notes with you (or anyone else on the list) concerning these systems. I've done a lot of legwork compiling the various sources for the specs, frequencies, etc. for these systems and would be happy to send links/docs your way. And again, even though I think its relevant I could understand if others on the list don't agree and I'd be happy to move the conversation off list if anyone objects.

Happy signal hunting!

-Zach, KJ4QLP

Research Associate Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University Work Phone: 540-231-4174 Cell Phone: 540-808-6305

On 5/9/2016 5:54 PM, Scott wrote:

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If you can supply photos of links of the actual dish we may be able to help further.

... I found a pic online that looks right; it's a 1m Primestar dish. I cropped out just the dish - here is the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hk7dlqot0z78thb/1m-dish.jpg?dl=0

... I have previously been using an old round DirecTV dish with various home-made and purchased antennas to receive Inmarsat and a few other signals but obviously needed something larger to experiment further. Both Vivaldi and patch style antennas have worked well with the DirecTV dish. I'm not completely sure what I will do with this 1 meter dish, but I don't have any plans for tracking at this time. A stationary mount will be fine.

Having already gained some familiarity with Inmarsat signals, that is one option. It may very well be beyond my reach, but I would like to educate myself about what is available on the GOES-13 satellite as well. I even have a commercial FTA TV LNB to experiment with. It seems like the upcoming amateur satellites will require familiarity with more gain & higher frequencies as well, so I have a lot to learn there.

LEO telemetry cubesats and the like are my main interest, but I like the idea of having a dish to experiment with as well. Certainly appreciate everyone's input!

If satcom topics like Inmarsat & GOES-13 are not of interest on this mailing list, by all means please feel free to contact me directly if you have any pointers!

-Scott

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If you are not using it in a fixed position, but for low earth orbit tracking on s-band, like I am, I can give more advice. I am using a 1.2 metre dish. In particular the modification for larger feeds, calibration due to offset feed and real world low earth orbit tracking problems.

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