to Kevin Deane and others If the QRM on the sats is too much for you people to take in the northern hemi just move to beautiful Australia or shaky New Zealand where at the most that we get on AO51 in the evening is no more than six or seven and we have a round table discussion, not chasing grid squares as there are only 22million people in VK and 4 million in ZL. I say this with smile on my face Graham McPhee VK2AYE