Re: [amsat-bb] Carnival Cruise Line
I think you may be missing something:
"The following items are prohibited and their possession is not allowed on board any Company ship by passengers or crew without a valid lawful reason....and only with consent of the Ship's Master."
Emphasis on: 'without a valid lawful reason' and 'only with consent'. Do you have a valid lawful reason for possessing a ham radio (or a laser pointer)? Then it may be okay. And that's what they are telling you in the second link that lists exemptions to those prohibitions. 'It's okay for ham radio use on board... but not for you to use to listen to the crew conduct ships business, talk to other ships in the harbor, and so on.' That way they can speak to the issue of your activities of such gear, not just the fact of possession of it.
This is legalese so that someone can't just bring anything on board they want, claim it's ham radio (or in the case of a laser pointer, claim it's for a fictitious power point presentation), and claim a right of possession. They are saying to anyone/everyone... 'We don't let you bring these things on board willy nilly without a reason and if we don't like your reason, we can boot your stuff off the boat and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it; you have no recourse.' I believe the term 'exerting positive control' is used in other professions for such a situation...
73 and enjoy your cruise! Kevin N4UFO
Read the exemptions on this page:
No wonder there is so much confusion in this regard - it's not clearly spelled out what is and is not permitted as far as ham radio goes. It looks to me like, if the captain authorizes it, you can bring your gear on-board and operate it on-board. Carnival really needs to clarify all of this with a specific written policy that states clearly what is and what is not allowed and who's permissions are needed to do so!
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Glenn Miller - AA5PK aa5pk@suddenlink.net wrote:
Read the exemptions on this page:
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A difference between Carnival Corporate rules and Carnival Cruise Line rules.
The other cruise lines under Carnival Corporate (Princess, Holland America, Cunard, Costa, Fathom, P&O Cruises, Seabourn, and AIDA) follow corporate rules. Carnival Cruise Line is the only with an explicit exemption for amateur radio gear.
I fought earlier this year Princess and lost.
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Moore Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 7:23 PM To: Amsat BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Carnival Cruise Line
No wonder there is so much confusion in this regard - it's not clearly spelled out what is and is not permitted as far as ham radio goes. It looks to me like, if the captain authorizes it, you can bring your gear on-board and operate it on-board. Carnival really needs to clarify all of this with a specific written policy that states clearly what is and what is not allowed and who's permissions are needed to do so!
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
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