Since We Are Off Topic Somewhat....
Time to come down,, the de-orbit burn happens to slow it down just a bit to cause the orbit to more or less decay..
I don't think orbital decay would be a good descriptor. Orbiter does the de-orbit burn about half-a-rev away, then a nose dive. The de-orbit burn puts the brakes on big time, then after it turns nose forward, a slight push towards the earth brings it on down fast.
An orbital decay is very gradual, and takes many orbits...
So in actuality it comes down from space even slower than going up. Yes? 45 min vs 10.
Right, as others have said - going up through the dense atmosphere is the slowest part of the trip. They even hold back throttle until it has passed maxQ, or maximum dynamic shake, just before passing the 'sound-barrier'. After that, the air is much thinner and with less fuel on board - and the acceleration increases very rapidly.
Ok, same goes with any satellite,,
Not really. Launch may be the same - but a de-orbiting satellite can take weeks/months/years of slowing/losing altitude enough to encounter the upper atmosphere. That's when the trouble starts.
coming down,, 17K MPh to 0 unless it has protection it will burn up in the atmosphere from friction with the air.
You hit the nail on the head. Orbiter has protection. Major protection. Reinforced carbon-carbon leading edge treatment on the wings and nose. Ceramic tiles on the belly provide the required capacity to shed all that kinetic energy as heat. The thermal padding over the rest of the orbiter is to protect the vehicle structure from the heat passing by. The shock wave just millimeters out in front of the orbiter is hotter than the surface of the sun... I remember seeing Wayne Hales describing this on NASA-TV after the TPS repair job a few flights back in 2007...
De-orbiting satellites have no TPS, and as soon as they encounter atmospheric ionization - it cooks off pretty quickly. Only major chunks survive, and then only as really hot blobs. Think of the bright meteors during a storm like the Leonids - most of those are no bigger than a grain of sand - but come in around 70 km/sec ...
It should be interesting to see what the media does with this story. Personally, I suspect the fuel would cook off before impact with some large body of water. But if we let it do that, we couldn't flex THE muscle. It would take to long to program an EKV target model for one of the big mid-course interceptors... so perhaps this approach will score some points. We gotta catch up you know. We've never destroyed a satellite 'on purpose' . . All you gotta do is get right in front of it, and let it hit you. An explosive just adds to the show.
Waiting for Atlantis to get back is good idea .!. I think I heard that they did extend joint-ops for one day. Maybe early next week they'll let the Navy have a crack or two at "Shoot-Sat".
Thanks (this wasn't supposed to get this long) /;^)
Close. They actually lower the perigee with the OMS deorbit burn, to where the perigee is below a dense enough portion of the atmosphere to allow a reentry capture, and then turn nose-forward and wait slightly less than half an orbit for entry interface. The moment they start encountering appreciable atmospheric drag, they are headed for the surface one way or the other and things start happening fairly quickly. But the key is that deorbit burn that puts the perigee right where they want it. There's no additional push other than atmospheric drag at entry interface. :)
(This is related to the reason why propelling something entirely from the surface, even firing something from an enormous cannon that propels the projectile far above the atmosphere, will never put it into orbit -- it will either escape Earth entirely or impact somewhere else on the surface. There has to be some horizontal acceleration at apogee for there to be a perigee afterward, which is why GEO sats have to carry an apogee kick motor with them to actually put them in GEO, a simple PAM boost from LEO won't do it. :)
On Feb 14, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Alan Sieg WB5RMG wrote:
I don't think orbital decay would be a good descriptor. Orbiter does the de-orbit burn about half-a-rev away, then a nose dive. The de-orbit burn puts the brakes on big time, then after it turns nose forward, a slight push towards the earth brings it on down fast.
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