I'm currently arguing with myself about buying a signalink. Can anyone in the mailing list confirm it works with Fedora Linux?
I've been using one for years on one of my Ubuntu workstations. With FLDigi, it is plug and play. With FreeDV, I had to scan the USB ports (trivial) to ID it. Take a look at your Linux command line instructions for identification of what is plugged into which USB port. The FLDigi workstation has been operating for years, it was originally a $10 yard sale pc that the seller said "won't work or something" ... uh huh.
FYI, Fedora and Ubuntu are in the same family of Linux flavors.
73 Dave N4CVX Linux user since 1995
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On Jun 30, 2017, at 05:30, Oliver [email protected] wrote:
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Hi, all, another old-time Unix user here (Solaris and Linux back in the mid90s, currently a Windows pro) and ham newbie.
Not trying to nitpick, but I thought that Fedora (which I've never used, had already switched away from Red Hat Linux to Debian) was still based on the RPM packaged developed by Red Hat and Ubuntu (by Canonical) was a downstream variant of Debian, using Debian's package management format.
Not to say that there haven't been bridges between the two and lots of work to unify package formats and dependencies.
Either way, ever since HRD had their implosion I've been pondering whether to keep my ham laptop on Windows 10 or take a look at running in the Linux world, so want to make sure I'm up on the current differences and issues.
-- Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG) email: [email protected] web: Devin on Earth cell: +1 425.239.2575
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Mann Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 4:43 PM To: Oliver [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SignalinkUSB and Linux
I've been using one for years on one of my Ubuntu workstations. With FLDigi, it is plug and play. With FreeDV, I had to scan the USB ports (trivial) to ID it. Take a look at your Linux command line instructions for identification of what is plugged into which USB port. The FLDigi workstation has been operating for years, it was originally a $10 yard sale pc that the seller said "won't work or something" ... uh huh.
FYI, Fedora and Ubuntu are in the same family of Linux flavors.
73 Dave N4CVX Linux user since 1995
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 30, 2017, at 05:30, Oliver [email protected] wrote:
I'm currently arguing with myself about buying a signalink. Can anyone in the mailing list confirm it works with Fedora Linux? _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 01:59:17 +0000 "Devin L. Ganger" [email protected] wrote:
Not trying to nitpick, but I thought that Fedora (which I've never used, had already switched away from Red Hat Linux to Debian) was still based on the RPM packaged developed by Red Hat and Ubuntu (by Canonical) was a downstream variant of Debian, using Debian's package management format.
This is correct. Fedora and Ubuntu do not have a common ancestor other than the fact that they both use the Linux kernel.
You can see here that Debian pre-dates RedHat by about a year: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timel...
For even more fun, here's a larger family tree: http://distrowatch.com/images/other/distro-family-tree.png
Sorry to steer the list off topic.
73 DE KD5RYO - -- Happy Hacking!
http://manor.space/~cmhobbs GPG: 1200 0808 F968 47AB F489 91A3 FE26 6FFB 1A77 0868
Since you're familiar with Linux you will no problem with any of the Linux variants. Differences are essentially in how the packages are managed. They all have a "package manager" which can be invoked from the GUI or the command line. There are thousands of packages ( applications or, in Windows-speak, programs).
The benefit of using the Linux operating system is that Linux will run on any PC. My ham station has three computers, one for the "data station", one for the "AMSAT station " and one for general purpose use. All of the PC are yard sale specials, as are the monitors. $10 to $25 per item.
The "Data station" has Windows 7 running on a virtual machine. This is needed as the WinLink program has no Linux-native package. The WinLink folks with their dream of an apocalypse-survival system are adamant that a Linux-native application is not needed.
AMSAT specific packages are readily available; none of them, that I know of, allow direct rig or Rotor control.
A discussion of the politics and mind-set of the Windows vs. Linux vs. BeOS vs. Solaris vs. CP/M vs. DOS vs. COBOL vs. MacOS crowd is outside the scope of this BBS.
73 Dave N4CVX
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On Jun 30, 2017, at 20:59, Devin L. Ganger [email protected] wrote:
Hi, all, another old-time Unix user here (Solaris and Linux back in the mid90s, currently a Windows pro) and ham newbie.
Not trying to nitpick, but I thought that Fedora (which I've never used, had already switched away from Red Hat Linux to Debian) was still based on the RPM packaged developed by Red Hat and Ubuntu (by Canonical) was a downstream variant of Debian, using Debian's package management format.
Not to say that there haven't been bridges between the two and lots of work to unify package formats and dependencies.
Either way, ever since HRD had their implosion I've been pondering whether to keep my ham laptop on Windows 10 or take a look at running in the Linux world, so want to make sure I'm up on the current differences and issues.
-- Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG) email: [email protected] web: Devin on Earth cell: +1 425.239.2575
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Mann Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 4:43 PM To: Oliver [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SignalinkUSB and Linux
I've been using one for years on one of my Ubuntu workstations. With FLDigi, it is plug and play. With FreeDV, I had to scan the USB ports (trivial) to ID it. Take a look at your Linux command line instructions for identification of what is plugged into which USB port. The FLDigi workstation has been operating for years, it was originally a $10 yard sale pc that the seller said "won't work or something" ... uh huh.
FYI, Fedora and Ubuntu are in the same family of Linux flavors.
73 Dave N4CVX Linux user since 1995
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 30, 2017, at 05:30, Oliver [email protected] wrote:
I'm currently arguing with myself about buying a signalink. Can anyone in the mailing list confirm it works with Fedora Linux? _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Hi Dave and Everyone,
On Jul 1, 2017, at 02:26, Dave Mann [email protected] wrote:
AMSAT specific packages are readily available; none of them, that I know of, allow direct rig or Rotor control.
I beg to differ on this one point.
GPredict is a wonderful satellite tracking application that when coupled with hamlib ( ham radio control libraries, with the rigctl and rotctl daemons) provides full radio and antenna control capabilities. That said, there is a bit of a learning curve getting it going as there are some aspects of the user interface that are decidedly non-intuitive. Though I think it is no more difficult than configuring SatPC32 on the windows side (this IS rocket science after all).
I'm using the aforementioned applications on an old Dell E5500 Core2Duo that I literally got out of a dumpster at work. New battery, maxed out the RAM, and replaced the spinny hard drive with an SSD and I've got a very capable 15" laptop for a total investment of $125.
I run Ubuntu 16.04 LTS because I'm one of those strange people that really, really like the Unity window manager. I'm incredibly sad that Unity is going away in the next LTS (Long Term Support) release...
73,
John K2ZA AMSAT #22683
You're not that far off topic actually. Stuff that works in Ubuntu might work in Redhat (and vice versa).
But I know Unbuntu 9.10 was different at the time then Fedora - RedHat was a big push for the horrors of systemctl, the network command stack was (and still is) different.
Even so, there's been a big change since 2009 - systemctl among them.
As I stated, my printer that once worked in Fedora 20 but I haven't been able to get it to work since 24 - it seems to be something in SELinux because turning it off enabled it to communicate with the printer but ... I said heck with it and spun a windows 7 vm with a shared folder.
Things change. Oh well.
On 06/30/2017 10:41 PM, Christopher M. Hobbs wrote:
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On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 01:59:17 +0000 "Devin L. Ganger" [email protected] wrote:
Not trying to nitpick, but I thought that Fedora (which I've never used, had already switched away from Red Hat Linux to Debian) was still based on the RPM packaged developed by Red Hat and Ubuntu (by Canonical) was a downstream variant of Debian, using Debian's package management format.
This is correct. Fedora and Ubuntu do not have a common ancestor other than the fact that they both use the Linux kernel.
You can see here that Debian pre-dates RedHat by about a year: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timel...
For even more fun, here's a larger family tree: http://distrowatch.com/images/other/distro-family-tree.png
Sorry to steer the list off topic.
73 DE KD5RYO
Happy Hacking!
http://manor.space/~cmhobbs GPG: 1200 0808 F968 47AB F489 91A3 FE26 6FFB 1A77 0868
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That’s a good point. Fedora comes with SELinux enabled now, correct?
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: Oliver Krystalmailto:[email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 9:30 AM To: [email protected]mailto:[email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SignalinkUSB and Linux
You're not that far off topic actually. Stuff that works in Ubuntu might work in Redhat (and vice versa).
But I know Unbuntu 9.10 was different at the time then Fedora - RedHat was a big push for the horrors of systemctl, the network command stack was (and still is) different.
Even so, there's been a big change since 2009 - systemctl among them.
As I stated, my printer that once worked in Fedora 20 but I haven't been able to get it to work since 24 - it seems to be something in SELinux because turning it off enabled it to communicate with the printer but ... I said heck with it and spun a windows 7 vm with a shared folder.
Things change. Oh well.
On 06/30/2017 10:41 PM, Christopher M. Hobbs wrote:
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On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 01:59:17 +0000 "Devin L. Ganger" [email protected] wrote:
Not trying to nitpick, but I thought that Fedora (which I've never used, had already switched away from Red Hat Linux to Debian) was still based on the RPM packaged developed by Red Hat and Ubuntu (by Canonical) was a downstream variant of Debian, using Debian's package management format.
This is correct. Fedora and Ubuntu do not have a common ancestor other than the fact that they both use the Linux kernel.
You can see here that Debian pre-dates RedHat by about a year: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timel...
For even more fun, here's a larger family tree: http://distrowatch.com/images/other/distro-family-tree.png
Sorry to steer the list off topic.
73 DE KD5RYO
Happy Hacking!
http://manor.space/~cmhobbs GPG: 1200 0808 F968 47AB F489 91A3 FE26 6FFB 1A77 0868
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Thanks for the tip about gPredict. I've been using it stand alone but now see the hooks for Rotor control, etc. 73 Dave N4CVX
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On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:21, Oliver Krystal [email protected] wrote:
You're not that far off topic actually. Stuff that works in Ubuntu might work in Redhat (and vice versa).
But I know Unbuntu 9.10 was different at the time then Fedora - RedHat was a big push for the horrors of systemctl, the network command stack was (and still is) different.
Even so, there's been a big change since 2009 - systemctl among them.
As I stated, my printer that once worked in Fedora 20 but I haven't been able to get it to work since 24 - it seems to be something in SELinux because turning it off enabled it to communicate with the printer but ... I said heck with it and spun a windows 7 vm with a shared folder.
Things change. Oh well.
On 06/30/2017 10:41 PM, Christopher M. Hobbs wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256
On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 01:59:17 +0000 "Devin L. Ganger" [email protected] wrote:
Not trying to nitpick, but I thought that Fedora (which I've never used, had already switched away from Red Hat Linux to Debian) was still based on the RPM packaged developed by Red Hat and Ubuntu (by Canonical) was a downstream variant of Debian, using Debian's package management format.
This is correct. Fedora and Ubuntu do not have a common ancestor other than the fact that they both use the Linux kernel.
You can see here that Debian pre-dates RedHat by about a year: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timel...
For even more fun, here's a larger family tree: http://distrowatch.com/images/other/distro-family-tree.png
Sorry to steer the list off topic.
73 DE KD5RYO
- -- Happy Hacking!
http://manor.space/~cmhobbs GPG: 1200 0808 F968 47AB F489 91A3 FE26 6FFB 1A77 0868
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As far as I can remember it has ... Sure fedora 9if I remember correctly.
On Saturday, July 1, 2017, Devin L. Ganger [email protected] wrote:
That’s a good point. Fedora comes with SELinux enabled now, correct?
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
*From: *Oliver Krystal javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]'); *Sent: *Saturday, July 1, 2017 9:30 AM *To: *[email protected] javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]'); *Subject: *Re: [amsat-bb] SignalinkUSB and Linux
You're not that far off topic actually. Stuff that works in Ubuntu might work in Redhat (and vice versa).
But I know Unbuntu 9.10 was different at the time then Fedora - RedHat was a big push for the horrors of systemctl, the network command stack was (and still is) different.
Even so, there's been a big change since 2009 - systemctl among them.
As I stated, my printer that once worked in Fedora 20 but I haven't been able to get it to work since 24 - it seems to be something in SELinux because turning it off enabled it to communicate with the printer but ... I said heck with it and spun a windows 7 vm with a shared folder.
Things change. Oh well.
On 06/30/2017 10:41 PM, Christopher M. Hobbs wrote:
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On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 01:59:17 +0000 "Devin L. Ganger" <[email protected]
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:
Not trying to nitpick, but I thought that Fedora (which I've never used, had already switched away from Red Hat Linux to Debian) was still based on the RPM packaged developed by Red Hat and Ubuntu (by Canonical) was a downstream variant of Debian, using Debian's package management format.
This is correct. Fedora and Ubuntu do not have a common ancestor other than the fact that they both use the Linux kernel.
You can see here that Debian pre-dates RedHat by about a year: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_
Distribution_Timeline.svg
For even more fun, here's a larger family tree: http://distrowatch.com/images/other/distro-family-tree.png
Sorry to steer the list off topic.
73 DE KD5RYO
Happy Hacking!
http://manor.space/~cmhobbs GPG: 1200 0808 F968 47AB F489 91A3 FE26 6FFB 1A77 0868
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On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 07:15:54 -0400 John Zaruba Jr [email protected] wrote:
GPredict is a wonderful satellite tracking application that when coupled with hamlib ( ham radio control libraries, with the rigctl and rotctl daemons) provides full radio and antenna control capabilities. That said, there is a bit of a learning curve getting it going as there are some aspects of the user interface that are decidedly non-intuitive. Though I think it is no more difficult than configuring SatPC32 on the windows side (this IS rocket science after all).
I want to second this. I'm using GPredict on an ASUS EeePC X101-CH with 1GB of RAM and an Intel Atom CPU at 1.6GHz. I picked it up second hand for about $65.
Those specs seem high but this is an underpowered little machine. GPredict works really well. I even have a custom cron task to download additional keps that aren't provided in GPredict itself.
Once you learn the oddities of its interface, it's really easy to use.
73 DE KD5RYO
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Works fine with OpenSUSE, too.
Jim KQ6EA
On 06/30/2017 11:43 PM, Dave Mann wrote:
I've been using one for years on one of my Ubuntu workstations. With FLDigi, it is plug and play. With FreeDV, I had to scan the USB ports (trivial) to ID it. Take a look at your Linux command line instructions for identification of what is plugged into which USB port. The FLDigi workstation has been operating for years, it was originally a $10 yard sale pc that the seller said "won't work or something" ... uh huh.
FYI, Fedora and Ubuntu are in the same family of Linux flavors.
73 Dave N4CVX Linux user since 1995
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On Jun 30, 2017, at 05:30, Oliver [email protected] wrote:
I'm currently arguing with myself about buying a signalink. Can anyone in the mailing list confirm it works with Fedora Linux? _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Oliver Krystal