Not sure if this will be having the functions of 910H.
73's Nitin [VU3TYG]
--------- Original Message -------- From: Simon HB9DRV simon@hb9drv.ch To: amsat-bb@amsat.org amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio Date: 08/20/09 11:59 AM"
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It appears that it will - so it's a sort of IC-910H + HF radio in one box :)
Glad I didn't buy a new IC-910H,
Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nitin Muttin [VU3TYG]" vu3tyg@amsatindia.org
Not sure if this will be having the functions of 910H.
And here's a big shiny picture - note the Satellite button :)
http://www.ab4oj.com/icom/ic9100/IC-9100_prerelease.pdf
Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon (HB9DRV)" simon@hb9drv.ch
It appears that it will - so it's a sort of IC-910H + HF radio in one box :)
In line with the TS-2000(X). Not sure if it has the 6 meter band.
73,
Jeff WB3JFS
----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon (HB9DRV)" simon@hb9drv.ch To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 1:29 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
It does - 1.8MHz to 70cms included, 23 cms optional (no 70MHz or 220MHz though).
Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Yanko" wb3jfs@cox.net To: "Simon (HB9DRV)" simon@hb9drv.ch; amsat-bb@amsat.org
In line with the TS-2000(X). Not sure if it has the 6 meter band.
FB. No 220 mHz on the TS-2000 either, but 50 mHz is included. So the IC-9100 pretty much is a shack in a box, just lacking 50 mHz. Not a bad setup.
73,
Jeff WB3JFS
----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon (HB9DRV)" simon@hb9drv.ch To: "Jeff Yanko" wb3jfs@cox.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
Sorry - misunderstanding, it *does* have 50MHz.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Yanko" wb3jfs@cox.net
FB on 50 Mhz. Is the 70 mHz band used more in the European ham theatre?
73,
Jeff WB3JFS
----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon (HB9DRV)" simon@hb9drv.ch To: "Jeff Yanko" wb3jfs@cox.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
70MHz is used but 50MHz is much more common.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Yanko" wb3jfs@cox.net
FB on 50 Mhz. Is the 70 mHz band used more in the European ham theatre?
OK. Wasn't sure of the VHF bands available in Europe. 70 mHz always stuck in my mind because I recall seeing it occasionally on the European Packet Clusters. At first, I kept thinking somebody is typing in the wrong frequency. I guess not!
73,
Jeff WB3JFS
----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon (HB9DRV)" simon@hb9drv.ch To: "Jeff Yanko" wb3jfs@cox.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
Too bad that 222 and 902mhz can't be offered as optinal modules.
73s John AA5JG
--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Jeff Yanko wb3jfs@cox.net wrote:
No buttons for 144, 432, 1296?
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:27 AM, John Geiger aa5jg@yahoo.com wrote:
They can but as it would only be of use to the US market, it will need a US manufacturer to develop and sell them. The radio probably only has the internal space for one module so some design of intelligent outboard transverter is the way to go.
John Geiger wrote:
Plenty of countries besides the US can use 222mhz-all of region 2 plus Somalia in region 1. Not sure about 902 but I know that the US, Canada, and Somalia can use it.
73s John AA5JG
--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF nigel@ngunn.net wrote:
I think there is actually a list to discuss the IC-9100 and its capabilities.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ic9100/
73, Jeff - K7WIN
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of John Geiger Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:57 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org; Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
Plenty of countries besides the US can use 222mhz-all of region 2 plus Somalia in region 1. Not sure about 902 but I know that the US, Canada, and Somalia can use it.
73s John AA5JG
--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF nigel@ngunn.net wrote:
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Yaesu has had at least a notional design for a replacement to the FT-847 for some time, but has been holding off going forward until there are new satellites which will increase demand. If this does well, perhaps Yaesu will reconsider.
Alan WA4SCA
A couple of years ago while working the AMSAT booth at the Boxboro Mass hamfest, I was chatting with Chip Margelli (who at the time still worked for Yaesu). I asked him when is Yaesu going to come out with a new satellite rig? Being Chip, he quickly replied with a question of his own. When are you guys going to launch another satellite? I think this answers your question on a new Sat rig from Yaesu! I think it's great that Icom is coming out with a replacement for the 910 with IF DSP. I might consider picking one up, but my main interest right now is in the upcoming FLEX-5000 VHF/UHF full duplex Upgrade. This will be the ultimate satellite rig.....
73 Jeff kb2m
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Alan P. Biddle Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 12:02 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
Yaesu has had at least a notional design for a replacement to the FT-847 for some time, but has been holding off going forward until there are new satellites which will increase demand. If this does well, perhaps Yaesu will reconsider.
Alan WA4SCA
Jeff,
Actually, the question I asked is whether the "Chip Doctrine" might now be changed, not the least reason being that Chip has moved on. Also, I count more than a few satellites launched recently, though none are P3.
However, like you, I am holding out for the Flex rig. Had a great discussion with them at the recent Huntsville hamfest, and in particular what accommodations they need from a software control standpoint. It looks as if they will be at the AMSAT Symposium this fall, so there should be plenty of room for discussion!
Alan WA4SCA
Hi Simon, HB9DRV
What about birdies in the IC-9100 in comparison with TS-2000X ?
What the actual quotation of a IC-9100 in comparison to a TS-2000X ?
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon (HB9DRV)" simon@hb9drv.ch To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
box
Hi,
Birdies - we'll have to wait and see. Price - could well be very similar to the TS-2000. We've heard ~ 300,000 Yen. I guess we'll get more data later in the year, would be a nice present for 2010.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "i8cvs" domenico.i8cvs@tin.it
What about birdies in the IC-9100 in comparison with TS-2000X ?
Hi,
I was talking to the store manager at HRO Phoenix and he says he is hearing a price tag of about 3k for the rig.
From what I can see it looks like a 746Pro with VHF/UHF. If that's the case, I think I would opt for a K3 with transverters as that would be a better combination performance wise for the $$$ investment. I still can't get over how the manufacturers refuse to include any form of 222mhz or 903Mhz capability. I would think that even plug in modules for those bands, a 2.4Ghz module and 4 meters for UK use would make the rig the ultimate IF it was married up with a kick butt HF rig. The modules could be purchased to make up the bands you wanted at the time. Rover for MW contest; put in the 2.4 and 1.2 modules. Rover for UHF contest; put in the 900 and 1.2 modules. Rover for VHF/UHF, put them all in for USA less 4 meters. Etc. The more I see of the gear that has come upon the market in the last several years, the more I like my TS-2000 with the INRAD roofing filter update. ;>)
Michael Baker K7DD k7dd@cox.net
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Simon (HB9DRV) Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 4:40 AM To: i8cvs; AMSAT-BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
Hi,
Birdies - we'll have to wait and see. Price - could well be very similar to the TS-2000. We've heard ~ 300,000 Yen. I guess we'll get more data later in
the year, would be a nice present for 2010.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "i8cvs" domenico.i8cvs@tin.it
What about birdies in the IC-9100 in comparison with TS-2000X ?
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On Aug 23, 2009, at 7:49 AM, Michael Baker wrote:
While the raw performance of a K-3 is pretty impressive, it will cost a lot more to reproduce the new ICOM-9100, or even the current TS-2000, with a K-3 and even then, you will not have the ability to do full duplex, which is required for serious satellite work. A modestly equipped K-3 with 10W 2M output will set you back $2700 or more, you need to add a 100W 2M amplifier at about $400, a 432 MHz transverter at $400, a 432 MHz amplifier at $400, a 75 Watt amp at $400, and a 1296 MHz transverter at $600, so you are close to $5k, still without the capability to do duplex for satellites.
For sheer performance you are better off with the K-3, but you pay for it, and serious satellite use is precluded. - Duffey -- KK6MC James Duffey Cedar Crest NM
I believe the K-3 sub receiver does full duplex on HF as long as you use different antenna ports. Sounds like a great solution to me. One would think you could do that with the transverters, and have a full duplex satellite radio.
73, Joe kk0sd
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of James Duffey Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:46 AM To: k7dd@cox.net Cc: James Duffey; 'AMSAT-BB' Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
On Aug 23, 2009, at 7:49 AM, Michael Baker wrote:
While the raw performance of a K-3 is pretty impressive, it will cost a lot more to reproduce the new ICOM-9100, or even the current TS-2000, with a K-3 and even then, you will not have the ability to do full duplex, which is required for serious satellite work. A modestly equipped K-3 with 10W 2M output will set you back $2700 or more, you need to add a 100W 2M amplifier at about $400, a 432 MHz transverter at $400, a 432 MHz amplifier at $400, a 75 Watt amp at $400, and a 1296 MHz transverter at $600, so you are close to $5k, still without the capability to do duplex for satellites.
For sheer performance you are better off with the K-3, but you pay for it, and serious satellite use is precluded. - Duffey -- KK6MC James Duffey Cedar Crest NM
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As far as I am aware, the current firmware in the K3 does not allow full duplex. If it did, you would still have to buy the KRX3 subreceiver at $600 and probably find transverters for 144 MHz ansd 432 MHz that do not share the same IF. As far as satellite operation goes, the K3 is not quite ready for prime time. - Duffey
-- KK6MC James Duffey Cedar Crest NM
Also I suggest that for satellite work a radio with such staggeringly good RX figures is overkill.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "James Duffey" jamesduffey@comcast.net
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Simon (HB9DRV)simon@hb9drv.ch wrote:
Thanks to all for this interesting discussion. There are a couple of points that haven't been noted yet.
I suppose if one used transverters intelligently, the duplex HF rigs could operate as a HF and satellite station, something like the TS-2000. However, it really does help to have multiple inputs all in one box. I see five connectors on the Icom; persumably the two N-connectors are for 1.2 and 435 MHz.
I note that the sign on the Icom says the 2m output is limited to 50w. Not a problem for satellite work, but might be an issue if someone wants to get their feet wet with EME. Perhaps more important for satellite operators is the *minimum* power of the transmitter on UHF and VHF. I find it annoying that the TS-2000 doesn't let me get below 5w, which is going to be quite a bit of power when I get my 11x11 2m antenna installed.
One thing I very much do like about the TS-2000 is the digital filters. The real cost of an Icom is considerably higher due to the cost of filters.
Finally, it appears this rig has a USB port. It really would make sense for manufacturers today to use the FTDI serial chip and avoid all the silliness with serial/usb converters not working properly with their protocols.
73, Bruce VE9QRP
On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 20:56 -0300, Bruce Robertson wrote: Finally, it appears this rig has a USB port. It really would make
Why not just go ethernet and assign an MAC address to it and be done with it or is ethernet another one of those protocols that have gone the route of the serial port?
James W8ISS
ICOM trash software for the D800H is terrible, and the OPC-UP478C serial to USB adapter that they sell as an accessory will not work on Vista. The FTDI chips are the best solution, but ICOM doesn't make money selling an FTDI solution. After an IC-820 and the D800 I am looking for another brand of radio. Will their new radio USB run on Vista? Art KC6UQH -----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of w8iss Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:09 PM To: Bruce Robertson Cc: AMSAT-BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New ICOM VHF / UHF / SHF Radio
On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 20:56 -0300, Bruce Robertson wrote: Finally, it appears this rig has a USB port. It really would make
Why not just go ethernet and assign an MAC address to it and be done with it or is ethernet another one of those protocols that have gone the route of the serial port?
James W8ISS
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Just thinking about omni antennas and the shadow in one direction if the antenna is mounted out from the side of the tower. Has anyone investigated mounting 3 or 4 lindenblads around a tower and determined the preferred feeding arrangement or any beneficial gain from so doing?
*/(Also posted on the 9100 BB)/*
I thinks its a "pretty" radio (for what that's worth!), the screen could have been in colour and a fish finder might have been nice.
It looks like the display on a 746 so in that regard its a bit of a throwback.
It's a TS2000 clone(ish)
Would I buy one? Maybe, but only after it had been checked out to ensure no "TS" like birdies.
Of course its a shack in a box and more so now that they have stuffed 1.2 into it - I am a bit concerned that these types of radios are jack of all trades and masters of none which is where I believe the TS falls down.
I gather that the 1.2 module is different to the 1.2 unit that goes in the 910 so no saving there; I can't take the one from my 910 - I think that's just plain wrong of Icom to expect us to buy yet another unit when I am sure the existing one could have been made to fit. That is just wrong, wrong, wrong!
This is going to be expensive and I want some other suckers with more money than sense, err...sorry, I meant enthusiasts ( :-D ) to find out where the glitches are, get Icom to fix them and bring out the IC-9100MKII before I would contemplate buying one!
Just my tuppence!
David KG4ZLB
The Flex 5000 will have a V/U full duplex, etc. module available in the late fall. WD0ACD will be talking details at AMSAT-NA annual meeting in Baltimore.
Both of these rigs, K3 and Flex 5000 with their independent high performance IF's will be very suitable for the job.
Bob
Michael Baker wrote:
On Aug 23, 2009, at 5:39 AM, Simon (HB9DRV) wrote:
I think that the price should be competitive with the TS-2000X, say $2000, if it is to be successful, unless there is something really spectacular in that box that hasn't been revealed yet. - Duffey -- KK6MC James Duffey Cedar Crest NM
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