Hi All,
I have an “out of the blue” question that hit me the other day since I am a freshmen in college and will likely move away from home sometime in the next 5+ years... I know the VUCC rules say you can count any grid towards VUCC that was worked from two locations no more than 120km apart. Lets say I have 500 grids worked by the time I move out (which is a LOT of time, work and $$), and I decide to move to SC. Are those 500 grids that I worked/confirmed no longer valid towards VUCC (if I wanted to get an endorsement)?
73!
Zack KD8KSN
Hi Zack!
I have an “out of the blue” question that hit me the other day since I am a freshmen in college and will likely move away from home sometime in the next 5+ years... I know the VUCC rules say you can count any grid towards VUCC that was worked from two locations no more than 120km apart.
Actually, the limit for the maximum distance between the locations you use for satellite VUCC is 200km, or approximately 124.2 miles. See section 6 in the current VUCC rules at:
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Awards/VUCC%20Rules%202011_Rev%2020110215.pdf
Lets say I have 500 grids worked by the time I move out (which is a LOT of time, work and $$), and I decide to move to SC. Are those 500 grids that I worked/confirmed no longer valid towards VUCC (if I wanted to get an endorsement)?
If your location in South Carolina is more than 200km from all locations you are currently operating from and using toward your current satellite VUCC, then the South Carolina location could not be used toward your existing satellite VUCC. You would have to start working on a new satellite VUCC based on your new location in South Carolina. You would still maintain your existing satellite VUCC award, and could add to it if you operate from other locations that would fall within the 200km limit for that satellite VUCC.
This probably isn't the answer you were looking for, Zack. Then again, you would have a new challenge to work stations from a new location further east than you are now.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Hi Patrick,
Your response does confirm what I thought the answer was. I guess the only thing I am wondering now is, if I move to SC, would it be acceptable to say I have 500 grids confirmed, or should I say 0? VUCC is one aspect of it, but how about the day to day grid collecting. Since it would not be counted towards an award, I do not see an issue with that, as long as you keep track of what grids were working in OH and which ones were worked in SC.
I also know it is 200km - I was confusing it with 124mi. ;-)
BTW, I am not considering moving to SC (no offense to SC residents). If I had to move somewhere other than OH it would be CO.
Thanks for the response!
Zack KD8KSN
-----Original Message----- From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 12:08 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC, grids, and a new QTH
Hi Zack!
I have an “out of the blue” question that hit me the other day since I am a freshmen in college and will likely move away from home sometime in the next 5+ years... I know the VUCC rules say you can count any grid towards VUCC that was worked from two locations no more than 120km apart.
Actually, the limit for the maximum distance between the locations you use for satellite VUCC is 200km, or approximately 124.2 miles. See section 6 in the current VUCC rules at:
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Awards/VUCC%20Rules%202011_Rev%2020110215.pdf
Lets say I have 500 grids worked by the time I move out (which is a LOT of time, work and $$), and I decide to move to SC. Are those 500 grids that I worked/confirmed no longer valid towards VUCC (if I wanted to get an endorsement)?
If your location in South Carolina is more than 200km from all locations you are currently operating from and using toward your current satellite VUCC, then the South Carolina location could not be used toward your existing satellite VUCC. You would have to start working on a new satellite VUCC based on your new location in South Carolina. You would still maintain your existing satellite VUCC award, and could add to it if you operate from other locations that would fall within the 200km limit for that satellite VUCC.
This probably isn't the answer you were looking for, Zack. Then again, you would have a new challenge to work stations from a new location further east than you are now.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Hi Zack and Patrick,
I hate to bring up a sore subject that was a topic of discussion last night, if the ARRL doesn't start confirming everyone's grids submitted over the last six months, it's a mute point. Maybe a bunch of us can corner someone at their booth next month at Dayton that will communicate their intensions.
73 and get that 500!
Rick WA4NVM
Hi Patrick,
Your response does confirm what I thought the answer was. I guess the only thing I am wondering now is, if I move to SC, would it be acceptable to say I have 500 grids confirmed, or should I say 0? VUCC is one aspect of it, but how about the day to day grid collecting. Since it would not be counted towards an award, I do not see an issue with that, as long as you keep track of what grids were working in OH and which ones were worked in SC.
I also know it is 200km - I was confusing it with 124mi. ;-)
BTW, I am not considering moving to SC (no offense to SC residents). If I had to move somewhere other than OH it would be CO.
Thanks for the response!
Zack KD8KSN
-----Original Message----- From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 12:08 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC, grids, and a new QTH
Hi Zack!
I have an “out of the blue” question that hit me the other day since I am a freshmen in college and will likely move away from home sometime in the next 5+ years... I know the VUCC rules say you can count any grid towards VUCC that was worked from two locations no more than 120km apart.
Actually, the limit for the maximum distance between the locations you use for satellite VUCC is 200km, or approximately 124.2 miles. See section 6 in the current VUCC rules at:
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Awards/VUCC%20Rules%202011_Rev%2020110215.pdf
Lets say I have 500 grids worked by the time I move out (which is a LOT of time, work and $$), and I decide to move to SC. Are those 500 grids that I worked/confirmed no longer valid towards VUCC (if I wanted to get an endorsement)?
If your location in South Carolina is more than 200km from all locations you are currently operating from and using toward your current satellite VUCC, then the South Carolina location could not be used toward your existing satellite VUCC. You would have to start working on a new satellite VUCC based on your new location in South Carolina. You would still maintain your existing satellite VUCC award, and could add to it if you operate from other locations that would fall within the 200km limit for that satellite VUCC.
This probably isn't the answer you were looking for, Zack. Then again, you would have a new challenge to work stations from a new location further east than you are now.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Zack,
Your response does confirm what I thought the answer was. I guess the only thing I am wondering now is, if I move to SC, would it be acceptable to say I have 500 grids confirmed, or should I say 0?
You could say you have 500 grids from EN80, and (insert number) from (insert other location). You'll be able to say you have satellite VUCC, along with any other awards, regardless of where you were and where you are now,
VUCC is one aspect of it, but how about the day to day grid collecting. Since it would not be counted towards an award, I do not see an issue with that, as long as you keep track of what grids were working in OH and which ones were worked in SC.
QSOs made outside that 200km limit would not count for your EN80-based satellite VUCC, but could count for a new VUCC somewhere else. You would just have to keep track of which grids you worked from each location.
Other awards have other limitations. K5OE mentioned some other awards in his recent post.
I also know it is 200km - I was confusing it with 124mi. ;-)
I thought that was the case, but wanted to ensure we were referring to the proper limit for a satellite VUCC.
BTW, I am not considering moving to SC (no offense to SC residents). If I had to move somewhere other than OH it would be CO.
If you travel a lot to some other location, you could attempt to get awards like a satellite VUCC away from home. I am gradually doing that for northern Baja California as XE2/WD9EWK and Vancouver as VA7EWK. I know it will take more trips to both places (and, for Mexico, more contributions to the Mexican federal treasury every time I get a new XE permit) to get 100 grids confirmed. For a Phoenix-based satellite VUCC (whenever that application is ever processed), I know I can operate from portions of 6 grids including the city park on the DM33xp/DM43ap grid boundary I typically operate from and remain within the 200km limit. Other road trips are for the enjoyment of working stations and confirming QSOs with those stations, even though I can't count the QSOs toward a Phoenix-based satellite VUCC. Then again, if I accumulated confirmations for 100 grids from places like DM31, I could apply for another satellite VUCC for that location.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/
I have thought about doing the reverse VUCC. I think that is the correct name. I think I will slowly work towards that, but my main enjoyment from portable operations is getting to confirm to new grids for others, along with sightseeing, using new equipment, meeting weird people, ;-) designing QSLs, etc.
Anyhow, thanks for all of the replies everyone. This answers my questions.
73!
Zack KD8KSN
-----Original Message----- From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 1:20 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC, grids, and a new QTH
Zack,
Your response does confirm what I thought the answer was. I guess the only thing I am wondering now is, if I move to SC, would it be acceptable to say I have 500 grids confirmed, or should I say 0?
You could say you have 500 grids from EN80, and (insert number) from (insert other location). You'll be able to say you have satellite VUCC, along with any other awards, regardless of where you were and where you are now,
VUCC is one aspect of it, but how about the day to day grid collecting. Since it would not be counted towards an award, I do not see an issue with that, as long as you keep track of what grids were working in OH and which ones were worked in SC.
QSOs made outside that 200km limit would not count for your EN80-based satellite VUCC, but could count for a new VUCC somewhere else. You would just have to keep track of which grids you worked from each location.
Other awards have other limitations. K5OE mentioned some other awards in his recent post.
I also know it is 200km - I was confusing it with 124mi. ;-)
I thought that was the case, but wanted to ensure we were referring to the proper limit for a satellite VUCC.
BTW, I am not considering moving to SC (no offense to SC residents). If I had to move somewhere other than OH it would be CO.
If you travel a lot to some other location, you could attempt to get awards like a satellite VUCC away from home. I am gradually doing that for northern Baja California as XE2/WD9EWK and Vancouver as VA7EWK. I know it will take more trips to both places (and, for Mexico, more contributions to the Mexican federal treasury every time I get a new XE permit) to get 100 grids confirmed. For a Phoenix-based satellite VUCC (whenever that application is ever processed), I know I can operate from portions of 6 grids including the city park on the DM33xp/DM43ap grid boundary I typically operate from and remain within the 200km limit. Other road trips are for the enjoyment of working stations and confirming QSOs with those stations, even though I can't count the QSOs toward a Phoenix-based satellite VUCC. Then again, if I accumulated confirmations for 100 grids from places like DM31, I could apply for another satellite VUCC for that location.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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I have thought about doing the reverse VUCC. I think that is the correct name. I think I will slowly work towards that, but my main enjoyment from portable operations is getting to confirm to new grids for others, along with sightseeing, using new equipment, meeting weird people, ;-) designing QSLs, etc.
You are correct. The Central States VHF Society has a Reverse VUCC award:
http://www.csvhfs.org/CSVHFVUC.HTML
There have been 2 satellite awards issued, according to this web page:
http://www.csvhfs.org/CS-VUCCr.html
I thought KD4ZGW had also obtained this award. If ND9M receives enough QSL cards, he'd also qualify for it. I've worked from 58 different grids, and may eventually get to the 100 mark.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Patrick,
The website is way behind on updates. Jim got #3 and Rob #4 months ago. I think #5 spot is open. Maybe you, John K8YSE, or some others can lock it down it the future.
We all appreciate everyone's effort just traveling to that one grid next to your home qth that is not very active. And a big thanks to the few of you that make a major effort to activate many new grids for all of us.
And what can you say about our two favorite M/M stations in the last four months. WOW! Super job Jim, ND9M and Yuri, UT1FG for their tireless effort during many sleepless nights.
Great Job, Thanks and 73,
Rick WA4NVM
I have thought about doing the reverse VUCC. I think that is the correct name. I think I will slowly work towards that, but my main enjoyment from portable operations is getting to confirm to new grids for others, along with sightseeing, using new equipment, meeting weird people, ;-) designing QSLs, etc.
You are correct. The Central States VHF Society has a Reverse VUCC award:
http://www.csvhfs.org/CSVHFVUC.HTML
There have been 2 satellite awards issued, according to this web page:
http://www.csvhfs.org/CS-VUCCr.html
I thought KD4ZGW had also obtained this award. If ND9M receives enough QSL cards, he'd also qualify for it. I've worked from 58 different grids, and may eventually get to the 100 mark.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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I have around 74 countries worked from FK78 (puerto rico) via AO-13 and other modes but that stopped in 1998 when i moved to florida. I recently installed a remote control station in Ponce PR which is in FK68. I will be able to work 6 meters and some LEO. Ponce is around 50 miles southwest of my old QTH. Am i zero for VUCC as well?
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On Apr 25, 2011, at 1:20 PM, "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" amsat-bb@wd9ewk.net wrote:
Zack,
Your response does confirm what I thought the answer was. I guess the only thing I am wondering now is, if I move to SC, would it be acceptable to say I have 500 grids confirmed, or should I say 0?
You could say you have 500 grids from EN80, and (insert number) from (insert other location). You'll be able to say you have satellite VUCC, along with any other awards, regardless of where you were and where you are now,
VUCC is one aspect of it, but how about the day to day grid collecting. Since it would not be counted towards an award, I do not see an issue with that, as long as you keep track of what grids were working in OH and which ones were worked in SC.
QSOs made outside that 200km limit would not count for your EN80-based satellite VUCC, but could count for a new VUCC somewhere else. You would just have to keep track of which grids you worked from each location.
Other awards have other limitations. K5OE mentioned some other awards in his recent post.
I also know it is 200km - I was confusing it with 124mi. ;-)
I thought that was the case, but wanted to ensure we were referring to the proper limit for a satellite VUCC.
BTW, I am not considering moving to SC (no offense to SC residents). If I had to move somewhere other than OH it would be CO.
If you travel a lot to some other location, you could attempt to get awards like a satellite VUCC away from home. I am gradually doing that for northern Baja California as XE2/WD9EWK and Vancouver as VA7EWK. I know it will take more trips to both places (and, for Mexico, more contributions to the Mexican federal treasury every time I get a new XE permit) to get 100 grids confirmed. For a Phoenix-based satellite VUCC (whenever that application is ever processed), I know I can operate from portions of 6 grids including the city park on the DM33xp/DM43ap grid boundary I typically operate from and remain within the 200km limit. Other road trips are for the enjoyment of working stations and confirming QSOs with those stations, even though I can't count the QSOs toward a Phoenix-based satellite VUCC. Then again, if I accumulated confirmations for 100 grids from places like DM31, I could apply for another satellite VUCC for that location.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Hello Ramon!
I have around 74 countries worked from FK78 (puerto rico) via AO-13 and other modes but that stopped in 1998 when i moved to florida. I recently installed a remote control station in Ponce PR which is in FK68. I will be able to work 6 meters and some LEO. Ponce is around 50 miles southwest of my old QTH. Am i zero for VUCC as well?
If your new FK68 QTH is 50 miles from your FK78 location, you don't have to start over with a new VUCC. You would be within the 200km/124.2-mile limit in the VUCC rules for satellite or 6m through 1.2 GHz. You could add to whatever you had from FK78. That distance - 50 miles - is the limit for the WAS awards, and you can work from anywhere in Puerto Rico for DXCC.
Hope to hear you on the satellites. 73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Excellent! I still recall the pileups on AO-13 from the JA's and DL's when all I wanted to do was ragchew.
6 meter is my best bet and 2m/70cm from a vertical. So when you hear me the KP4TR/W4 will be from EL87 while plain KP4TR is from either FK68 or Fk78 (I forgot the other remote I have in Carolina PR in FK78). I hope i can keep my operations organized accordingly!
Btw KP4WK is in same situation since we are sharing the remote stations.
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On Apr 25, 2011, at 2:02 PM, "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" amsat-bb@wd9ewk.net wrote:
Hello Ramon!
I have around 74 countries worked from FK78 (puerto rico) via AO-13 and other modes but that stopped in 1998 when i moved to florida. I recently installed a remote control station in Ponce PR which is in FK68. I will be able to work 6 meters and some LEO. Ponce is around 50 miles southwest of my old QTH. Am i zero for VUCC as well?
If your new FK68 QTH is 50 miles from your FK78 location, you don't have to start over with a new VUCC. You would be within the 200km/124.2-mile limit in the VUCC rules for satellite or 6m through 1.2 GHz. You could add to whatever you had from FK78. That distance - 50 miles - is the limit for the WAS awards, and you can work from anywhere in Puerto Rico for DXCC.
Hope to hear you on the satellites. 73!
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(kp4tr)Ramon Gonzalez -
Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) -
Rick - WA4NVM -
Zachary Beougher