Has anyone renewed their ham license recently. I renewed mine online and it appeared to work.
I received two very official looking letters from the FCC within a week of submitting the application.
First one was "Ref: CORES Registration Update".
Second one was "Ref: PSQ Request for your CORES FRN:xxxxxxxxx". This letter indicates "Entity Type: INDIVIDUAL ENTITY" which is reassuring.
Neither letter indicates anything is wrong nor does it mention anything about a license. I realize that the federal government is drowning in the paper work mess they have created to give them something to do but this is a bit much.
Do they ever send you an actual paper license ? I need to send a copy to the DMV to renew my ham plates. It has been almost 4 weeks. I sent in a request for duplicate license after three weeks.
TNX W9KE Tom Doyle
I renewed mine via the ARRL Program at no cost. I received a confirmation letter and an e-mail in a couple of weeks. I went to the FCC Web site and confirmed my new expiry date and then printed a paper copy of the license from that site. I also received several "official looking" letters from independent VEC entities urging me to renew using their services for a fee. I ignored and shredded those. Those independent operations scan the FCC Database and send advertisements for their services. We've come a long way since I received my first license in 1955!
HTH, YMMV, 73 Dave
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 7, 2016, at 09:39, Thomas Doyle tomdoyle1948@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone renewed their ham license recently. I renewed mine online and it appeared to work.
I received two very official looking letters from the FCC within a week of submitting the application.
First one was "Ref: CORES Registration Update".
Second one was "Ref: PSQ Request for your CORES FRN:xxxxxxxxx". This letter indicates "Entity Type: INDIVIDUAL ENTITY" which is reassuring.
Neither letter indicates anything is wrong nor does it mention anything about a license. I realize that the federal government is drowning in the paper work mess they have created to give them something to do but this is a bit much.
Do they ever send you an actual paper license ? I need to send a copy to the DMV to renew my ham plates. It has been almost 4 weeks. I sent in a request for duplicate license after three weeks.
TNX W9KE Tom Doyle _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
The FCC no longer routinely issues paper license documents to amateur radio operators.
You can request one by following the procedures laid out here: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/VEs/Obtain%20License%20Copy%202015.pdf
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Dave Mann cwo4mann@comcast.net wrote:
I renewed mine via the ARRL Program at no cost. I received a confirmation letter and an e-mail in a couple of weeks. I went to the FCC Web site and confirmed my new expiry date and then printed a paper copy of the license from that site. I also received several "official looking" letters from independent VEC entities urging me to renew using their services for a fee. I ignored and shredded those. Those independent operations scan the FCC Database and send advertisements for their services. We've come a long way since I received my first license in 1955!
HTH, YMMV, 73 Dave
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 7, 2016, at 09:39, Thomas Doyle tomdoyle1948@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone renewed their ham license recently. I renewed mine online and it appeared to work.
I received two very official looking letters from the FCC within a week of submitting the application.
First one was "Ref: CORES Registration Update".
Second one was "Ref: PSQ Request for your CORES FRN:xxxxxxxxx". This letter indicates "Entity Type: INDIVIDUAL ENTITY" which is reassuring.
Neither letter indicates anything is wrong nor does it mention anything about a license. I realize that the federal government is drowning in the paper work mess they have created to give them something to do but this is a bit much.
Do they ever send you an actual paper license ? I need to send a copy to the DMV to renew my ham plates. It has been almost 4 weeks. I sent in a request for duplicate license after three weeks.
TNX W9KE Tom Doyle _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Dave,
Renewed- online- my Commercial Radiotelegraph License, two months ago, and after the FCC received the application and granted the renewal, they sent the following e-mail- which allowed me to download an "Offical Copy" of the new T license- which never has to been renewed again:
This email is to notify you of the recent grant of your application(s). The Commission currently provides access to the official version of your electronic licenses through License Manager in the Universal Licensing System (ULS) or by email.
The official version of your recently granted license can be accessed using the link below. Please note that this link will connect you to the most current version of your license. If you use this link at a future date, any changes made after the receipt date of this email will be reflected on the authorization. This link will remain active for 30 days.
Authorization Link http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/letterPdf/LetterPdfController?token=cfde97fdbf744e0ba18eef9461e23997&op=OfficialLetterPdf
Licensing Support Center at (877) 480-3201, Option 2; TTY (717) 338-2824, or via the web at https://esupport.fcc.gov/request.htm
73, Jim (N6MV)
On 7/7/2016 7:50 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
The FCC no longer routinely issues paper license documents to amateur radio operators.
You can request one by following the procedures laid out here: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/VEs/Obtain%20License%20Copy%202015.pdf
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Dave Mann cwo4mann@comcast.net wrote:
I renewed mine via the ARRL Program at no cost. I received a confirmation letter and an e-mail in a couple of weeks. I went to the FCC Web site and confirmed my new expiry date and then printed a paper copy of the license from that site. I also received several "official looking" letters from independent VEC entities urging me to renew using their services for a fee. I ignored and shredded those. Those independent operations scan the FCC Database and send advertisements for their services. We've come a long way since I received my first license in 1955!
HTH, YMMV, 73 Dave
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 7, 2016, at 09:39, Thomas Doyle tomdoyle1948@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone renewed their ham license recently. I renewed mine online and it appeared to work.
I received two very official looking letters from the FCC within a week of submitting the application.
First one was "Ref: CORES Registration Update".
Second one was "Ref: PSQ Request for your CORES FRN:xxxxxxxxx". This letter indicates "Entity Type: INDIVIDUAL ENTITY" which is reassuring.
Neither letter indicates anything is wrong nor does it mention anything about a license. I realize that the federal government is drowning in the paper work mess they have created to give them something to do but this is a bit much.
Do they ever send you an actual paper license ? I need to send a copy to the DMV to renew my ham plates. It has been almost 4 weeks. I sent in a request for duplicate license after three weeks.
TNX W9KE Tom Doyle _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
You can request one by following the procedures laid out here: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/VEs/Obtain%20License%20Copy%202015.pdf
Unfortunately, the FCC seems unable to make use of the same digital signature used by the rest of the federal government on PDFs so the document you print isn't anything approaching a legal copy of your license (and, in any case, the "license grant" is the DB record and not the paper and it's been that way for at least a decade). Be nice if they could get their IT ... stuff together. It's not hard - see, for example: https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2016-07-07/pdf/2016-16047.pdf
And, speaking of the FCC not having their IT stuff together:
http://www.arrl.org/news/view/fcc-investigating-amateur-radio-commercial-app...
Hi!
When this announcement came out last fall, I logged into the FCC's ULS system and set my preferences to send a paper copy of my licenses. When I renewed my amateur license in March, I had a paper copy in my PO box about a week after I did the renewal online. It had "Official Copy" printed across it, front and back, and was printed on what appears to be normal white copier/printer paper.
I just logged into the ULS system this morning, and downloaded a PDF file with all of my FCC licenses/permits - my amateur license, a GMRS license, and a Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit. These also had "Official Copy" across each page in the 5- page PDF file - two pages each for the amateur license and RROP, and one page for the GMRS license. This is different than the PDF file I downloaded from the ULS system after I logged out. Anyone can download a "Reference Copy" PDF of an FCC license, which has "Reference Copy" printed across each page of the PDF.
I may go back and change my preference to skip the paper copy of my FCC licenses being mailed to me. For now, I'll leave it as is. Even though we are not required to carry a paper copy of our amateur licenses when operating in the US, I prefer to have the wallet- card version on me for those occasions where I might be asked for it.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
The FCC no longer routinely issues paper license documents to amateur radio operators.
You can request one by following the procedures laid out here: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/VEs/Obtain%20License%20Copy%202015.pdf
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) amsat-bb@wd9ewk.net wrote:
and one page for the GMRS license. This is different than the PDF file I downloaded from the ULS system after I logged out. Anyone can download a "Reference Copy" PDF of an FCC license, which has "Reference Copy" printed across each page of the PDF.
Sadly, though, no digital signature ... At least they set the doc restrictions to Not Allowed for everything but printing. Easy to create one that looks just like it with fake info without the signature, though.
Thanks for pointing out the Official vs Reference - I'd not noticed that before.
Peter,
Anyone could Photoshop an "Official Copy" license document for printing, even if the PDF carried a digital signature. Other than for operating outside the USA where the printed license is required (CEPT, IARP, or other arrangements), FCC rules state that we are licensed if we have a call sign in the ULS database. That's been the case for some time, even before the recent change to not mail paper copies of licenses by default.
Even though FCC rules don't require us to have a paper copy of our license with us, with a few exceptions mentioned above, I still keep the card version of my license with me. It has been helpful, even if that happens just outside US borders.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Peter Laws plaws0@gmail.com wrote:
Sadly, though, no digital signature ... At least they set the doc restrictions to Not Allowed for everything but printing. Easy to create one that looks just like it with fake info without the signature, though.
Thanks for pointing out the Official vs Reference - I'd not noticed that before.
-- Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train! _______________________________________________
The FCC quit issuing paper licenses in February 2015. You may download a reference copy of your license on the ULS site.
How to Obtain an Official FCC License Copy
http://www.arrl.org/obtain-license-copy
Glenn AA5PK
-----Original Message----- From: Thomas Doyle Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 9:39 AM To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] FCC License Question
Has anyone renewed their ham license recently. I renewed mine online and it appeared to work.
I received two very official looking letters from the FCC within a week of submitting the application.
First one was "Ref: CORES Registration Update".
Second one was "Ref: PSQ Request for your CORES FRN:xxxxxxxxx". This letter indicates "Entity Type: INDIVIDUAL ENTITY" which is reassuring.
Neither letter indicates anything is wrong nor does it mention anything about a license. I realize that the federal government is drowning in the paper work mess they have created to give them something to do but this is a bit much.
Do they ever send you an actual paper license ? I need to send a copy to the DMV to renew my ham plates. It has been almost 4 weeks. I sent in a request for duplicate license after three weeks.
TNX W9KE Tom Doyle _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
I recently renewed mine online and requested a paper copy. I received it in about 3 weeks. Doesn't look any different than if I printed it at home. I guess pretty soon we will be able to print money the same way :)
Howie AB2S
From: aa5pk@suddenlink.net To: tomdoyle1948@gmail.com; AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:45:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FCC License Question
The FCC quit issuing paper licenses in February 2015. You may download a reference copy of your license on the ULS site.
How to Obtain an Official FCC License Copy
http://www.arrl.org/obtain-license-copy
Glenn AA5PK
-----Original Message----- From: Thomas Doyle Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 9:39 AM To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] FCC License Question
Has anyone renewed their ham license recently. I renewed mine online and it appeared to work.
I received two very official looking letters from the FCC within a week of submitting the application.
First one was "Ref: CORES Registration Update".
Second one was "Ref: PSQ Request for your CORES FRN:xxxxxxxxx". This letter indicates "Entity Type: INDIVIDUAL ENTITY" which is reassuring.
Neither letter indicates anything is wrong nor does it mention anything about a license. I realize that the federal government is drowning in the paper work mess they have created to give them something to do but this is a bit much.
Do they ever send you an actual paper license ? I need to send a copy to the DMV to renew my ham plates. It has been almost 4 weeks. I sent in a request for duplicate license after three weeks.
TNX W9KE Tom Doyle _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Tom, No more paper license mailed to you. This has been for a number of months now. But using the FRN number you can log in and print your own license.
Don WB5EKU
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Thomas Doyle tomdoyle1948@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone renewed their ham license recently. I renewed mine online and it appeared to work.
I received two very official looking letters from the FCC within a week of submitting the application.
First one was "Ref: CORES Registration Update".
Second one was "Ref: PSQ Request for your CORES FRN:xxxxxxxxx". This letter indicates "Entity Type: INDIVIDUAL ENTITY" which is reassuring.
Neither letter indicates anything is wrong nor does it mention anything about a license. I realize that the federal government is drowning in the paper work mess they have created to give them something to do but this is a bit much.
Do they ever send you an actual paper license ? I need to send a copy to the DMV to renew my ham plates. It has been almost 4 weeks. I sent in a request for duplicate license after three weeks.
TNX W9KE Tom Doyle _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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