I started in Satellites when the Mode K sats were popular. When they died, I lost interest. When Sunsat was popular, I tried...but soon found that working for a LARGE telecom demanded more from me than I could devote to radio.
Maybe it's just me, but I have noticed in my 2nd incarnation on the Ham Sats that some users insist on attempting the LONG QSO. This, I feel, is rather unfair given the fact that these sats are not the Oscar 10 variety...allowing long QSOs. Rich, N2SPI, at the 2007 Rochester Hamfest said that they are like working a contest...because the passes are so fast.
Today, as also noticed on many passes past, one ham in Michigan, relishes in being longwinded. I have complained to him directly...not on my behalf...but for the OTHERS I heard in FN02...03...and 12 trying to access SO-50. I'm not worried about my situation. But when I can hear locals with HTs trying to work the birds...and some INSIST on holding 80 meter style chats, I get a bit peeved. (I'm adding an amp to deal with THIS particular issue....)
Am I being petty? I welcome the critiques, since I am new to sats.
Don't hold back. I RESPECT the truth.
Thanks.
John KB2HSH
--- "John Marranca, Jr" [email protected] wrote:
Today, as also noticed on many passes past, one ham in Michigan, relishes in being longwinded. I have complained to him directly...not on my
John,
I know who you're talking about; probably everyone does, and there are at least 2 others that I can think of. When I first got on the FM satellites, I patiently waited for my turn; and suddenly realised that I was never getting a turn because of these guys. Any more, if I want a contact, then I just make a call over them. At some point, it turns into a power battle, I suppose. It's a shame, but unless the guy personally put the satellite up there, then the pass is mine just as much as it is his.
Bob - AE6RV
Rather than getting an amp and engaging in a power battle (where you could then be construed as CAUSING INTENTIONAL INTERFERENCE to this guy) would it not be better for AMSAT or one of the control stations to contact the longwinded station in an official capacity letting him know that if he keeps hogging the sat passes he will not be welcome. At least in the los angeles basin we quite effectively handle this type of thing on land based repeaters the same way. They either knock it off or after doccumenting a pattern they get officially told they may not use the resource (repeater/satellite) if they keep it up after this the documentation goes to the fcc who sends them another (NICE) letter TELLING them they will cease and desist the activity or risk forfeiture. They either stop or the fcc takes there gear and their ham license. quite effective! somehow I think this guy would get the mesage with the first official letter from an amsat representative.
af6ep
On 10/4/07, John Marranca, Jr [email protected] wrote:
I started in Satellites when the Mode K sats were popular. When they died, I lost interest. When Sunsat was popular, I tried...but soon found that working for a LARGE telecom demanded more from me than I could devote to radio.
Maybe it's just me, but I have noticed in my 2nd incarnation on the Ham Sats that some users insist on attempting the LONG QSO. This, I feel, is rather unfair given the fact that these sats are not the Oscar 10 variety...allowing long QSOs. Rich, N2SPI, at the 2007 Rochester Hamfest said that they are like working a contest...because the passes are so fast.
Today, as also noticed on many passes past, one ham in Michigan, relishes in being longwinded. I have complained to him directly...not on my behalf...but for the OTHERS I heard in FN02...03...and 12 trying to access SO-50. I'm not worried about my situation. But when I can hear locals with HTs trying to work the birds...and some INSIST on holding 80 meter style chats, I get a bit peeved. (I'm adding an amp to deal with THIS particular issue....)
Am I being petty? I welcome the critiques, since I am new to sats.
Don't hold back. I RESPECT the truth.
Thanks.
John KB2HSH _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
--- Eric Fort [email protected] wrote:
Rather than getting an amp and engaging in a power battle (where you could then be construed as CAUSING INTENTIONAL INTERFERENCE to this guy) would it not be better for AMSAT or one of the control stations to contact the longwinded station in an official capacity letting him know that if he keeps hogging the sat passes he will not be welcome.
Yes, it would be better if AMSAT contacted the guy. But, satellite resources are too precious for it to be even remotely reasonable to say "I got here first so the satellite's mine for the entire pass and if you make a QSO you're interfering".
Making contacts and ignoring these guys is not the same thing as whistling in the mike (which I've heard on AO-51 and SO-50) or keying a dead carrier (which I've also heard) or anything else to deliberately interfere. I've heard multiple grid exchanges going on at the same time on the EZ-sats and it often works out pretty well. It also reminds the few that there are others out there wanting to talk to someone, too, and they sometimes even take the hint.
Do we have "laws" established for what an EZ-sat QSO is and how long it should last? Do we even want such laws? Gentlemen's agreement's usually work out pretty well. When they don't, then often notices from an OO are ignored and/or laughed at, (Remember Dan and Jon?) and sometimes the first letter from the FCC is even binned. That's when we get the pleasure of reading their callsigns and names on the board of shame on ARRL (the fcc actions page). By my book, being a gentleman means trying to ensure that everyone gets to enjoy the pass - that "everyone" also just happens to include me. "One and done" works pretty good on a busy pass.
Bob - AE6RV
At 04:03 PM 10/5/2007, Bob Stewart wrote:
Do we have "laws" established for what an EZ-sat QSO is and how long it should last? Do we even want such laws? Gentlemen's agreement's usually work out pretty
http://vkradio.com/satiquette.html <-- Was written in the SO-35 days (which was quite a busy bird, even down here), but relevant for any FM satellite, and probably could be fine tuned for US/EU conditions. :)
to ensure that everyone gets to enjoy the pass - that "everyone" also just happens to include me. "One and done" works pretty good on a busy pass.
If it's that busy, definitely. :)
73 de VK3JED http://vkradio.com
Some of us old(er) timers can remember the KL7 who used to hold court for hours in the AO-10/AO-13 days. Plenty of bandwidth, but he used enough power to bounce the entire passband through the AGC, making things difficult for everybody else. One of the first points I make to people I Elmer is that the FM birds are generally not good for communications, but only for making contacts. Most people either adapt to that quickly, and/or move to the remaining linear birds. Still, there are always a few problem children among us.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
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