Folks,
I answer QSLs for my rover ops when I can, but everyone gets a card eventually. Generally it takes me a month or two. Harassing and threatening me by email doesn't help at all.
73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: Jeff Lamb nx9b@comcast.net Date: April 13, 2015 at 8:27:28 AM EDT To: "glasbrenner@mindspring.com" glasbrenner@mindspring.com Subject: Final email.
Drew, this is my final email to you about my QSL cards that I sent you an SASE for back in mid January. You have refused to acknowledge any previous attempts to contact you about this problem. If you do not acknowledge receipt of my correspondence, my next action will be in a much more public forum.
You have plenty of time to work Yuri but you can't fill out my cards?
I can tell you that I send out QSL cards to everyone I work from portable, usually at my own expense and upload all to LoTW. It's just the way it's supposed to be done.
The ball is in your court but your time is running out. If I have not heard from you by week's end, this will go public and not in a flattering way.
Your call.
73 de Jeff, NX9B, EM66sj
oh boy.... i cannot tell you how many stations i have sent cards to over the past 25 years and have never received a card back. and a demand that if you don't send a card or reply to my email i am going public. really?
one station in particular is a foreign country. sent a card with irc, no reply. sent a card with irc and $1 and no reply. sent a card with irc and $5 and no reply. had someone going to iceland knock on his door and ask for a card, no he said. gave up with iceland on satellite. of course, that was back in ao-13/ao-40 days.
then there was a stateside station. sent me a qsl request but no envelope. this was before lotw. he bashed me on the bb saying that i was the most discourteous amsat member because this was the most cost effective way to exchange cards. he sends a card and pays postage to me and then i pay the postage back to him. that would be great if i needed another card from his state (which i don't). therefore, the most cost effective way for him to exchange cards was to cost me money.
now with lotw, i don't chase paper cards that much. well, don't chase any cards that much except hf honor roll... 7 more.
73...bruce
On 4/13/2015 7:48 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
Folks,
I answer QSLs for my rover ops when I can, but everyone gets a card eventually. Generally it takes me a month or two. Harassing and threatening me by email doesn't help at all.
73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone
Bruce, et al: It's very frustrating when you try numerous times to get a neededQSL/confirmation. Been there, done that, so many times I can'teven remember. Sometimes, no amount of money or number ofdifferent methods will work. Finally, you just have to give up anddelete the QSO. On a couple of occasions, a Ham Friend knew I was traveling toa particular location and asked if I'd meet up with a Ham that owedhim a QSL. The friend set everything up and I met the Ham and gotthe card and we had a great eyeball QSO over coffee and shared somegood stories. My advice is to go to your QRZ.com page and outline specifically whatyour QSL'ing policies are - LoTW, QSL Card w/SASE, eQSL, "don't", etc.Then, everyone will know what to expect. Sometimes, a friendly e-mailwill work as a reminder if it has been a long time - emphasis on friendly. GL/73, Bob K8BL P.S. Please use your name AND CALL on your BB postings. I see a lot that are merely signed as Joe or Tom or Fred, etc. Who ARE you?? From: Bruce kk5do@arrl.net To: Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com; "amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
oh boy.... i cannot tell you how many stations i have sent cards to over the past 25 years and have never received a card back. and a demand that if you don't send a card or reply to my email i am going public. really?
one station in particular is a foreign country. sent a card with irc, no reply. sent a card with irc and $1 and no reply. sent a card with irc and $5 and no reply. had someone going to iceland knock on his door and ask for a card, no he said. gave up with iceland on satellite. of course, that was back in ao-13/ao-40 days.
then there was a stateside station. sent me a qsl request but no envelope. this was before lotw. he bashed me on the bb saying that i was the most discourteous amsat member because this was the most cost effective way to exchange cards. he sends a card and pays postage to me and then i pay the postage back to him. that would be great if i needed another card from his state (which i don't). therefore, the most cost effective way for him to exchange cards was to cost me money.
now with lotw, i don't chase paper cards that much. well, don't chase any cards that much except hf honor roll... 7 more.
73...bruce
On 4/13/2015 7:48 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
Folks,
I answer QSLs for my rover ops when I can, but everyone gets a card eventually. Generally it takes me a month or two. Harassing and threatening me by email doesn't help at all.
73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone
Just my two cents:
<2Cents> You know, I haven't seen this much "debate" since the CW/no CW debates of a few years ago and it's about as productive.
THIS IS A HOBBY! If you stress out over not receiving a QSL "quickly" (or at all) then maybe you should choose a different hobby. I've received QSL cards two or three years after the QSO and having "written it off," so what, I got the card. I know there are guys and gals out there who love getting that "rare one" and just can't wait to get the card. I know, been there, done that but is it worth getting stressed when it takes "too long?" </2Cents>
Ok, I feel better now.
Kevin Muenzler, WB5RUE EL09uf Eagle Creek Observatory http://www.eaglecreekobservatory.org I'm not very good with advice, can I interest you in a sarcastic comment?
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of R.T.Liddy Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 11:49 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
Bruce, et al: It's very frustrating when you try numerous times to get a neededQSL/confirmation. Been there, done that, so many times I can'teven remember. Sometimes, no amount of money or number ofdifferent methods will work. Finally, you just have to give up anddelete the QSO. On a couple of occasions, a Ham Friend knew I was traveling toa particular location and asked if I'd meet up with a Ham that owedhim a QSL. The friend set everything up and I met the Ham and gotthe card and we had a great eyeball QSO over coffee and shared somegood stories. My advice is to go to your QRZ.com page and outline specifically whatyour QSL'ing policies are - LoTW, QSL Card w/SASE, eQSL, "don't", etc.Then, everyone will know what to expect. Sometimes, a friendly e-mailwill work as a reminder if it has been a long time - emphasis on friendly. GL/73, Bob K8BL P.S. Please use your name AND CALL on your BB postings. I see a lot that are merely signed as Joe or Tom or Fred, etc. Who ARE you?? From: Bruce kk5do@arrl.net To: Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com; "amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Final email.
oh boy.... i cannot tell you how many stations i have sent cards to over the past 25 years and have never received a card back. and a demand that if you don't send a card or reply to my email i am going public. really?
one station in particular is a foreign country. sent a card with irc, no reply. sent a card with irc and $1 and no reply. sent a card with irc and $5 and no reply. had someone going to iceland knock on his door and ask for a card, no he said. gave up with iceland on satellite. of course, that was back in ao-13/ao-40 days.
then there was a stateside station. sent me a qsl request but no envelope. this was before lotw. he bashed me on the bb saying that i was the most discourteous amsat member because this was the most cost effective way to exchange cards. he sends a card and pays postage to me and then i pay the postage back to him. that would be great if i needed another card from his state (which i don't). therefore, the most cost effective way for him to exchange cards was to cost me money.
now with lotw, i don't chase paper cards that much. well, don't chase any cards that much except hf honor roll... 7 more.
73...bruce
On 4/13/2015 7:48 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
Folks,
I answer QSLs for my rover ops when I can, but everyone gets a card eventually. Generally it takes me a month or two. Harassing and threatening me by email doesn't help at all.
73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone
If only the title were accurate....
Threatening public humiliation over QSL Cards is pretty low for any radio ham, Like you Drew all cards get responded too but it takes time even if they are direct anything between 1-5 months, if its via the bureau it could take many years.
Guess thats the bonus of LoTW its much quicker :-)
73,
Peter, 2E0SQL
On 13 April 2015 at 13:48, Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com wrote:
Folks,
I answer QSLs for my rover ops when I can, but everyone gets a card eventually. Generally it takes me a month or two. Harassing and threatening me by email doesn't help at all.
73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: Jeff Lamb nx9b@comcast.net Date: April 13, 2015 at 8:27:28 AM EDT To: "glasbrenner@mindspring.com" glasbrenner@mindspring.com Subject: Final email.
Drew, this is my final email to you about my QSL cards that I sent you an SASE for back in mid January. You have refused to acknowledge any previous attempts to contact you about this problem. If you do not acknowledge receipt of my correspondence, my next action will be in a much more public forum.
You have plenty of time to work Yuri but you can't fill out my cards?
I can tell you that I send out QSL cards to everyone I work from portable, usually at my own expense and upload all to LoTW. It's just the way it's supposed to be done.
The ball is in your court but your time is running out. If I have not heard from you by week's end, this will go public and not in a flattering way.
Your call.
73 de Jeff, NX9B, EM66sj
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Of course, there is the possibility that something got lost in the post. It happens all the time. I often have magazines go missing, so I contact the publisher and arrange for a replacement to be sent, if it's still available.
Also, postal services sometimes mis-route items, so I imagine that some of my QSLs or the ones from the other stations, might have, somehow, ended up in Lower Slobbovia or Coleslawvania.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
I'm not the most patient person, so I have sent the occasional email about QSL cards. Always courteous and in search of a solution to get the card (especially when it's one of the last few for an award). I certainly have never threatened to out a non-QSLer.
I'm sometimes slow getting my QSLs and other mail out, but they will go out if you request it. If you send me a nice email, that will expedite it. If you send me an email threatening to out me publicly, you'll probably never get one.
The great thing about LoTW is that it takes one upload to QSL everyone you work in a certain location. There should never be a time when just a "few" of those that work someone in a certain location get their LoTW confirmations.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Peter Goodhall peter@m3php.com wrote:
Threatening public humiliation over QSL Cards is pretty low for any radio ham, Like you Drew all cards get responded too but it takes time even if they are direct anything between 1-5 months, if its via the bureau it could take many years.
Guess thats the bonus of LoTW its much quicker :-)
73,
Peter, 2E0SQL
On 13 April 2015 at 13:48, Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com wrote:
Folks,
I answer QSLs for my rover ops when I can, but everyone gets a card eventually. Generally it takes me a month or two. Harassing and threatening me by email doesn't help at all.
73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: Jeff Lamb nx9b@comcast.net Date: April 13, 2015 at 8:27:28 AM EDT To: "glasbrenner@mindspring.com" glasbrenner@mindspring.com Subject: Final email.
Drew, this is my final email to you about my QSL cards that I sent you an SASE for back in mid January. You have refused to acknowledge any previous attempts to contact you about this problem. If you do not acknowledge receipt of my correspondence, my next action will be in a much more public forum.
You have plenty of time to work Yuri but you can't fill out my cards?
I can tell you that I send out QSL cards to everyone I work from portable, usually at my own expense and upload all to LoTW. It's just the way it's supposed to be done.
The ball is in your court but your time is running out. If I have not heard from you by week's end, this will go public and not in a flattering way.
Your call.
73 de Jeff, NX9B, EM66sj
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Looks like someone needs to decaffeinate. I can send you the name and number of my psychiatrist if you're having issues.
Steve AI9IN
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
I'm not the most patient person, so I have sent the occasional email about QSL cards. Always courteous and in search of a solution to get the card (especially when it's one of the last few for an award). I certainly have never threatened to out a non-QSLer.
I'm sometimes slow getting my QSLs and other mail out, but they will go out if you request it. If you send me a nice email, that will expedite it. If you send me an email threatening to out me publicly, you'll probably never get one.
The great thing about LoTW is that it takes one upload to QSL everyone you work in a certain location. There should never be a time when just a "few" of those that work someone in a certain location get their LoTW confirmations.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Peter Goodhall peter@m3php.com wrote:
Threatening public humiliation over QSL Cards is pretty low for any radio ham, Like you Drew all cards get responded too but it takes time even if they are direct anything between 1-5 months, if its via the bureau it could take many years.
Guess thats the bonus of LoTW its much quicker :-)
73,
Peter, 2E0SQL
On 13 April 2015 at 13:48, Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com wrote:
Folks,
I answer QSLs for my rover ops when I can, but everyone gets a card
eventually. Generally it takes me a month or two. Harassing and threatening me by email doesn't help at all.
73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: Jeff Lamb nx9b@comcast.net Date: April 13, 2015 at 8:27:28 AM EDT To: "glasbrenner@mindspring.com" glasbrenner@mindspring.com Subject: Final email.
Drew, this is my final email to you about my QSL cards that I sent you
an SASE for back in mid January.
You have refused to acknowledge any previous attempts to contact you
about this problem.
If you do not acknowledge receipt of my correspondence, my next action
will be in a much more public forum.
You have plenty of time to work Yuri but you can't fill out my cards?
I can tell you that I send out QSL cards to everyone I work from
portable, usually at my own expense and upload all to LoTW. It's just the way it's supposed to be done.
The ball is in your court but your time is running out. If I have not
heard from you by week's end, this will go public and not in a flattering way.
Your call.
73 de Jeff, NX9B, EM66sj
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On 4/13/2015 10:18 AM, Steve Kristoff wrote:
Looks like someone needs to decaffeinate. I can send you the name and number of my psychiatrist if you're having issues.
Steve AI9IN
I can see both sides of the issue. One side wants the card as quickly as possible and the other side sees themselves providing a service for free so just be happy it's getting done.
One quick thought that would help both sides: don't volunteer to answer QSL cards if you know you can't get them out in a timely manner. It saves the volunteer from being rushed and constantly bothered to do something for which they're not being paid and it saves the receiver of the card the nervousness and impatience of not getting a card as soon as they can.
We have this same problem in a charity with which I volunteer. We sometimes have people who want to take on a project, but don't really have the time to give it their best effort. The result is everyone getting frustrated and in the end, the project suffers or is abandoned altogether. Everyone's intentions are good, but sometimes the time just isn't there and that's completely understandable.
Patrick K4PNR
I for one will not do any of the on line stuff but if requested I will send a QSL card in an envelop.
John
Hi!
One quick thought that would help both sides: don't volunteer to answer QSL cards if you know you can't get them out in a timely manner. It saves the volunteer from being rushed and constantly bothered to do something for which they're not being paid and it saves the receiver of the card the nervousness and impatience of not getting a card as soon as they can.
First of all, define "timely manner". This is a very subjective standard, and will differ based on the QSO/QSL scenario.
If someone doesn't want to deal with QSL cards, this is something that could be clearly noted on QRZ.com. In fact, that site now has yes/no questions for how QSLs are handled by stations - by mail, eQSL, or Logbook of the World. Using the biography section in your QRZ.com entry to clearly spell this out is also recommended to get the point across.
For others, real life can get in the way of this hobby and this part of the hobby. Think work, family, etc. For me, I have been at events representing AMSAT (along with other operating) over the past 5 weekends in different locations around Arizona, Nevada, and California. I have one more event coming up this Friday evening in Tucson, before I have a weekend where I can be at home for more than part of one weekend day. I am behind in my own QSLing, going back to a couple of events in mid-February in California and Arizona. All of these QSOs have been uploaded to Logbook of the World, sometimes the same day the QSOs were made, or within 24-48 hours of the QSOs. I enjoy answering the QSL requests I get in the mail. In fact, for most of my road trips, I will typically send QSL cards out to everyone I work - even if I didn't get a request from them in the first place. Especially if I had been operating from rarely-heard locations on the satellites.
Since I should be home on Saturday and Sunday next weekend, I should have time to get cards printed for all of those events and the different locations I've worked from over the past couple of months. I hope to get the majority of those QSLs to the post office by next Monday morning. Even for QSOs I made in mid-February, I would consider this to be responding in a "timely manner". You might not, and others might not, but that's the problem with a subjective standard.
It's unfortunate that NX9B resorted to sending KO4MA that e-mail. I am glad to see that Drew took the matter public, to disarm the threat from that e-mail.
73.
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK
Sorry Patrick,
but two bads do not make one good. As inappropriate as any threat is, the mail was to Drew alone and he could have handled that. Making it a "public spectacle" and now a shaming exercise is not a good thing either. All of us overreact out of frustration (sometimes). Having it played out in the public domain serves nobody. Hopefully we can close it now and move on...
My 2 cents,
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) < amsat-bb@wd9ewk.net> wrote:
Hi!
One quick thought that would help both sides: don't volunteer to answer
QSL
cards if you know you can't get them out in a timely manner. It saves the volunteer from being rushed and constantly bothered to do something for which they're not being paid and it saves the receiver of the card the nervousness and impatience of not getting a card as soon as they can.
First of all, define "timely manner". This is a very subjective standard, and will differ based on the QSO/QSL scenario.
If someone doesn't want to deal with QSL cards, this is something that could be clearly noted on QRZ.com. In fact, that site now has yes/no questions for how QSLs are handled by stations - by mail, eQSL, or Logbook of the World. Using the biography section in your QRZ.com entry to clearly spell this out is also recommended to get the point across.
For others, real life can get in the way of this hobby and this part of the hobby. Think work, family, etc. For me, I have been at events representing AMSAT (along with other operating) over the past 5 weekends in different locations around Arizona, Nevada, and California. I have one more event coming up this Friday evening in Tucson, before I have a weekend where I can be at home for more than part of one weekend day. I am behind in my own QSLing, going back to a couple of events in mid-February in California and Arizona. All of these QSOs have been uploaded to Logbook of the World, sometimes the same day the QSOs were made, or within 24-48 hours of the QSOs. I enjoy answering the QSL requests I get in the mail. In fact, for most of my road trips, I will typically send QSL cards out to everyone I work - even if I didn't get a request from them in the first place. Especially if I had been operating from rarely-heard locations on the satellites.
Since I should be home on Saturday and Sunday next weekend, I should have time to get cards printed for all of those events and the different locations I've worked from over the past couple of months. I hope to get the majority of those QSLs to the post office by next Monday morning. Even for QSOs I made in mid-February, I would consider this to be responding in a "timely manner". You might not, and others might not, but that's the problem with a subjective standard.
It's unfortunate that NX9B resorted to sending KO4MA that e-mail. I am glad to see that Drew took the matter public, to disarm the threat from that e-mail.
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Stefan,
Normally, I would agree with you on that general principle. Drew decided to answer the shakedown by shining the light of day (or, at least, posting it on the AMSAT-BB) to disarm the threat levied in the original e-mail. Knowing that Drew is one of many operators who has worked from many locations for a long time, and has traditionally been good at answering QSL requests, it is unfortunate that he had to receive an e-mail like he did this morning.
Having this play out in public may have served one purpose - a reminder that this is still a hobby, and that real life sometimes gets in the way of the hobby.
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Stefan Wagener wrote:
Sorry Patrick,
but two bads do not make one good. As inappropriate as any threat is, the mail was to Drew alone and he could have handled that. Making it a "public spectacle" and now a shaming exercise is not a good thing either. All of us overreact out of frustration (sometimes). Having it played out in the public domain serves nobody. Hopefully we can close it now and move on...
My 2 cents,
Stefan, VE4NSA
Would someone be so kind as to point out where a QSL card is required?
As far as I know there is no rules at all about them.
Therefore no ham "OWES" you a QSL card it is a courtesy and if you send one and get one great! if not oh well work someone else and get your card, but working someone and then demanding a card or else is totally unacceptable,
IMHO Kevin WA6FWF
Hi Patrick.
No problem. I know we can agree to disagree :-) Keep up the good work,
73 Stefan, VE4NSA
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Patrick STODDARD patrick@wd9ewk.net wrote:
Stefan,
Normally, I would agree with you on that general principle. Drew decided to answer the shakedown by shining the light of day (or, at least, posting it on the AMSAT-BB) to disarm the threat levied in the original e-mail. Knowing that Drew is one of many operators who has worked from many locations for a long time, and has traditionally been good at answering QSL requests, it is unfortunate that he had to receive an e-mail like he did this morning.
Having this play out in public may have served one purpose - a reminder that this is still a hobby, and that real life sometimes gets in the way of the hobby.
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Stefan Wagener wrote:
Sorry Patrick,
but two bads do not make one good. As inappropriate as any threat is, the mail was to Drew alone and he could have handled that. Making it a
"public
spectacle" and now a shaming exercise is not a good thing either. All of
us
overreact out of frustration (sometimes). Having it played out in the
public
domain serves nobody. Hopefully we can close it now and move on...
My 2 cents,
Stefan, VE4NSA
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Quoting Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) who wrote on Mon 2015-04-13 at 09:44:
If someone doesn't want to deal with QSL cards, this is something that could be clearly noted on QRZ.com. In fact, that site now has yes/no questions for how QSLs are handled by stations - by mail, eQSL, or Logbook of the World. Using the biography section in your QRZ.com entry to clearly spell this out is also recommended to get the point across.
The last issue of the Veron (Dutch radio club) magazine had a mention that due to rising costs of QSL forwarding by the different QSL bureaus it's a good idea to publish a clear QSL policy. QRZ.com or other sites where you publish about yourself related to your callsign are a good place to mention your QSL policy.
Koos van den Hout PD4KH
On 4/13/2015 12:44 PM, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) wrote:
First of all, define "timely manner". This is a very subjective standard, and will differ based on the QSO/QSL scenario.
I understand completely. Like all disputes, this one is mainly based on miscommunication (or no communication) between the two parties. I think the best thing to do is post on QRZ (or wherever) an advisory along the lines of "I will QSL when I get time but I'm a very busy person so don't expect it inside of 6 months". :)
I do think if someone is emailing you and getting frustrated, the best avenue to settle things is to either a) answer and explain or b) take care of whatever it is the complaint is about and get on with your life. In this case, personally, I'd just taken the two minutes to fill out the QSL and dropped it in the mail. If for anything, just so I didn't have to be bothered anymore. Sometimes sticking with your pride and making a point isn't the best way to handle things, even if you're 100% in the right.
We're all hams and members of an extended "ham family". We need to be watching out for each other, doing whatever we can to help one another, and sticking together in order to ensure a firm stand against those people who don't have our best interests at heart. If that means sometimes I have to cut someone slack I don't particularly like, then so be it. I'll expect the same treatment when I fall short as well. :)
Patrick K4PNR
I'm still the new guy around this community, and try to sit back and listen and learn. But here's the thing... this is a threat, a threat over something as utterly silly as QSL card delay. Wow. So as the new guy I'm going to come out and say that this is unacceptable.
In my short 9 months of operating satellites, I've made nearly 1000 contacts and operated from 30 different grids. I have (at least) two 1000 mile plus trips planned for May and June where I'll be bringing my sat gear with me, and probably more as work trips ramp back up this fall. I've gone out of my way to activate grids for this, and other individuals, and I QSL via LOTW or card - all people have to do is ask. It's fun, I like it, and I enjoy it. I rove... a lot.. and I fill out a lot of cards. With this in mind, as of today I am implementing a new policy for my roving:
If you act like a jerk to other members of this community, I will not answer you when I rove. It's that simple. That way there is no heartburn over late QSL cards, because we'll have never made contact in the first place.
73, Dave, KG5CCI
On 4/13/2015 7:48 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
Folks,
I answer QSLs for my rover ops when I can, but everyone gets a card eventually. Generally it takes me a month or two. Harassing and threatening me by email doesn't help at all.
73, Drew KO4MA
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From: Jeff Lamb nx9b@comcast.net Date: April 13, 2015 at 8:27:28 AM EDT To: "glasbrenner@mindspring.com" glasbrenner@mindspring.com Subject: Final email.
Drew, this is my final email to you about my QSL cards that I sent you an SASE for back in mid January. You have refused to acknowledge any previous attempts to contact you about this problem. If you do not acknowledge receipt of my correspondence, my next action will be in a much more public forum.
You have plenty of time to work Yuri but you can't fill out my cards?
I can tell you that I send out QSL cards to everyone I work from portable, usually at my own expense and upload all to LoTW. It's just the way it's supposed to be done.
The ball is in your court but your time is running out. If I have not heard from you by week's end, this will go public and not in a flattering way.
Your call.
73 de Jeff, NX9B, EM66sj
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