During the over head pass this evening of AO-51 on the QRP transponder there was a station that called QC from AOS to LOS. He obviously could not hear himself or anyone else. A couple of stations tried to call him and got no answer. I wont give the call but I am sure he it was him. What a shame! Hard to believe anyone would be that inconsiderate. I don't know if the DX was on or not but they sure would have had no chance if they were. Then someone started sending music towards the end of the pass. How bad is ham radio going to get before we all get feed up and find another hobby? Sure is causing me to rethink my opinion.
On 20 Feb 2009 at 21:51, John Price wrote:
During the over head pass this evening of AO-51 on the QRP transponder there was a station that called QC from AOS to LOS. He obviously could not hear himself or anyone else. A couple of stations tried to call him and got no answer. I wont give the call but I am sure he it was him. >
It is wise to not disclose his call sign but you should contact him letting him know the situation. On a couple of occasion i contact an operator "generally newbies" who was trying his new set up with a terrestrial beam with no elevation. He was able to receive the sat only at AOS and LOS when the satellite was low but he call CQ on the whole pass not knowing he was received OK as the satellite is very sensitive.
I called that a common mistake but if no one tells him you will hear it again soon.
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
I was on for the 1830EST pass yesterday evening---and yes it was a real eye opener. I don't think they (K5D) were on..if they were, it would have been difficult to tell. If one were to write a paper on how NOT to do it, they only needed to document what was happening on that pass--and from stations that I KNOW can here--and should know better. Constant calls to the other station, long long sing-song phonetic calls nearly contantly--calling even after the footprint was off of Desecheo....it was NEARLY as ridiculous as some of the HF operations I've heard in the last several days. Guys: Just because your license says AMATEUR on it, be PROFESSIONAL in your operating...if you don't hear the other station invite a call, DON'T push the little button!
Please tolerate my rant--it is certainly not aimed at the majority of the excellent ops on the birds--rather a few that are not thinking clearly about what they're doing.
Curt KU8L
John Price wrote:
During the over head pass this evening of AO-51 on the QRP transponder there was a station that called QC from AOS to LOS. He obviously could not hear himself or anyone else. A couple of stations tried to call him and got no answer. I wont give the call but I am sure he it was him. What a shame! Hard to believe anyone would be that inconsiderate. I don't know if the DX was on or not but they sure would have had no chance if they were. Then someone started sending music towards the end of the pass. How bad is ham radio going to get before we all get feed up and find another hobby? Sure is causing me to rethink my opinion.
Curt Nixon wrote:
I was on for the 1830EST pass yesterday evening---and yes it was a real eye opener. I don't think they (K5D) were on..if they were, it would have been difficult to tell. If one were to write a paper on how NOT to do it, they only needed to document what was happening on that pass--and from stations that I KNOW can here--and should know better. Constant calls to the other station, long long sing-song phonetic calls nearly contantly--calling even after the footprint was off of Desecheo....it was NEARLY as ridiculous as some of the HF operations I've heard in the last several days. Guys: Just because your license says AMATEUR on it, be PROFESSIONAL in your operating...if you don't hear the other station invite a call, DON'T push the little button!
Please tolerate my rant--it is certainly not aimed at the majority of the excellent ops on the birds--rather a few that are not thinking clearly about what they're doing.
Curt KU8L
John Price wrote:
During the over head pass this evening of AO-51 on the QRP transponder there was a station that called QC from AOS to LOS. He obviously could not hear himself or anyone else. A couple of stations tried to call him and got no answer. I wont give the call but I am sure he it was him. What a shame! Hard to believe anyone would be that inconsiderate. I don't know if the DX was on or not but they sure would have had no chance if they were. Then someone started sending music towards the end of the pass. How bad is ham radio going to get before we all get feed up and find another hobby? Sure is causing me to rethink my opinion.
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It was pretty civil on this mornings pass on AO-51. I along with several others were able to work them. I too heard last night's pass and I will admit, I did call K5D a couple times in the blind hoping they would be there. I did the same this morning and low and behold they were there. I hope the next passes are as good, this one was a nice high pass for them I think. 73, Joe KI4TZ
Curt Nixon wrote:
I was on for the 1830EST pass yesterday evening---and yes it was a real eye opener. I don't think they (K5D) were on..if they were, it would have been difficult to tell. If one were to write a paper on how NOT to do it, they only needed to document what was happening on that pass--and from stations that I KNOW can here--and should know better. Constant calls to the other station, long long sing-song phonetic calls nearly contantly--calling even after the footprint was off of Desecheo....it was NEARLY as ridiculous as some of the HF operations I've heard in the last several days. Guys: Just because your license says AMATEUR on it, be PROFESSIONAL in your operating...if you don't hear the other station invite a call, DON'T push the little button!
Perhaps this is a good time to shamelessly plug my "Courteous Ham's Guide to AO-51" again?
http://www.innismir.net/etc/CourteousAO51_v1.1.pdf
I'm scratching down notes for 2.0 right now due to some of the recent issues with K5D. Anyone want to mail me off list with suggestions, please feel free to do so.
While I certainly agree with the intent of the QRP transponder on AO-51; you might want to consider the possibility that the station calling CQ may not be aware of it. Not all the hams who work, or attempt to work the satellites are active on this reflector, or even read up on how to properly work a satellite.
I always try to send an email to the person who can't hear anything, and 9 times out of 10 I receive an email back thanking me for letting them know they were heard, and asking me why they can't seem to hear anything. It then translates into a bit of Elmering to get them to put up either better antennas or just send them towards some of the articles on the Amsat web page.
A number of those hams are now active 'new' hams on the birds. If you have his call, why not send them a nice email, saying they were heard, and it's not proper etiquette to call CQ on an FM satellite continuously; and point them to this reflector or the AMSAT web.
Recently on this reflector there have been several posts about the over abundance of activity, abuse and interference on AO-51; even one that surprised the heck out of me from one of the AMSAT officers. Seems to me that we might need another LEO or 2 to tied us over since the loss of AO-27 and AO-16. While it seems that most of the posts on here eventually go on a tangent towards the lack of a HEO, the use of the LEOS are exponentially going up. Just my .02 worth.
73 de W4AS Sebastian
On Feb 20, 2009, at 9:51 PM, John Price wrote:
During the over head pass this evening of AO-51 on the QRP transponder there was a station that called QC from AOS to LOS. He obviously could not hear himself or anyone else. A couple of stations tried to call him and got no answer. I wont give the call but I am sure he it was him. What a shame! Hard to believe anyone would be that inconsiderate. I don't know if the DX was on or not but they sure would have had no chance if they were. Then someone started sending music towards the end of the pass. How bad is ham radio going to get before we all get feed up and find another hobby? Sure is causing me to rethink my opinion.
-- N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator
I think we need to use lowest frequency for the down link as 6dB of path loss occurs for every octave increase in frequency. 2M to 70cm = (-9dB). This keeps the power budget down on the space craft. It also helps hearing the satellite and causes O/E problems to gravitate to the up link.
Art, KC6UQH
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Sebastian Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:15 AM To: AMSAT BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What a shame!
While I certainly agree with the intent of the QRP transponder on AO-51; you might want to consider the possibility that the station calling CQ may not be aware of it. Not all the hams who work, or attempt to work the satellites are active on this reflector, or even read up on how to properly work a satellite.
I always try to send an email to the person who can't hear anything, and 9 times out of 10 I receive an email back thanking me for letting them know they were heard, and asking me why they can't seem to hear anything. It then translates into a bit of Elmering to get them to put up either better antennas or just send them towards some of the articles on the Amsat web page.
A number of those hams are now active 'new' hams on the birds. If you have his call, why not send them a nice email, saying they were heard, and it's not proper etiquette to call CQ on an FM satellite continuously; and point them to this reflector or the AMSAT web.
Recently on this reflector there have been several posts about the over abundance of activity, abuse and interference on AO-51; even one that surprised the heck out of me from one of the AMSAT officers. Seems to me that we might need another LEO or 2 to tied us over since the loss of AO-27 and AO-16. While it seems that most of the posts on here eventually go on a tangent towards the lack of a HEO, the use of the LEOS are exponentially going up. Just my .02 worth.
73 de W4AS Sebastian
On Feb 20, 2009, at 9:51 PM, John Price wrote:
During the over head pass this evening of AO-51 on the QRP transponder there was a station that called QC from AOS to LOS. He obviously could not hear himself or anyone else. A couple of stations tried to call him and got no answer. I wont give the call but I am sure he it was him. What a shame! Hard to believe anyone would be that inconsiderate. I don't know if the DX was on or not but they sure would have had no chance if they were. Then someone started sending music towards the end of the pass. How bad is ham radio going to get before we all get feed up and find another hobby? Sure is causing me to rethink my opinion.
-- N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator
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Hello Art,
I would second that. The 435 MHz downlink is very difficult from this location with the PAVE PAWS, multi megawatt gov radar system.
I definitely second the use of 2M as a satellite downlink.
Stan, W1LE Cape Cod
Art McBride wrote:
I think we need to use lowest frequency for the down link as 6dB of path loss occurs for every octave increase in frequency. 2M to 70cm = (-9dB). This keeps the power budget down on the space craft. It also helps hearing the satellite and causes O/E problems to gravitate to the up link.
Art, KC6UQH
We have PAVE PAWS out here too (lucky us!). Though I haven't had any problems from it, I've always wondered if we'd be trading one problem for another... If the uplink were on 70cm, would we be in violation of the power restrictions when we transmit? Many of the 70cm repeaters here are either off the air or turned down so far as to almost not be worth having.
Personally, I've got some serious hillage between my QTH (CM98kx) and most of the valley, but Google Maps indicates there's a nice little canyon dropping down the hill directly in the direction of the AF base. Makes me nervous on those low passes to the North West.
Greg KO6TH
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:00:17 -0500 From: stanw1le@verizon.net To: kc6uqh@cox.net CC: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What a shame!
Hello Art,
I would second that. The 435 MHz downlink is very difficult from this location with the PAVE PAWS, multi megawatt gov radar system.
I definitely second the use of 2M as a satellite downlink.
Stan, W1LE Cape Cod
Art McBride wrote:
I think we need to use lowest frequency for the down link as 6dB of path loss occurs for every octave increase in frequency. 2M to 70cm = (-9dB). This keeps the power budget down on the space craft. It also helps hearing the satellite and causes O/E problems to gravitate to the up link.
Art, KC6UQH
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At 04:30 AM 2/22/2009, Art McBride wrote:
I think we need to use lowest frequency for the down link as 6dB of path loss occurs for every octave increase in frequency. 2M to 70cm = (-9dB). This keeps the power budget down on the space craft. It also helps hearing the satellite and causes O/E problems to gravitate to the up link.
Down here, your suggestion would work well. Certainly did for SO-35, when it was operational. The most common "newbie issue" I see is not being able to hear the downlink on U/V birds, which, combined with inexperience can lead to a station unknowingly jamming the bird. Hearing the downlink is the single most important thing to achieve, and that needs to be relatively easy, compared to getting into the bird, to minimise QRM. :)
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
Sebastian always seems to be a reasonable guy. I second what he said, and will add our minds tend to cloud over the past making it better as time goes on. LEO, HEO it doesn't really matter much when rare DX gets on the bird. It will get a little wild, maybe not as bad as 20 meters, but still a little wild. Remember VU7 on AO-13? That was wild.
73, Joe kk0sd
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Sebastian Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:15 AM To: AMSAT BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What a shame!
While I certainly agree with the intent of the QRP transponder on AO-51; you might want to consider the possibility that the station calling CQ may not be aware of it. Not all the hams who work, or attempt to work the satellites are active on this reflector, or even read up on how to properly work a satellite.
I always try to send an email to the person who can't hear anything, and 9 times out of 10 I receive an email back thanking me for letting them know they were heard, and asking me why they can't seem to hear anything. It then translates into a bit of Elmering to get them to put up either better antennas or just send them towards some of the articles on the Amsat web page.
A number of those hams are now active 'new' hams on the birds. If you have his call, why not send them a nice email, saying they were heard, and it's not proper etiquette to call CQ on an FM satellite continuously; and point them to this reflector or the AMSAT web.
Recently on this reflector there have been several posts about the over abundance of activity, abuse and interference on AO-51; even one that surprised the heck out of me from one of the AMSAT officers. Seems to me that we might need another LEO or 2 to tied us over since the loss of AO-27 and AO-16. While it seems that most of the posts on here eventually go on a tangent towards the lack of a HEO, the use of the LEOS are exponentially going up. Just my .02 worth.
73 de W4AS Sebastian
On Feb 20, 2009, at 9:51 PM, John Price wrote:
During the over head pass this evening of AO-51 on the QRP transponder there was a station that called QC from AOS to LOS. He obviously could not hear himself or anyone else. A couple of stations tried to call him and got no answer. I wont give the call but I am sure he it was him. What a shame! Hard to believe anyone would be that inconsiderate. I don't know if the DX was on or not but they sure would have had no chance if they were. Then someone started sending music towards the end of the pass. How bad is ham radio going to get before we all get feed up and find another hobby? Sure is causing me to rethink my opinion.
-- N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator
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Oh yes! You should have heard the pile up on AO-10 when "AL7" was first heard and everyone was asking what country was that? AL7 prefixes were relatively new in Alaska and I had one (AL7EB). Once they found out it was ordinary ole Alaska, the fervor died down ;-)
Now I get the bums rush on 2m-eme since I am the only station QRV on 2m in Alaska with any regularity.
Ed - KL7UW (ex AL7EB) I worked Willis Island and New Caledonia on AO-10, rare DX for even HF. When I asked those stations, they had come over to satellite because they were tired of the incessant pileups on HF. We had a very nice casual QSO of several minutes with maybe one to two other stations joining.
At 12:20 PM 2/21/2009, Gary "Joe" Mayfield wrote:
Sebastian always seems to be a reasonable guy. I second what he said, and will add our minds tend to cloud over the past making it better as time goes on. LEO, HEO it doesn't really matter much when rare DX gets on the bird. It will get a little wild, maybe not as bad as 20 meters, but still a little wild. Remember VU7 on AO-13? That was wild.
73, Joe kk0sd
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Sebastian Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:15 AM To: AMSAT BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What a shame!
While I certainly agree with the intent of the QRP transponder on AO-51; you might want to consider the possibility that the station calling CQ may not be aware of it. Not all the hams who work, or attempt to work the satellites are active on this reflector, or even read up on how to properly work a satellite.
I always try to send an email to the person who can't hear anything, and 9 times out of 10 I receive an email back thanking me for letting them know they were heard, and asking me why they can't seem to hear anything. It then translates into a bit of Elmering to get them to put up either better antennas or just send them towards some of the articles on the Amsat web page.
A number of those hams are now active 'new' hams on the birds. If you have his call, why not send them a nice email, saying they were heard, and it's not proper etiquette to call CQ on an FM satellite continuously; and point them to this reflector or the AMSAT web.
Recently on this reflector there have been several posts about the over abundance of activity, abuse and interference on AO-51; even one that surprised the heck out of me from one of the AMSAT officers. Seems to me that we might need another LEO or 2 to tied us over since the loss of AO-27 and AO-16. While it seems that most of the posts on here eventually go on a tangent towards the lack of a HEO, the use of the LEOS are exponentially going up. Just my .02 worth.
73 de W4AS Sebastian
On Feb 20, 2009, at 9:51 PM, John Price wrote:
During the over head pass this evening of AO-51 on the QRP transponder there was a station that called QC from AOS to LOS. He obviously could not hear himself or anyone else. A couple of stations tried to call him and got no answer. I wont give the call but I am sure he it was him. What a shame! Hard to believe anyone would be that inconsiderate. I don't know if the DX was on or not but they sure would have had no chance if they were. Then someone started sending music towards the end of the pass. How bad is ham radio going to get before we all get feed up and find another hobby? Sure is causing me to rethink my opinion.
-- N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator
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At 09:51 PM 2/20/2009 -0500, John Price n4qwf1@gmail.com wrote:
During the over head pass this evening of AO-51 on the QRP transponder there was a station that called QC from AOS to LOS. He obviously could not hear himself or anyone else. A couple of stations tried to call him and got no answer. I wont give the call but I am sure he it was him. What a shame! Hard to believe anyone would be that inconsiderate. I don't know if the DX was on or not but they sure would have had no chance if they were. Then someone started sending music towards the end of the pass. How bad is ham radio going to get before we all get feed up and find another hobby?
Such is life on an EZ-Sat. At least they haven't started farting and belching yet.
KB7ADL
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Art McBride -
Ben Jackson -
Curt Nixon -
Edward Cole -
Gary "Joe" Mayfield -
Greg D. -
joe -
John Price -
Luc Leblanc -
Sebastian -
Stan W1LE -
Tony Langdon -
Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL