Hi All,
Does anyone know if anyone sets up a digipeater at Dayton, or do we rely on the local digi’s?
73,
Zack KD8KSN
What do you want to digi? There are several APRS stations on 144.390 but I'm not aware of any general packet stations.
On 16-May-11 13:42, Zachary Beougher wrote:
Hi All,
Does anyone know if anyone sets up a digipeater at Dayton, or do we rely on the local digi’s?
73,
Zack KD8KSN _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Just a regular position packet.
Zack KD8KSN
-----Original Message----- From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:56 AM To: Zachary Beougher Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Digi @ Dayton?
What do you want to digi? There are several APRS stations on 144.390 but I'm not aware of any general packet stations.
On 16-May-11 13:42, Zachary Beougher wrote:
Hi All,
Does anyone know if anyone sets up a digipeater at Dayton, or do we rely on the local digi’s?
73,
Zack KD8KSN _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[does] anyone set up a digipeater at Dayton, or do we rely on the local digi’s?
Proper operation of an event like Dayton would suggest that putting up a digipeater would be the worst thing to do. With over 300+ mobiles and portables beaconing away all in simplex range of each other, a digipeater would do nothing but drastically reduce the reliability of the channel by half or more.
The proper way to handle a ham radio event with a massive influx of APRS operations is to:
1) Have no digi at the focal point (Hamvention) 2) Have all digis going out 30 miles in all directions be ONE-HOP DIGIS ONLY. That is, they only respond to WIDE1-1 or WIDE2-2 and nothing else. They digipeat once and do callsign substitution so the packet goes no further 3) Strategic IGates are placed right at Hamvention so they hear everything in simplex range 4) Additional IGates are configured so that every surrounding digi going out 30 miles has an IGate to hear the one-hop packets.
5) Doing all the above, then the hundreds of APRS mobiles and portables do not have to change anything. They just drive into town with their normal WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 settings.
Bob, WB4APR
Hi Bob,
What you say does make sense - I didn't think about the digi congesting the network since everyone would be within simplex range. My main concern is that I can get digipeated using the stock duck on the TH-D7A that I will be using for backpack APRS. If I can't reach any digipeaters in the area, I need to go to plan B for an antenna.
73!
Zack KD8KSN
-----Original Message----- From: Bob Bruninga Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?
[does] anyone set up a digipeater at Dayton, or do we rely on the local digi’s?
Proper operation of an event like Dayton would suggest that putting up a digipeater would be the worst thing to do. With over 300+ mobiles and portables beaconing away all in simplex range of each other, a digipeater would do nothing but drastically reduce the reliability of the channel by half or more.
The proper way to handle a ham radio event with a massive influx of APRS operations is to:
1) Have no digi at the focal point (Hamvention) 2) Have all digis going out 30 miles in all directions be ONE-HOP DIGIS ONLY. That is, they only respond to WIDE1-1 or WIDE2-2 and nothing else. They digipeat once and do callsign substitution so the packet goes no further 3) Strategic IGates are placed right at Hamvention so they hear everything in simplex range 4) Additional IGates are configured so that every surrounding digi going out 30 miles has an IGate to hear the one-hop packets.
5) Doing all the above, then the hundreds of APRS mobiles and portables do not have to change anything. They just drive into town with their normal WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 settings.
Bob, WB4APR
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What you say does make sense - I didn't think about the digi congesting the network since everyone would be within simplex range. My main concern is that I can get digipeated using the stock duck on the TH-D7A that I will be using for backpack APRS. If I can't reach any digipeaters in the area, I need to go to plan B for an antenna.
But why do you need to reach a digi? You will be within wet-noodle range of every APRS person at Dayton and they can hear/see you even if you are on low power. There will hopefully be an IGate at the Hamvention to pick up everyone.
Even if you run 50 watts, you aren’t going to get into a Dayton digi because any digiepater that can hear the area will be 100% jammed on the input.
Limiting everyone to simplex or 1 hop only is the same technique used in the Losangeles basin. Everyone that is there is there, and the channel is full, so no reason to bring any more packets in or out.
See http://www.aprs.org/fixingLA.html
Ore more generically, everything there is to know about digipeating, and MINIMIZING channel load.
www.aprs.org/fix14439.html
Good luck Bob, WB4APR
-----Original Message----- From: Bob Bruninga Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?
[does] anyone set up a digipeater at Dayton, or do we rely on the local digi’s?
Proper operation of an event like Dayton would suggest that putting up a digipeater would be the worst thing to do. With over 300+ mobiles and portables beaconing away all in simplex range of each other, a digipeater would do nothing but drastically reduce the reliability of the channel by half or more.
The proper way to handle a ham radio event with a massive influx of APRS operations is to:
1) Have no digi at the focal point (Hamvention) 2) Have all digis going out 30 miles in all directions be ONE-HOP DIGIS ONLY. That is, they only respond to WIDE1-1 or WIDE2-2 and nothing else. They digipeat once and do callsign substitution so the packet goes no further 3) Strategic IGates are placed right at Hamvention so they hear everything in simplex range 4) Additional IGates are configured so that every surrounding digi going out 30 miles has an IGate to hear the one-hop packets.
5) Doing all the above, then the hundreds of APRS mobiles and portables do not have to change anything. They just drive into town with their normal WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 settings.
Bob, WB4APR
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Hi Bob,
But why do you need to reach a digi? You will be within wet-noodle range of every APRS person at Dayton and they can hear/see you even if you are on low power. There will hopefully be an IGate at the Hamvention to pick up everyone.
I was originally wanting to get digipeated because I wanted to reach an i-gate so that I could follow my track on the internet once I get back home, and I didn't give it enough thought that a digipeater is not what I need - it is the i-gate. A more accurate question would be, will there be an i-gate at Dayton?, which it sounds like there will be. Other than that, I do want the other APRS users to see me, but simplex will take card of that.
Thanks for your help!
Zack KD8KSN
-----Original Message----- From: Bob Bruninga Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:53 PM To: 'Zachary Beougher' ; [email protected] Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?
What you say does make sense - I didn't think about the digi congesting the network since everyone would be within simplex range. My main concern is that I can get digipeated using the stock duck on the TH-D7A that I will be using for backpack APRS. If I can't reach any digipeaters in the area, I need to go to plan B for an antenna.
But why do you need to reach a digi? You will be within wet-noodle range of every APRS person at Dayton and they can hear/see you even if you are on low power. There will hopefully be an IGate at the Hamvention to pick up everyone.
Even if you run 50 watts, you aren’t going to get into a Dayton digi because any digiepater that can hear the area will be 100% jammed on the input.
Limiting everyone to simplex or 1 hop only is the same technique used in the Losangeles basin. Everyone that is there is there, and the channel is full, so no reason to bring any more packets in or out.
See http://www.aprs.org/fixingLA.html
Ore more generically, everything there is to know about digipeating, and MINIMIZING channel load.
www.aprs.org/fix14439.html
Good luck Bob, WB4APR
-----Original Message----- From: Bob Bruninga Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Digi @ Dayton?
[does] anyone set up a digipeater at Dayton, or do we rely on the local digi’s?
Proper operation of an event like Dayton would suggest that putting up a digipeater would be the worst thing to do. With over 300+ mobiles and portables beaconing away all in simplex range of each other, a digipeater would do nothing but drastically reduce the reliability of the channel by half or more.
The proper way to handle a ham radio event with a massive influx of APRS operations is to:
1) Have no digi at the focal point (Hamvention) 2) Have all digis going out 30 miles in all directions be ONE-HOP DIGIS ONLY. That is, they only respond to WIDE1-1 or WIDE2-2 and nothing else. They digipeat once and do callsign substitution so the packet goes no further 3) Strategic IGates are placed right at Hamvention so they hear everything in simplex range 4) Additional IGates are configured so that every surrounding digi going out 30 miles has an IGate to hear the one-hop packets.
5) Doing all the above, then the hundreds of APRS mobiles and portables do not have to change anything. They just drive into town with their normal WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 settings.
Bob, WB4APR
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Zachary Beougher