Bill Ress - N6GHz - - - AMSAT Board Candidate
I’m Bill Ress, N6GHz, and I’m campaigning for a seat on the AMSAT Board.
You will soon be getting your ballots for this year’s AMSAT Board election. The current dialog on the AMSAT-bb clearly indicates member dissatisfaction with AMSAT leadership on various levels. Well, now you have the chance to voice your concerns through your votes!!
In my ballot statement, you will read that I’m disappointed with AMSAT’s lack of visible progress on a viable and sustainable satellite program, and with the lack of adequate communication and accountability. The engineering efforts are in a state of disarray. Hardly a screw has been turning on Eagle. AMSAT’s website, the primary “front” to the public, is in need of redevelopment after months of neglect. The vision statement has long been outdated.
After being content to operate the birds, I thought I should do more. So, in 2006 I volunteered and started my very agonizing participation on the Eagle design team, designing and building a concept 3.4 GHz down converter and supporting the 70 CM receiver. That “fruitless” experience, along with what I've witnessed with the some of the AMSAT leadership, prompted me to run for the board, hopeful of being able to contribute in any way to making a positive improvement to a troubled situation.
The inner circle of leadership goes back many years in AMSAT. They have put in many, many well meaning volunteer hours and we should recognize and appreciate that fact. Perhaps their long-term membership on the board led to inaction and complacency, which clouded judgments and prevented critical decisions from being made. The board (and subsequently the membership) will benefit from a “new” member who is critical of current performance, and is willing to be a vocal reminder of member concerns. You can help decide the future of AMSAT with your vote.
Do I think I can change the current AMSAT culture overnight? Only a fool would think so, but I can tell you that I will try very hard to convey your legitimate concerns with the hope of influencing the board’s attitudes and decisions to support a process of positive change.
AMSAT is at a critical crossroad right now brought on by ever increasing launch costs, lack of leadership and an unclear vision. I know the leadership has finally recognized this and is making a serious effort to address burning issues. I plan on offering to the board what I hope will be viewed as constructive inputs which will reflect many of your concerns.
The AMSAT-bb is a great medium for communication, and I’m very keen on open lines of communication. I’ll be using it in the coming days, weeks and months to explain my position on the issues you want me to address. I am also preparing an online e-survey, a format I will use periodically, to get your opinion on various issues (and the results will be shared with you and the AMSAT leadership).
To put this recurring criticism of “poor communications” to rest, we need to keep our web site active and current. If that doesn’t happen very soon, I would encourage the leadership to use the AMSAT-bb, or perhaps a “blog” to keep members informed. For my part, you’ll be hearing from me often using the AMSAT-bb, or perhaps my own blog.
I was first licensed in 1957 as KN2HDG. That was the first step, which lead to my professional career in electronics. I graduated in 1968 from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo with a BSEL. From there, I went on to have a rewarding career in the RF/microwave industry with companies like California Microwave, Omni Spectra and Radian Technology, where I designed and built components for the satellite industry for companies like Hughes, TRW and Lockheed. I now run a new start-up RF/microwave components company. I am also a member of Project Oscar, ARRL, AMSAT-UK and AMSAT-ZL (Go KiwiSat!!!).
I read the AMSAT-bb daily. I’m on the birds frequently but if we can’t hook up there, email me at n6ghz@amsat.org.
Thanks and 73s!!… Bill – N6GHz
".....So, in 2006 I volunteered and started my very agonizing participation on the Eagle design team, designing and building a concept 3.4 GHz downconverter and supporting the 70 CM receiver. That “fruitless” experience...."
Could you expand on why you consider this experience "agonizing" and "fruitless" so that we might better understand the process and your experiences?
This is the type of information which is not coming out of the AMSAT organization and proves frustrating to the rest of us....
Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Ress" bill@hsmicrowave.com To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Bill Ress - N6GHz - - - AMSAT Board Candidate
I’m Bill Ress, N6GHz, and I’m campaigning for a seat on the AMSAT Board.
You will soon be getting your ballots for this year’s AMSAT Board election. The current dialog on the AMSAT-bb clearly indicates member dissatisfaction with AMSAT leadership on various levels. Well, now you have the chance to voice your concerns through your votes!!
In my ballot statement, you will read that I’m disappointed with AMSAT’s lack of visible progress on a viable and sustainable satellite program, and with the lack of adequate communication and accountability. The engineering efforts are in a state of disarray. Hardly a screw has been turning on Eagle. AMSAT’s website, the primary “front” to the public, is in need of redevelopment after months of neglect. The vision statement has long been outdated.
After being content to operate the birds, I thought I should do more. So, in 2006 I volunteered and started my very agonizing participation on the Eagle design team, designing and building a concept 3.4 GHz down converter and supporting the 70 CM receiver. That “fruitless” experience, along with what I've witnessed with the some of the AMSAT leadership, prompted me to run for the board, hopeful of being able to contribute in any way to making a positive improvement to a troubled situation.
The inner circle of leadership goes back many years in AMSAT. They have put in many, many well meaning volunteer hours and we should recognize and appreciate that fact. Perhaps their long-term membership on the board led to inaction and complacency, which clouded judgments and prevented critical decisions from being made. The board (and subsequently the membership) will benefit from a “new” member who is critical of current performance, and is willing to be a vocal reminder of member concerns. You can help decide the future of AMSAT with your vote.
Do I think I can change the current AMSAT culture overnight? Only a fool would think so, but I can tell you that I will try very hard to convey your legitimate concerns with the hope of influencing the board’s attitudes and decisions to support a process of positive change.
AMSAT is at a critical crossroad right now brought on by ever increasing launch costs, lack of leadership and an unclear vision. I know the leadership has finally recognized this and is making a serious effort to address burning issues. I plan on offering to the board what I hope will be viewed as constructive inputs which will reflect many of your concerns.
The AMSAT-bb is a great medium for communication, and I’m very keen on open lines of communication. I’ll be using it in the coming days, weeks and months to explain my position on the issues you want me to address. I am also preparing an online e-survey, a format I will use periodically, to get your opinion on various issues (and the results will be shared with you and the AMSAT leadership).
To put this recurring criticism of “poor communications” to rest, we need to keep our web site active and current. If that doesn’t happen very soon, I would encourage the leadership to use the AMSAT-bb, or perhaps a “blog” to keep members informed. For my part, you’ll be hearing from me often using the AMSAT-bb, or perhaps my own blog.
I was first licensed in 1957 as KN2HDG. That was the first step, which lead to my professional career in electronics. I graduated in 1968 from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo with a BSEL. From there, I went on to have a rewarding career in the RF/microwave industry with companies like California Microwave, Omni Spectra and Radian Technology, where I designed and built components for the satellite industry for companies like Hughes, TRW and Lockheed. I now run a new start-up RF/microwave components company. I am also a member of Project Oscar, ARRL, AMSAT-UK and AMSAT-ZL (Go KiwiSat!!!).
I read the AMSAT-bb daily. I’m on the birds frequently but if we can’t hook up there, email me at n6ghz@amsat.org.
Thanks and 73s!!… Bill – N6GHz
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On 17 Jul 2008 at 14:00, Bill Ress wrote:
Music to my ears!
The current dialog on the AMSAT-bb clearly indicates member dissatisfaction with AMSAT leadership on various levels. Well, now you have the chance to voice your concerns through your votes!!
I´m disappointed with AMSAT´s lack of visible progress on a viable and sustainable satellite program, and with the lack of adequate communication and accountability. The engineering efforts are in a state of disarray.
The vision statement has long been outdated.
Perhaps their long-term membership on the board led to inaction and complacency, which clouded judgments and prevented critical decisions from being made.
AMSAT is at a critical crossroad right now brought on by ever increasing launch costs, lack of leadership and an unclear vision. I know the leadership has finally recognized this and is making a serious effort to address burning issues.
The AMSAT-bb is a great medium for communication, and I´m very keen on open lines of communication.
To put this recurring criticism of "poor communications" to rest, we need to keep our web site active and current. If that doesn´t happen very soon, I would encourage the leadership to use the AMSAT-bb, or perhaps a "blog" to keep members informed.
I wish you good luck and you surely will get my vote but as i cannot vote i just hope the actual membership will have the wisdom to see where the light is?
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what "needs to be done"... And most of them are pointed at better "management"... Or better "direction" of what is being done (by others)...
The issue in an all volunteer organization is not "what" needs to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the "management and direction" but the actual WORK. That requires volunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and thick skin, Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from the peanut gallery...
Counter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers we need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting in there and "kicking butt" and "better management"... You do that in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing left but managers and butt kickers and complainers.
This happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to the local clubs and all the way to the top. You'd think by now that the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have about 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham radio. Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a need and jump in to fill it.
It is very simple!
If you can contribute "work" then jump in and do it. Othwerwise "get out of the way" and contribute money, food, encouragement, and assistance to those that do. "Ankle-biting, naysaying, and complaining" accomplish absolutely nothing forward. If you don't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go another way and see if you can find followers (workers, not ditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making progress in their direction... That's the only way progress is made in volunteer organizations...
This is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30 years... Bob, WB4APR
Hi Bob,
I would agree with you on some of your points but I would have to say you _really_ missed the mark when you said "The issue in an all volunteer organization is not "what" needs to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the"management and direction" but the actual WORK."
To effectively use precious volunteers you need to provide them with clear goals, objectives/requirements and the "very important realization" that their efforts are meaningful and contribute to the mission goals. Goals, objectives and direction come from "management". Whether you realize that your efforts were meaningful is determined by what the "management" does with your efforts.
Case in point. In 2007, the primary Eagle hardware effort was the building of the 70 CM receiver capable of working in a PavePaws environment. While we often belabor the point of not being able to get volunteers, _it turned out that getting very capable volunteers to sign up for the effort was not that difficult_. The team was assembled and despite lack of guidance/direction on several requirements and process issues, the receiver module was shown at Dayton in its early uncompleted stages. That module sits today unfinished, a year later, as a paper weight.
So what happened? We had a volunteer team in place to do the WORK. That surely wasn't the problem.
Well - I can give you many reasons relating to the 70 CM receiver. Maybe the most glaring one is the fact that the 70 CM receiver design was intended to work in a HEO. It is not the design for use on a LEO or GEO. But after years of promoting Eagle design objectives for a HEO, AMSAT management suddenly changed its "strategy" in late 2007 to pursue a Intelsat GEO "rideshare" opportunity, which today is a strategy very much in question. So any further effort on the 70 CM receiver was put on hold - until management could figure out what to do next,
Hence the "results" of the 70 CM receiver volunteer team effort is very uncertain to this day, two years after the build effort started. Not a good to way to treat the volunteers who were there to do the WORK.
I submit, that with uncertain or changing "management strategies" guiding volunteer efforts, I can see why it could be tough to get motivated volunteers.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
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Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what "needs to be done"... And most of them are pointed at better "management"... Or better "direction" of what is being done (by others)...
The issue in an all volunteer organization is not "what" needs to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the "management and direction" but the actual WORK. That requires volunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and thick skin, Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from the peanut gallery...
Counter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers we need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting in there and "kicking butt" and "better management"... You do that in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing left but managers and butt kickers and complainers.
This happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to the local clubs and all the way to the top. You'd think by now that the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have about 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham radio. Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a need and jump in to fill it.
It is very simple!
If you can contribute "work" then jump in and do it. Othwerwise "get out of the way" and contribute money, food, encouragement, and assistance to those that do. "Ankle-biting, naysaying, and complaining" accomplish absolutely nothing forward. If you don't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go another way and see if you can find followers (workers, not ditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making progress in their direction... That's the only way progress is made in volunteer organizations...
This is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30 years... Bob, WB4APR
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And Bob, I don't want to pick on just the 70 CM receiver project. The same scenario has repeating itself on the MAMSATE and ACP volunteer team efforts.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Typing (and proof reading) is obviously not my strong suite. It is NAMASTE.
My apologies to Michelle and the team of volunteers she didn't too much trouble putting together.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Bill Ress wrote:
And Bob, I don't want to pick on just the 70 CM receiver project. The same scenario has repeating itself on the MAMSATE and ACP volunteer team efforts.
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Bob, There was a time not long ago when one Amateur could do an amazing project.
Today the multi-disiplines required to put a S/C together and get it into space, require a well managed team effort. This is true for any cutting edge technoloigy of today.
Amateur Radio can only do team efforts, provided the team respects each other and everyone has complementry skills.
Leadership is required to bring the skills needed together and maintain a critical mass long enough to complete the project.
I came into electronics at an early age, restored a receiver that was recovered from a sunken ship and listened to Spuknik on it in 1957. I have spent my whole life in electronics and have enjoied the many projects I worked on.
How many parents would allow there son to work on a receiver with 400VDC present in this day and age, where a helmet is now required to ride a bicycle? Where is the youth of today going to get the practical experience required to build a satellite?
TV has all but ruined creativity and imagination. There is a big difference between a computer simulation and application in the physical form! AMSAT is not going to get many more chances to assemble a team that had the skills to make Oscar 10 and 13. Time is not on our side. Amatuers with the right skill sets are mostly my age, Most youth of today would have trouble with soldering and operating a screwdriver, that is if thier parents would alow them to try.
Art, KC6UQH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Bruninga" bruninga@usna.edu To: AMSAT-BB@AMSAT.Org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] How volunteerism works...
Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what "needs to be done"... And most of them are pointed at better "management"... Or better "direction" of what is being done (by others)...
The issue in an all volunteer organization is not "what" needs to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the "management and direction" but the actual WORK. That requires volunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and thick skin, Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from the peanut gallery...
Counter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers we need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting in there and "kicking butt" and "better management"... You do that in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing left but managers and butt kickers and complainers.
This happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to the local clubs and all the way to the top. You'd think by now that the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have about 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham radio. Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a need and jump in to fill it.
It is very simple!
If you can contribute "work" then jump in and do it. Othwerwise "get out of the way" and contribute money, food, encouragement, and assistance to those that do. "Ankle-biting, naysaying, and complaining" accomplish absolutely nothing forward. If you don't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go another way and see if you can find followers (workers, not ditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making progress in their direction... That's the only way progress is made in volunteer organizations...
This is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30 years... Bob, WB4APR
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kc6uqh wrote:
Bob, There was a time not long ago when one Amateur could do an amazing project.
Today the multi-disiplines required to put a S/C together and get it into space, require a well managed team effort. This is true for any cutting edge technoloigy of today.
Amateur Radio can only do team efforts, provided the team respects each other and everyone has complementry skills.
Leadership is required to bring the skills needed together and maintain a critical mass long enough to complete the project.
I came into electronics at an early age, restored a receiver that was recovered from a sunken ship and listened to Spuknik on it in 1957. I have spent my whole life in electronics and have enjoied the many projects I worked on.
How many parents would allow there son to work on a receiver with 400VDC present in this day and age, where a helmet is now required to ride a bicycle? Where is the youth of today going to get the practical experience required to build a satellite?
TV has all but ruined creativity and imagination. There is a big difference between a computer simulation and application in the physical form! AMSAT is not going to get many more chances to assemble a team that had the skills to make Oscar 10 and 13. Time is not on our side. Amatuers with the right skill sets are mostly my age, Most youth of today would have trouble with soldering and operating a screwdriver, that is if thier parents would alow them to try.
Art, KC6UQH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Bruninga" bruninga@usna.edu To: AMSAT-BB@AMSAT.Org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] How volunteerism works...
Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what "needs to be done"... And most of them are pointed at better "management"... Or better "direction" of what is being done (by others)...
The issue in an all volunteer organization is not "what" needs to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the "management and direction" but the actual WORK. That requires volunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and thick skin, Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from the peanut gallery...
Counter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers we need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting in there and "kicking butt" and "better management"... You do that in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing left but managers and butt kickers and complainers.
This happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to the local clubs and all the way to the top. You'd think by now that the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have about 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham radio. Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a need and jump in to fill it.
It is very simple!
If you can contribute "work" then jump in and do it. Othwerwise "get out of the way" and contribute money, food, encouragement, and assistance to those that do. "Ankle-biting, naysaying, and complaining" accomplish absolutely nothing forward. If you don't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go another way and see if you can find followers (workers, not ditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making progress in their direction... That's the only way progress is made in volunteer organizations...
This is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30 years... Bob, WB4APR
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All, I think that you are all on the same floor of the building now. After a few days of postings, I'd like to chime in. What has happened in the past with Satellite building is a that a group of "Friends" got together and decided that "hey, let's do this!" As friends, they knew each other well and enjoyed each others company regardless of drawbacks and shortcomings. On that level, as I believe, is how we should approach any management style. As some of our shirts say "We all are (or not) Rocket scientists." The goal is the same, to enjoy satellites built by our peers. The other 99% should support them with fund raisers, attending hamfests to show others what we are trying to do and bring them on our side of the ropes. I also noted a few weeks ago that there are BOD members openings and if you feel that you could have offered better ideas and directions, you would get on the proper bandwagon and ramp up towards that direction. I only see 4 on the ballot. So once again, comments are shallow and only potshots at the people that are volunteering their time, efforts, experience and direction are flung out into the ether. Constructive comments are always welcome to keep the organization on track. Those that want to detract others from the smooth operation of an organization as AMSAT-NA ,be ready with their services to back up ideas with action. 73, Dee, NB2F NJ AMSAT Co-ordinator East coast " "
Dee, I am a past president of the Palomar Amateur Radio Club, The only way I got volunteers was to personaly ask them on a one on one basis. Amsat is not an option for me. 1. I have a full time job 2. I am still involved with the Palomar Club and receintly rebuilt one of thier repeaters. 3. My arthritic 6'2" frame does not fit in a seat for a 6 year old child on a commercial aircraft. 4. At age 65 I can not spend 4-5 hours every night and continue my full time employment.
If someone wants some help I may have something to offer locally. I used H/B antennas one on a 6'step ladder to sucessfully work AO-40. These are not solutions ICOM and YEASU wants to see published, they want to sell equipment! Low tech solutions are enjoied by only a few.
Art
----- Original Message ----- From: Dee To: kc6uqh Cc: bruninga@usna.edu ; AMSAT-BB@amsat.org ; Rick Hambly Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works...
kc6uqh wrote:
Bob, There was a time not long ago when one Amateur could do an amazing project.
Today the multi-disiplines required to put a S/C together and get it into space, require a well managed team effort. This is true for any cutting edge technoloigy of today.
Amateur Radio can only do team efforts, provided the team respects each other and everyone has complementry skills.
Leadership is required to bring the skills needed together and maintain a critical mass long enough to complete the project.
I came into electronics at an early age, restored a receiver that was recovered from a sunken ship and listened to Spuknik on it in 1957. I have spent my whole life in electronics and have enjoied the many projects I worked on.
How many parents would allow there son to work on a receiver with 400VDC present in this day and age, where a helmet is now required to ride a bicycle? Where is the youth of today going to get the practical experience required to build a satellite?
TV has all but ruined creativity and imagination. There is a big difference between a computer simulation and application in the physical form! AMSAT is not going to get many more chances to assemble a team that had the skills to make Oscar 10 and 13. Time is not on our side. Amatuers with the right skill sets are mostly my age, Most youth of today would have trouble with soldering and operating a screwdriver, that is if thier parents would alow them to try.
Art, KC6UQH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Bruninga" bruninga@usna.edu To: AMSAT-BB@AMSAT.Org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] How volunteerism works...
Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what "needs to be done"... And most of them are pointed at better "management"... Or better "direction" of what is being done (by others)...
The issue in an all volunteer organization is not "what" needs to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the "management and direction" but the actual WORK. That requires volunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and thick skin, Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from the peanut gallery...
Counter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers we need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting in there and "kicking butt" and "better management"... You do that in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing left but managers and butt kickers and complainers.
This happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to the local clubs and all the way to the top. You'd think by now that the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have about 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham radio. Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a need and jump in to fill it.
It is very simple!
If you can contribute "work" then jump in and do it. Othwerwise "get out of the way" and contribute money, food, encouragement, and assistance to those that do. "Ankle-biting, naysaying, and complaining" accomplish absolutely nothing forward. If you don't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go another way and see if you can find followers (workers, not ditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making progress in their direction... That's the only way progress is made in volunteer organizations...
This is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30 years... Bob, WB4APR
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All, I think that you are all on the same floor of the building now. After a few days of postings, I'd like to chime in. What has happened in the past with Satellite building is a that a group of "Friends" got together and decided that "hey, let's do this!" As friends, they knew each other well and enjoyed each others company regardless of drawbacks and shortcomings. On that level, as I believe, is how we should approach any management style. As some of our shirts say "We all are (or not) Rocket scientists." The goal is the same, to enjoy satellites built by our peers. The other 99% should support them with fund raisers, attending hamfests to show others what we are trying to do and bring them on our side of the ropes. I also noted a few weeks ago that there are BOD members openings and if you feel that you could have offered better ideas and directions, you would get on the proper bandwagon and ramp up towards that direction. I only see 4 on the ballot. So once again, comments are shallow and only potshots at the people that are volunteering their time, efforts, experience and direction are flung out into the ether. Constructive comments are always welcome to keep the organization on track. Those that want to detract others from the smooth operation of an organization as AMSAT-NA ,be ready with their services to back up ideas with action. 73, Dee, NB2F NJ AMSAT Co-ordinator East coast " "
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Dee-
When we get our 3m antenna installed we'll be happy to share with the local AMSAT people, if we could find them. We will be holding an media event and general open house at the installation and ask the local ham clubs in Pueblo and Canon City to invite their folks and this time have membership info available. I'll also put up AMSAT membership info, although any new folks will need classes, help in getting started, and mentoring -not to speak of equipment. We'll ask teachers to invite their students so we can introduce schools to the idea of space communications in time for Mark Spencer's ARRL Teacher's Institute seminars.
Although it's mainly to support Colorado Space Grant Consortium launches, it will be used for ARRL (and AMSAT) activity too if we can get it coordinated. I think AMSAT folks are much in need and would be appreciated very much to get the mechanics worked out and show how to work satellites with similar, but smaller, equipment. AMSAT would be a welcome partner as is ARRL.
The possibilities are there. Would AMSAT be open to finding a way to work together?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "kc6uqh" kc6uqh@cox.net To: "Dee" morsesat@optonline.net Cc: "Rick Hambly" w2gps@amsat.org; AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works...
Dee, I am a past president of the Palomar Amateur Radio Club, The only way I got volunteers was to personaly ask them on a one on one basis. Amsat is not an option for me.
- I have a full time job
- I am still involved with the Palomar Club and receintly rebuilt one of
thier repeaters. 3. My arthritic 6'2" frame does not fit in a seat for a 6 year old child on a commercial aircraft. 4. At age 65 I can not spend 4-5 hours every night and continue my full time employment.
If someone wants some help I may have something to offer locally. I used H/B antennas one on a 6'step ladder to sucessfully work AO-40. These are not solutions ICOM and YEASU wants to see published, they want to sell equipment! Low tech solutions are enjoied by only a few.
Art
----- Original Message ----- From: Dee To: kc6uqh Cc: bruninga@usna.edu ; AMSAT-BB@amsat.org ; Rick Hambly Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works...
kc6uqh wrote:
Bob, There was a time not long ago when one Amateur could do an amazing project.
Today the multi-disiplines required to put a S/C together and get it into space, require a well managed team effort. This is true for any cutting edge technoloigy of today.
Amateur Radio can only do team efforts, provided the team respects each other and everyone has complementry skills.
Leadership is required to bring the skills needed together and maintain a critical mass long enough to complete the project.
I came into electronics at an early age, restored a receiver that was recovered from a sunken ship and listened to Spuknik on it in 1957. I have spent my whole life in electronics and have enjoied the many projects I worked on.
How many parents would allow there son to work on a receiver with 400VDC present in this day and age, where a helmet is now required to ride a bicycle? Where is the youth of today going to get the practical experience required to build a satellite?
TV has all but ruined creativity and imagination. There is a big difference between a computer simulation and application in the physical form! AMSAT is not going to get many more chances to assemble a team that had the skills to make Oscar 10 and 13. Time is not on our side. Amatuers with the right skill sets are mostly my age, Most youth of today would have trouble with soldering and operating a screwdriver, that is if thier parents would alow them to try.
Art, KC6UQH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Bruninga" bruninga@usna.edu To: AMSAT-BB@AMSAT.Org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] How volunteerism works...
Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what "needs to be done"... And most of them are pointed at better "management"... Or better "direction" of what is being done (by others)...
The issue in an all volunteer organization is not "what" needs to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the "management and direction" but the actual WORK. That requires volunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and thick skin, Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from the peanut gallery...
Counter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers we need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting in there and "kicking butt" and "better management"... You do that in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing left but managers and butt kickers and complainers.
This happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to the local clubs and all the way to the top. You'd think by now that the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have about 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham radio. Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a need and jump in to fill it.
It is very simple!
If you can contribute "work" then jump in and do it. Othwerwise "get out of the way" and contribute money, food, encouragement, and assistance to those that do. "Ankle-biting, naysaying, and complaining" accomplish absolutely nothing forward. If you don't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go another way and see if you can find followers (workers, not ditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making progress in their direction... That's the only way progress is made in volunteer organizations...
This is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30 years... Bob, WB4APR
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All, I think that you are all on the same floor of the building now. After a few days of postings, I'd like to chime in. What has happened in the past with Satellite building is a that a group of "Friends" got together and decided that "hey, let's do this!" As friends, they knew each other well and enjoyed each others company regardless of drawbacks and shortcomings. On that level, as I believe, is how we should approach any management style. As some of our shirts say "We all are (or not) Rocket scientists." The goal is the same, to enjoy satellites built by our peers. The other 99% should support them with fund raisers, attending hamfests to show others what we are trying to do and bring them on our side of the ropes. I also noted a few weeks ago that there are BOD members openings and if you feel that you could have offered better ideas and directions, you would get on the proper bandwagon and ramp up towards that direction. I only see 4 on the ballot. So once again, comments are shallow and only potshots at the people that are volunteering their time, efforts, experience and direction are flung out into the ether. Constructive comments are always welcome to keep the organization on track. Those that want to detract others from the smooth operation of an organization as AMSAT-NA ,be ready with their services to back up ideas with action. 73, Dee, NB2F NJ AMSAT Co-ordinator East coast " "
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Dave, Again, Our website has listings of AMSAT area co-ordinators. Look for the ones near you and give them a shout. Things could begin as simply as starting a NET with permission of one of the repeaters in the area and publisize it in local club news letters. You will be surprised at the amount of people you will find interested in our end of the hobby. Sometimes, we sit back and want the other person to forge ahead but I look in the mirror and remember who that other guy is. 73, Dee
D. Mynatt wrote:
Dee-
When we get our 3m antenna installed we'll be happy to share with the local AMSAT people, if we could find them. We will be holding an media event and general open house at the installation and ask the local ham clubs in Pueblo and Canon City to invite their folks and this time have membership info available. I'll also put up AMSAT membership info, although any new folks will need classes, help in getting started, and mentoring -not to speak of equipment. We'll ask teachers to invite their students so we can introduce schools to the idea of space communications in time for Mark Spencer's ARRL Teacher's Institute seminars.
Although it's mainly to support Colorado Space Grant Consortium launches, it will be used for ARRL (and AMSAT) activity too if we can get it coordinated. I think AMSAT folks are much in need and would be appreciated very much to get the mechanics worked out and show how to work satellites with similar, but smaller, equipment. AMSAT would be a welcome partner as is ARRL.
The possibilities are there. Would AMSAT be open to finding a way to work together?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "kc6uqh" kc6uqh@cox.net To: "Dee" morsesat@optonline.net Cc: "Rick Hambly" w2gps@amsat.org; AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works...
Dee, I am a past president of the Palomar Amateur Radio Club, The only way I got volunteers was to personaly ask them on a one on one basis. Amsat is not an option for me.
- I have a full time job
- I am still involved with the Palomar Club and receintly rebuilt
one of thier repeaters. 3. My arthritic 6'2" frame does not fit in a seat for a 6 year old child on a commercial aircraft. 4. At age 65 I can not spend 4-5 hours every night and continue my full time employment.
If someone wants some help I may have something to offer locally. I used H/B antennas one on a 6'step ladder to sucessfully work AO-40. These are not solutions ICOM and YEASU wants to see published, they want to sell equipment! Low tech solutions are enjoied by only a few.
Art
----- Original Message ----- From: Dee To: kc6uqh Cc: bruninga@usna.edu ; AMSAT-BB@amsat.org ; Rick Hambly Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works...
kc6uqh wrote:
Bob, There was a time not long ago when one Amateur could do an amazing project.
Today the multi-disiplines required to put a S/C together and get it into space, require a well managed team effort. This is true for any cutting edge technoloigy of today.
Amateur Radio can only do team efforts, provided the team respects each other and everyone has complementry skills.
Leadership is required to bring the skills needed together and maintain a critical mass long enough to complete the project.
I came into electronics at an early age, restored a receiver that was recovered from a sunken ship and listened to Spuknik on it in 1957. I have spent my whole life in electronics and have enjoied the many projects I worked on.
How many parents would allow there son to work on a receiver with 400VDC present in this day and age, where a helmet is now required to ride a bicycle? Where is the youth of today going to get the practical experience required to build a satellite?
TV has all but ruined creativity and imagination. There is a big difference between a computer simulation and application in the physical form! AMSAT is not going to get many more chances to assemble a team that had the skills to make Oscar 10 and 13. Time is not on our side. Amatuers with the right skill sets are mostly my age, Most youth of today would have trouble with soldering and operating a screwdriver, that is if thier parents would alow them to try.
Art, KC6UQH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Bruninga" bruninga@usna.edu To: AMSAT-BB@AMSAT.Org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] How volunteerism works...
Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what "needs to be done"... And most of them are pointed at better "management"... Or better "direction" of what is being done (by others)...
The issue in an all volunteer organization is not "what" needs to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the "management and direction" but the actual WORK. That requires volunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and thick skin, Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from the peanut gallery...
Counter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers we need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting in there and "kicking butt" and "better management"... You do that in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing left but managers and butt kickers and complainers.
This happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to the local clubs and all the way to the top. You'd think by now that the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have about 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham radio. Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a need and jump in to fill it.
It is very simple!
If you can contribute "work" then jump in and do it. Othwerwise "get out of the way" and contribute money, food, encouragement, and assistance to those that do. "Ankle-biting, naysaying, and complaining" accomplish absolutely nothing forward. If you don't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go another way and see if you can find followers (workers, not ditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making progress in their direction... That's the only way progress is made in volunteer organizations...
This is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30 years... Bob, WB4APR
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All, I think that you are all on the same floor of the building now. After a few days of postings, I'd like to chime in. What has happened in the past with Satellite building is a that a group of "Friends" got together and decided that "hey, let's do this!" As friends, they knew each other well and enjoyed each others company regardless of drawbacks and shortcomings. On that level, as I believe, is how we should approach any management style. As some of our shirts say "We all are (or not) Rocket scientists." The goal is the same, to enjoy satellites built by our peers. The other 99% should support them with fund raisers, attending hamfests to show others what we are trying to do and bring them on our side of the ropes. I also noted a few weeks ago that there are BOD members openings and if you feel that you could have offered better ideas and directions, you would get on the proper bandwagon and ramp up towards that direction. I only see 4 on the ballot. So once again, comments are shallow and only potshots at the people that are volunteering their time, efforts, experience and direction are flung out into the ether. Constructive comments are always welcome to keep the organization on track. Those that want to detract others from the smooth operation of an organization as AMSAT-NA ,be ready with their services to back up ideas with action. 73, Dee, NB2F NJ AMSAT Co-ordinator East coast " "
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Dear all,
This is the link to the new webpage of CS5CEP at IST-TAGUS (Technical University of Lisbon) located inside TAGUSPARK the park of Science and Technology:
Regards,
AMSAT-CT www.amrad.pt
Art, I commend you for your local efforts. I am not far behind you in age. I hope to make myself more available after retirement to the Hamsat community. Most of us do have full time employment as well and we have other commitments and hobbies to keep us occupied. In my area, I have several clubs that wish to make me their property, however, in the same boat as you are. No one is asking for a full employment type commitment, although sometimes it seems that way. We all do what we can to inform our fellow hams of how things operate with satellites. This is our passion. You can be a rollmodel for this easy and simple ways to work satellites with your homebrew experience. I am not sure of what type of support AMSAT offers in your area but we have a cadre of Co-ordinators listed on the website (with our fully operational store) to give you assistance. Age 65?? I think you are the average age of every one that assisted at the AMSAT Booth in Dayton this year. Yes the manufacturer's will sell their gear but a non profit like AMSAT needs support of the academia area and Government subsidies that they produce to further education. Seek out your local AMSAT guys and let them know of your interest to help out. The North East has many that are busier than most people and leaves many holes and areas people like you could help out. 73, Dee NB2F
kc6uqh wrote:
Dee, I am a past president of the Palomar Amateur Radio Club, The only way I got volunteers was to personaly ask them on a one on one basis. Amsat is not an option for me.
- I have a full time job
- I am still involved with the Palomar Club and receintly rebuilt one
of thier repeaters. 3. My arthritic 6'2" frame does not fit in a seat for a 6 year old child on a commercial aircraft. 4. At age 65 I can not spend 4-5 hours every night and continue my full time employment.
If someone wants some help I may have something to offer locally. I used H/B antennas one on a 6'step ladder to sucessfully work AO-40. These are not solutions ICOM and YEASU wants to see published, they want to sell equipment! Low tech solutions are enjoied by only a few.
Art
----- Original Message -----
From: Dee <mailto:morsesat@optonline.net> To: kc6uqh <mailto:kc6uqh@cox.net> Cc: bruninga@usna.edu <mailto:bruninga@usna.edu> ; AMSAT-BB@amsat.org <mailto:AMSAT-BB@amsat.org> ; Rick Hambly <mailto:w2gps@amsat.org> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works... kc6uqh wrote:Bob, There was a time not long ago when one Amateur could do an amazing project.
Today the multi-disiplines required to put a S/C together and get it into space, require a well managed team effort. This is true for any cutting edge technoloigy of today.
Amateur Radio can only do team efforts, provided the team respects each other and everyone has complementry skills.
Leadership is required to bring the skills needed together and maintain a critical mass long enough to complete the project.
I came into electronics at an early age, restored a receiver that was recovered from a sunken ship and listened to Spuknik on it in 1957. I have spent my whole life in electronics and have enjoied the many projects I worked on.
How many parents would allow there son to work on a receiver with 400VDC present in this day and age, where a helmet is now required to ride a bicycle? Where is the youth of today going to get the practical experience required to build a satellite?
TV has all but ruined creativity and imagination. There is a big difference between a computer simulation and application in the physical form! AMSAT is not going to get many more chances to assemble a team that had the skills to make Oscar 10 and 13. Time is not on our side. Amatuers with the right skill sets are mostly my age, Most youth of today would have trouble with soldering and operating a screwdriver, that is if thier parents would alow them to try.
Art, KC6UQH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Bruninga" bruninga@usna.edu To: AMSAT-BB@AMSAT.Org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] How volunteerism works...
Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what "needs to be done"... And most of them are pointed at better "management"... Or better "direction" of what is being done (by others)...
The issue in an all volunteer organization is not "what" needs to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the "management and direction" but the actual WORK. That requires volunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and thick skin, Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from the peanut gallery...
Counter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers we need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting in there and "kicking butt" and "better management"... You do that in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing left but managers and butt kickers and complainers.
This happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to the local clubs and all the way to the top. You'd think by now that the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have about 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham radio. Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a need and jump in to fill it.
It is very simple!
If you can contribute "work" then jump in and do it. Othwerwise "get out of the way" and contribute money, food, encouragement, and assistance to those that do. "Ankle-biting, naysaying, and complaining" accomplish absolutely nothing forward. If you don't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go another way and see if you can find followers (workers, not ditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making progress in their direction... That's the only way progress is made in volunteer organizations...
This is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30 years... Bob, WB4APR
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All, I think that you are all on the same floor of the building now. After a few days of postings, I'd like to chime in. What has happened in the past with Satellite building is a that a group of "Friends" got together and decided that "hey, let's do this!" As friends, they knew each other well and enjoyed each others company regardless of drawbacks and shortcomings. On that level, as I believe, is how we should approach any management style. As some of our shirts say "We all are (or not) Rocket scientists." The goal is the same, to enjoy satellites built by our peers. The other 99% should support them with fund raisers, attending hamfests to show others what we are trying to do and bring them on our side of the ropes. I also noted a few weeks ago that there are BOD members openings and if you feel that you could have offered better ideas and directions, you would get on the proper bandwagon and ramp up towards that direction. I only see 4 on the ballot. So once again, comments are shallow and only potshots at the people that are volunteering their time, efforts, experience and direction are flung out into the ether. Constructive comments are always welcome to keep the organization on track. Those that want to detract others from the smooth operation of an organization as AMSAT-NA ,be ready with their services to back up ideas with action. 73, Dee, NB2F NJ AMSAT Co-ordinator East coast " " __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3230 (20080701) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
Art, very valid points. I'm thinking what spouse will tolerate a ham working on 4000-volts, today?
A collegue made a complement this week in a meeting saying that I would be harder to replace in 2-1/2 years when I retire, as I should be considered an "old-school technician". Meaning, that I had lots of history and ability for hands-on troubleshooting and repairs. He was warning my employer to not think they will easily hire someone within the 2-weeks of my retirement and may want to get someone onboard sooner in order to pick up a bit from me. My employer advised that the company BOD had already approved hiring my replacement for the last year that I work (to work alongside me)...wow!
I too, started in summer 1957 by building an Ocean Hopper 3-tube receiver (at age 13) and heard Sputnik. My Dad bought me a solder gun for my birthday so I could assemble it. Yep, different times!
I was given adult responsibilities at age ten.
73 Ed - KL7UW
At 09:29 PM 7/18/2008, kc6uqh wrote:
Bob, There was a time not long ago when one Amateur could do an amazing project.
Today the multi-disiplines required to put a S/C together and get it into space, require a well managed team effort. This is true for any cutting edge technoloigy of today.
Amateur Radio can only do team efforts, provided the team respects each other and everyone has complementry skills.
Leadership is required to bring the skills needed together and maintain a critical mass long enough to complete the project.
I came into electronics at an early age, restored a receiver that was recovered from a sunken ship and listened to Spuknik on it in 1957. I have spent my whole life in electronics and have enjoied the many projects I worked on.
How many parents would allow there son to work on a receiver with 400VDC present in this day and age, where a helmet is now required to ride a bicycle? Where is the youth of today going to get the practical experience required to build a satellite?
TV has all but ruined creativity and imagination. There is a big difference between a computer simulation and application in the physical form! AMSAT is not going to get many more chances to assemble a team that had the skills to make Oscar 10 and 13. Time is not on our side. Amatuers with the right skill sets are mostly my age, Most youth of today would have trouble with soldering and operating a screwdriver, that is if thier parents would alow them to try.
Art, KC6UQH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Bruninga" bruninga@usna.edu To: AMSAT-BB@AMSAT.Org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] How volunteerism works...
Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what "needs to be done"... And most of them are pointed at better "management"... Or better "direction" of what is being done (by others)...
The issue in an all volunteer organization is not "what" needs to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the "management and direction" but the actual WORK. That requires volunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and thick skin, Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from the peanut gallery...
Counter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers we need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting in there and "kicking butt" and "better management"... You do that in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing left but managers and butt kickers and complainers.
This happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to the local clubs and all the way to the top. You'd think by now that the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have about 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham radio. Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a need and jump in to fill it.
It is very simple!
If you can contribute "work" then jump in and do it. Othwerwise "get out of the way" and contribute money, food, encouragement, and assistance to those that do. "Ankle-biting, naysaying, and complaining" accomplish absolutely nothing forward. If you don't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go another way and see if you can find followers (workers, not ditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making progress in their direction... That's the only way progress is made in volunteer organizations...
This is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30 years... Bob, WB4APR
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