RS demise - taking back 11 meters?
Here is an idea. Radio Shack was the #1 seller and supporter of CB radios. But as they close down, there remains a few BILLION dollars worth of 27 MHz spectrum sitting on the table.
Why not come up with a proposal for the FCC to give it back to HAMS? What for? That is the BIG question. Its wavelength is IDEAL for mobile operation. And HAMS love making use of old radios.
I do not want this to smack of self-interest, but APRS seems like a pretty good use of a channel. And it does not involve speakers having to listen to foul language..
So what is the KILLER APP for 11 Meters?
How do we make it happen?
Does anyone know of any "under used channel" for experimentation? Who would like to get an STA from the FCC to "experiment?
We already have a space segment at 29 MHz, and I dont think that AM is of much use for satellites... so I have no ideas for specific AMSAT applicatiojns.... But how could we u se all those $5 radios and antennas at flea markets.....
Bob, Wb4APR
Bob, not to sound overly negative but... Just how would you remove all the stations that are currently on 11 meters? you think all the the truckers and others are going to toss their radios and amps in the trash? The FCC has turned a blind eye to jamming on HF for the most part and I'm sure would not care if hams had to put up with CB ops still going on if we got 11 meters back. Also I'm surprised we have as much bandwidth as we do considering a vast majority of it goes pretty much unused,I'm not sure 11 meters would provide us anything that we do not all ready have...
73 Kevin WA6FWF
On 2/8/2015 11:53 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
Here is an idea. Radio Shack was the #1 seller and supporter of CB radios. But as they close down, there remains a few BILLION dollars worth of 27 MHz spectrum sitting on the table.
Why not come up with a proposal for the FCC to give it back to HAMS? What for? That is the BIG question. Its wavelength is IDEAL for mobile operation. And HAMS love making use of old radios.
I do not want this to smack of self-interest, but APRS seems like a pretty good use of a channel. And it does not involve speakers having to listen to foul language..
So what is the KILLER APP for 11 Meters?
How do we make it happen?
Does anyone know of any "under used channel" for experimentation? Who would like to get an STA from the FCC to "experiment?
We already have a space segment at 29 MHz, and I dont think that AM is of much use for satellites... so I have no ideas for specific AMSAT applicatiojns.... But how could we u se all those $5 radios and antennas at flea markets.....
Bob, Wb4APR _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Op 08-02-15 om 21:32 schreef Kevin Schuchmann:
Bob, not to sound overly negative but... Just how would you remove all the stations that are currently on 11 meters? you think all the the truckers and others are going to toss their radios and amps in the trash? The FCC has turned a blind eye to jamming on HF for the most part and I'm sure would not care if hams had to put up with CB ops still going on if we got 11 meters back. Also I'm surprised we have as much bandwidth as we do considering a vast majority of it goes pretty much unused,I'm not sure 11 meters would provide us anything that we do not all ready have...
73 Kevin WA6FWF
Also don't forget that 11m does not stop at the border, in most countries it is still an active used band with plenty of new radios still being sold.
73 de Andre PE1RDW
After listening to the pileup on 10m SSB yesterday for K1N, the 11 meter crowd is already on 10m!
73 John AF5CC
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Andre sats@pe1rdw.demon.nl wrote:
Op 08-02-15 om 21:32 schreef Kevin Schuchmann:
Bob, not to sound overly negative but... Just how would you remove all the stations that are currently on 11 meters? you think all the the truckers and others are going to toss their radios and amps in the trash? The FCC has turned a blind eye to jamming on HF for the most part and I'm sure would not care if hams had to put up with CB ops still going on if we got 11 meters back. Also I'm surprised we have as much bandwidth as we do considering a vast majority of it goes pretty much unused,I'm not sure 11 meters would provide us anything that we do not all ready have...
73 Kevin WA6FWF
Also don't forget that 11m does not stop at the border, in most countries it is still an active used band with plenty of new radios still being sold.
73 de Andre PE1RDW
Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Hi, Bob,
Problem is that CB isn’t going away. A number of other companies still sell stuff for 27 MHz.
Hams got the use of the band originally as it was (and is) a free radiation band (ISM) band, like so many other bands we share across the radio spectrum.
When CB came along, it was originally at 460-470 MHz. As land mobile grew, the wizards(?) at FCC thought to move most of CB to 27 MHz. Curiously, this move was opposed by the American Trucking Association for good and sound technical reasons.
[In 460-470 MHz, CB became the General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) (licensed, as the original CB was) on 8 channel pairs. Later on, Radio Shack proposed and the Commission adopted the idea of the Family Radio Service (FRS). Lots of companies sell in this market as well.]
Getting 27 MHz back for hams seems highly unlikely, even though most of the 40 channels remain amazingly quiet.
I hope this helps.
73, art….. W4ART Arlington VA
On 8-Feb-2015, at 03:48 PM, Andre sats@pe1rdw.demon.nl wrote:
Op 08-02-15 om 21:32 schreef Kevin Schuchmann:
Bob, not to sound overly negative but... Just how would you remove all the stations that are currently on 11 meters? you think all the the truckers and others are going to toss their radios and amps in the trash? The FCC has turned a blind eye to jamming on HF for the most part and I'm sure would not care if hams had to put up with CB ops still going on if we got 11 meters back. Also I'm surprised we have as much bandwidth as we do considering a vast majority of it goes pretty much unused,I'm not sure 11 meters would provide us anything that we do not all ready have...
73 Kevin WA6FWF
Also don't forget that 11m does not stop at the border, in most countries it is still an active used band with plenty of new radios still being sold.
73 de Andre PE1RDW
Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
A bell is not a bell till you ring it. A song is not a song till you sing it. Love in your heart isn't put there to stay. Love isn't love till you give it away. - Oscar Hammerstein II
Some thoughts to your concerns... 1) Here in Maryland, I dont hear much at all. The only channel heavily used is 19. 2) I guess I was thinking about just a couple of data channels 3) Is there any data stuff there already? (Its not approved)... 4) Despite my subject line, maybe I as thinking about just getting the FCC to allow some data channels, remaining in the CB service?
I agree, it would be ugly if not impossible change hands.on users. But "not lick'em, but 'join'em" and make some use of the spectrum.
Bob, WB4APR
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Kevin Schuchmann WA6FWF@comcast.net wrote:
Bob, not to sound overly negative but... Just how would you remove all the stations that are currently on 11 meters? you think all the the truckers and others are going to toss their radios and amps in the trash? The FCC has turned a blind eye to jamming on HF for the most part and I'm sure would not care if hams had to put up with CB ops still going on if we got 11 meters back. Also I'm surprised we have as much bandwidth as we do considering a vast majority of it goes pretty much unused,I'm not sure 11 meters would provide us anything that we do not all ready have...
73 Kevin WA6FWF
On 2/8/2015 11:53 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
Here is an idea. Radio Shack was the #1 seller and supporter of CB radios. But as they close down, there remains a few BILLION dollars worth of 27 MHz spectrum sitting on the table.
Why not come up with a proposal for the FCC to give it back to HAMS? What for? That is the BIG question. Its wavelength is IDEAL for mobile operation. And HAMS love making use of old radios.
I do not want this to smack of self-interest, but APRS seems like a pretty good use of a channel. And it does not involve speakers having to listen to foul language..
So what is the KILLER APP for 11 Meters?
How do we make it happen?
Does anyone know of any "under used channel" for experimentation? Who would like to get an STA from the FCC to "experiment?
We already have a space segment at 29 MHz, and I dont think that AM is of much use for satellites... so I have no ideas for specific AMSAT applicatiojns.... But how could we u se all those $5 radios and antennas at flea markets.....
Bob, Wb4APR _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Bob, the reason why hams can do data and CB cannot is that we take technical exams. CB folks have no technical qualifications, so they get PHD (push here dummy) radios.
73, art…..
On 8-Feb-2015, at 05:53 PM, Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu wrote:
Some thoughts to your concerns...
- Here in Maryland, I dont hear much at all. The only channel heavily
used is 19. 2) I guess I was thinking about just a couple of data channels 3) Is there any data stuff there already? (Its not approved)... 4) Despite my subject line, maybe I as thinking about just getting the FCC to allow some data channels, remaining in the CB service?
I agree, it would be ugly if not impossible change hands.on users. But "not lick'em, but 'join'em" and make some use of the spectrum.
Bob, WB4APR
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Kevin Schuchmann WA6FWF@comcast.net wrote:
Bob, not to sound overly negative but... Just how would you remove all the stations that are currently on 11 meters? you think all the the truckers and others are going to toss their radios and amps in the trash? The FCC has turned a blind eye to jamming on HF for the most part and I'm sure would not care if hams had to put up with CB ops still going on if we got 11 meters back. Also I'm surprised we have as much bandwidth as we do considering a vast majority of it goes pretty much unused,I'm not sure 11 meters would provide us anything that we do not all ready have...
73 Kevin WA6FWF
On 2/8/2015 11:53 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
Here is an idea. Radio Shack was the #1 seller and supporter of CB radios. But as they close down, there remains a few BILLION dollars worth of 27 MHz spectrum sitting on the table.
Why not come up with a proposal for the FCC to give it back to HAMS? What for? That is the BIG question. Its wavelength is IDEAL for mobile operation. And HAMS love making use of old radios.
I do not want this to smack of self-interest, but APRS seems like a pretty good use of a channel. And it does not involve speakers having to listen to foul language..
So what is the KILLER APP for 11 Meters?
How do we make it happen?
Does anyone know of any "under used channel" for experimentation? Who would like to get an STA from the FCC to "experiment?
We already have a space segment at 29 MHz, and I dont think that AM is of much use for satellites... so I have no ideas for specific AMSAT applicatiojns.... But how could we u se all those $5 radios and antennas at flea markets.....
Bob, Wb4APR _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
A bell is not a bell till you ring it. A song is not a song till you sing it. Love in your heart isn't put there to stay. Love isn't love till you give it away. - Oscar Hammerstein II
Op 09-02-15 om 00:04 schreef Arthur Feller:
Bob, the reason why hams can do data and CB cannot is that we take technical exams. CB folks have no technical qualifications, so they get PHD (push here dummy) radios.
73, art…..
CB packet and later aprs was on par with what most hams did in europe, many hams where active in packet on both CB and hamradio so it is more a local restriction rather then a technical.
73 Andre PE1RDW
The 11-meter band was NEVER a true amateur radio band. The ITU treaty, after World War II, stated that 11-meters was for land mobile operation. Amateur radio operators were allowed to use the frequencies for most of the 1950s. However, amateur radio was 3rd behind scientific and then industrial uses. Things like the old diathermy machines, which were used in hospitals and doctors' offices, that ran with raw AC and put out all sorts of spurious signals, had priority over any amateur radio use of the band. As such, very few amateur radio operators ever even used the band. When the Novice Class license was first issued, those operators had CW privileges on the 80-meter and the 11-meter bands. However, it was not long before the FCC pulled the 11-meter allocation and gave the Novice Class operators CW privileges on 80-meters, 40-meters, and 15-meters. Operation using phone and CW was allowed in the 145.0 MHz to 147.0 MHz segment. Technician Class operators had 6-meter privileges and privileges 220 MHz and above. However, that class of operators did not have any 2-meter privileges. In 1959, Technician Class operators were granted the same 145.0 MHz to 147 MHz segment. Later, the 147.0 MHz to 148.0 MHz segment was granted and, finally the entire 2-meter band. When the Class "D" Citizens' Radio Service was established, that service met the primary use of the 11-meter band since this service is land mobile. For the FCC to again allow amateur radio use of the 11-meter band, that would be in violation of international treaties to which the United States is signatory. As such, don't hold your breath! Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.net From: Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu To: amsat bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 1:53 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] RS demise - taking back 11 meters?
Here is an idea. Radio Shack was the #1 seller and supporter of CB radios. But as they close down, there remains a few BILLION dollars worth of 27 MHz spectrum sitting on the table.
Why not come up with a proposal for the FCC to give it back to HAMS? What for? That is the BIG question. Its wavelength is IDEAL for mobile operation. And HAMS love making use of old radios.
I do not want this to smack of self-interest, but APRS seems like a pretty good use of a channel. And it does not involve speakers having to listen to foul language..
So what is the KILLER APP for 11 Meters?
How do we make it happen?
Does anyone know of any "under used channel" for experimentation? Who would like to get an STA from the FCC to "experiment?
We already have a space segment at 29 MHz, and I dont think that AM is of much use for satellites... so I have no ideas for specific AMSAT applicatiojns.... But how could we u se all those $5 radios and antennas at flea markets.....
participants (6)
-
Andre -
Arthur Feller -
Glen Zook -
John Geiger -
Kevin Schuchmann -
Robert Bruninga