Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Rudeness (elbow room)
I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO, which prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.
Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user wideband transponder on PSAT-1. Downlink is good on a handheld arrow on 435.350 MHz FM. It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous full duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.
Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes of the pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..
To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31 software. One receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on the SSB uplink. Even better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink client that pre-adjusts for Doppler so everyone can decode you with no adjustments.
Text with everyone all at once.
Bob, WB4aPR
Bob,
It is a shame it's not more popular. I have listened to the downlink and it's a good signal. My apartment QTH makes it very difficult to set up to use it, but most hams with a full home satellite station should be able to use it very easily.
Maybe an award for working several different stations on it would help increase the popularity?
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu wrote:
I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO, which prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.
Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user wideband transponder on PSAT-1. Downlink is good on a handheld arrow on 435.350 MHz FM. It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous full duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.
Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes of the pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..
To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31 software. One receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on the SSB uplink. Even better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink client that pre-adjusts for Doppler so everyone can decode you with no adjustments.
Text with everyone all at once.
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I think an award might be a good idea Paul, It's certainly a quiet satellite when its over Europe, I've called via it a number of times and never managed to actually work someone :-(
Peter, 2E0SQL
On 3 November 2015 at 22:41, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
Bob,
It is a shame it's not more popular. I have listened to the downlink and it's a good signal. My apartment QTH makes it very difficult to set up to use it, but most hams with a full home satellite station should be able to use it very easily.
Maybe an award for working several different stations on it would help increase the popularity?
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu wrote:
I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO, which prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.
Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user wideband transponder on PSAT-1. Downlink is good on a handheld arrow on 435.350 MHz FM. It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous full duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.
Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes of
the
pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..
To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31 software.
One
receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on the SSB uplink.
Even
better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink client that pre-adjusts for Doppler so everyone can decode you with no adjustments.
Text with everyone all at once.
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Hi,
Over my location it's quiet most of the time, despite I can hear it. It had two passes today at a good angle. On one of them I aimed at it the same setup I have for SO-50 and LilacSat-2 but no luck. On the second one I used the omni and 50W when at a lower angle, still no luck. Applied possible frequency corrections based on reports from around the world, between 435.160 to 435.185. Zip, nothing. Guess we still didn't get to know it well around here.
73 Pedro CU2ZG HM77FR
On 03/11/2015 21:53, Peter Goodhall wrote:
I think an award might be a good idea Paul, It's certainly a quiet satellite when its over Europe, I've called via it a number of times and never managed to actually work someone :-(
Peter, 2E0SQL
On 3 November 2015 at 22:41, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
Bob,
It is a shame it's not more popular. I have listened to the downlink and it's a good signal. My apartment QTH makes it very difficult to set up to use it, but most hams with a full home satellite station should be able to use it very easily.
Maybe an award for working several different stations on it would help increase the popularity?
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu wrote:
I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO, which prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.
Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user wideband transponder on PSAT-1. Downlink is good on a handheld arrow on 435.350 MHz FM. It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous full duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.
Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes of
the
pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..
To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31 software.
One
receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on the SSB uplink.
Even
better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink client that pre-adjusts for Doppler so everyone can decode you with no adjustments.
Text with everyone all at once.
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I like to see the 10m uplink "arrow" approach :-)
While PSAT-1 is a nice "proof of concept for PSK-31" in reality it does nothing for the portable operator and that is what the original post is all about. Bad behaviour is not solved by switching to different satellites and different modes, it is solved by education, courtesy and the "gentle" reminder.
Using PSK31 is a great idea, the 10m uplink is the real issue for the non-use of PSAT-1. Should I say "fatal flaw"? Not many of us have a 10m dipole ready as part of our satellite setup (stationary or mobile for that matter). It is time that we move on and promote digital modes on frequencies that are actually used within the allocated satellite bands and even better on higher bands where we have allocations and we don't use them. How about a PSK-31 Cubesat within VHF/UHF? That is a nice mobile challenge combining portable TX ability with a tablet :-) and some new apps. Let's think outside of the box for a while... and leave 10m on the ground where it belongs LOL :-)
Food for thought,
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu wrote:
I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO, which prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.
Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user wideband transponder on PSAT-1. Downlink is good on a handheld arrow on 435.350 MHz FM. It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous full duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.
Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes of the pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..
To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31 software. One receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on the SSB uplink. Even better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink client that pre-adjusts for Doppler so everyone can decode you with no adjustments.
Text with everyone all at once.
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Wow! As a Old schooler, I'm quite the opposite! I was extremely happy when I saw the 10 meter use. I was on every mode "A" bird, LOVED those birds, and even the Russian mode "K" I think it was? 10/15 meters.
NO-84 is a bird that almost 90% of hams have capability of. No special high priced all mode VHF/UHF rigs. A cheap 100 buck like radio shack 10 meter rig and a scanner and youre on this bird. it's awesome. And unlike the single channel FM CB birds, you don't have the CB channel effect. Instead of one conversation at a time there can be dozens!
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 11/3/2015 9:43 PM, Stefan Wagener wrote:
I like to see the 10m uplink "arrow" approach :-)
While PSAT-1 is a nice "proof of concept for PSK-31" in reality it does nothing for the portable operator and that is what the original post is all about. Bad behaviour is not solved by switching to different satellites and different modes, it is solved by education, courtesy and the "gentle" reminder.
Using PSK31 is a great idea, the 10m uplink is the real issue for the non-use of PSAT-1. Should I say "fatal flaw"? Not many of us have a 10m dipole ready as part of our satellite setup (stationary or mobile for that matter). It is time that we move on and promote digital modes on frequencies that are actually used within the allocated satellite bands and even better on higher bands where we have allocations and we don't use them. How about a PSK-31 Cubesat within VHF/UHF? That is a nice mobile challenge combining portable TX ability with a tablet :-) and some new apps. Let's think outside of the box for a while... and leave 10m on the ground where it belongs LOL :-)
Food for thought,
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu wrote:
I too have noticed some serious SAT-HOGs having a QSO, which prevented me from making an HT-ARROW portable OP contact.
Take a break from the congestion.... come to the wide open multi-user wideband transponder on PSAT-1. Downlink is good on a handheld arrow on 435.350 MHz FM. It should be able to support dozens of simultaneous full duplex QSO's in the PSK31 waterfall.
Just pick an empty spot and key your TX solid for the full 8 minutes of the pass on your 10 meter PSK31 uplink 28.121 MHz..
To run fullduplex, just run two copies of your favorite PSK31 software. One receiving the FM downlink and the other transmitting on the SSB uplink. Even better is to run Andy K0SM's TX-only uplink client that pre-adjusts for Doppler so everyone can decode you with no adjustments.
Text with everyone all at once.
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El 04/11/15 a las 14:19, Joe escribió:
Wow! As a Old schooler, I'm quite the opposite! I was extremely happy when I saw the 10 meter use. I was on every mode "A" bird, LOVED those birds, and even the Russian mode "K" I think it was? 10/15 meters.
NO-84 is a bird that almost 90% of hams have capability of. No special high priced all mode VHF/UHF rigs. A cheap 100 buck like radio shack 10 meter rig and a scanner and youre on this bird. it's awesome. And unlike the single channel FM CB birds, you don't have the CB channel effect. Instead of one conversation at a time there can be dozens!
Unfortunately, NO-84 it's not terribly easy to hear, requiring some rotator setup, circular omni with preamp or hand-pointed arrow. With a hand-pointed arrow it's very easy to hear, but it's almost impossible to work it in this manner. This is what's keeping me from being QRV in this bird. I can be in my garden pointing the arrow or in the shack with the 10m station and PSK computer, but not on both.
However, for operators already having a fixed station capable of receiving UHF satellites, it is easy to add the capability to transmit on 10m, so perhaps more publicity is needed.
73,
Dani M0HXM/EA4GPZ.
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