Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:15:35 -0500 From: "Kevin Muenzler" kevin@eaglecreekobservatory.org To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO40 replacement !!! Message-ID: 003101cd8b81$ae8e3610$0baaa230$@org
I can understand that!
What I meant was that it could be launched as so many have been launched -- from the shuttle cargo bay. But, no more >shuttles...Mr. Obama gave them all away. :(
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Hello,
Nothing like an AO-40 discussion to liven up the mail list. Not to get into politics, but the above statement is incorrect.
Jan. 14, 2004, President Bush gave a speech on America's new vision for space exploration, In part he said...
"...The Shuttle's chief purpose over the next several years will be to help finish assembly of the International Space Station. In 2010, the Space Shuttle -- after nearly 30 years of duty -- will be retired from service..."
The shuttle last flight was July 8,2011, after the current administration approved the flight of STS-135, using the last flight ready SRB's and external tank.
Transcript of the speech can be found at:
http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/54868main_bush_trans.pdf
73 Armando, N8IGJ
Reading on a bit in that transcript...
"Our second goal is to develop and test a new spacecraft, the crew exploration vehicle, by 2008, and to conduct the first manned mission no later than 2014. The crew exploration vehicle will be capable of ferrying astronauts and scientists to the space station after the shuttle is retired. But the main purpose of this spacecraft will be to carry astronauts beyond our orbit to other worlds. This will be the first spacecraft of its kind since the Apollo command module. Our third goal is to return to the moon by 2020, as the launching point for missions beyond."
So where do we stand on those goals, and to whom is credit/blame placed?
This is almost fun ;)
Mark N8MH
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Armando Mercado am25544@triton.net wrote:
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:15:35 -0500 From: "Kevin Muenzler" kevin@eaglecreekobservatory.org To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO40 replacement !!! Message-ID: 003101cd8b81$ae8e3610$0baaa230$@org
I can understand that!
What I meant was that it could be launched as so many have been launched -- from the shuttle cargo bay. But, no more >shuttles...Mr. Obama gave them all away. :(
Hello,
Nothing like an AO-40 discussion to liven up the mail list. Not to get into politics, but the above statement is incorrect.
Jan. 14, 2004, President Bush gave a speech on America's new vision for space exploration, In part he said...
"...The Shuttle's chief purpose over the next several years will be to help finish assembly of the International Space Station. In 2010, the Space Shuttle -- after nearly 30 years of duty -- will be retired from service..."
The shuttle last flight was July 8,2011, after the current administration approved the flight of STS-135, using the last flight ready SRB's and external tank.
Transcript of the speech can be found at:
http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/54868main_bush_trans.pdf
73 Armando, N8IGJ
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Can you imagine a 34/94 repeater on the moon?
Kevin Muenzler, WB5RUE Grid EL09uf Eagle Creek Observatory http://www.eaglecreekobservatory.org I have not yet begun to procrastinate!
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Mark L. Hammond Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 4:02 PM To: Armando Mercado Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-40 Replacement
Reading on a bit in that transcript...
"Our second goal is to develop and test a new spacecraft, the crew exploration vehicle, by 2008, and to conduct the first manned mission no later than 2014. The crew exploration vehicle will be capable of ferrying astronauts and scientists to the space station after the shuttle is retired. But the main purpose of this spacecraft will be to carry astronauts beyond our orbit to other worlds. This will be the first spacecraft of its kind since the Apollo command module. Our third goal is to return to the moon by 2020, as the launching point for missions beyond."
So where do we stand on those goals, and to whom is credit/blame placed?
This is almost fun ;)
Mark N8MH
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Armando Mercado am25544@triton.net wrote:
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:15:35 -0500 From: "Kevin Muenzler" kevin@eaglecreekobservatory.org To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO40 replacement !!! Message-ID: 003101cd8b81$ae8e3610$0baaa230$@org
I can understand that!
What I meant was that it could be launched as so many have been launched -- from the shuttle cargo bay. But, no more >shuttles...Mr. Obama gave them all away. :(
Hello,
Nothing like an AO-40 discussion to liven up the mail list. Not to get into politics, but the above statement is incorrect.
Jan. 14, 2004, President Bush gave a speech on America's new vision for space exploration, In part he said...
"...The Shuttle's chief purpose over the next several years will be to help finish assembly of the International Space Station. In 2010, the Space Shuttle -- after nearly 30 years of duty -- will be retired from
service..."
The shuttle last flight was July 8,2011, after the current administration approved the flight of STS-135, using the last flight ready
SRB's and external tank.
Transcript of the speech can be found at:
http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/54868main_bush_trans.pdf
73 Armando, N8IGJ
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You would definitely want a PL tone. :)
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Muenzler Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 5:05 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-40 Replacement
Can you imagine a 34/94 repeater on the moon?
Kevin Muenzler, WB5RUE Grid EL09uf Eagle Creek Observatory http://www.eaglecreekobservatory.org I have not yet begun to procrastinate!
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Mark L. Hammond Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 4:02 PM To: Armando Mercado Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-40 Replacement
Reading on a bit in that transcript...
"Our second goal is to develop and test a new spacecraft, the crew exploration vehicle, by 2008, and to conduct the first manned mission no later than 2014. The crew exploration vehicle will be capable of ferrying astronauts and scientists to the space station after the shuttle is retired. But the main purpose of this spacecraft will be to carry astronauts beyond our orbit to other worlds. This will be the first spacecraft of its kind since the Apollo command module. Our third goal is to return to the moon by 2020, as the launching point for missions beyond."
So where do we stand on those goals, and to whom is credit/blame placed?
This is almost fun ;)
Mark N8MH
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Armando Mercado am25544@triton.net wrote:
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:15:35 -0500 From: "Kevin Muenzler" kevin@eaglecreekobservatory.org To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO40 replacement !!! Message-ID: 003101cd8b81$ae8e3610$0baaa230$@org
I can understand that!
What I meant was that it could be launched as so many have been launched -- from the shuttle cargo bay. But, no more >shuttles...Mr. Obama gave them all away. :(
Hello,
Nothing like an AO-40 discussion to liven up the mail list. Not to get into politics, but the above statement is incorrect.
Jan. 14, 2004, President Bush gave a speech on America's new vision for space exploration, In part he said...
"...The Shuttle's chief purpose over the next several years will be to help finish assembly of the International Space Station. In 2010, the Space Shuttle -- after nearly 30 years of duty -- will be retired from
service..."
The shuttle last flight was July 8,2011, after the current administration approved the flight of STS-135, using the last flight ready
SRB's and external tank.
Transcript of the speech can be found at:
http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/54868main_bush_trans.pdf
73 Armando, N8IGJ
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark L. Hammond" marklhammond@gmail.com To: "Armando Mercado" am25544@triton.net Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-40 Replacement
Reading on a bit in that transcript...
"Our second goal is to develop and test a new spacecraft, the crew exploration vehicle, by 2008, and to conduct the first manned mission no later than 2014. The crew exploration vehicle will be capable of ferrying astronauts and scientists to the space station after the shuttle is retired. But the main purpose of this spacecraft will be to carry astronauts beyond our orbit to other worlds. This will be the first spacecraft of its kind since the Apollo command module. Our third goal is to return to the moon by 2020, as the launching point for missions beyond."
So where do we stand on those goals, and to whom is credit/blame placed?
This is almost fun ;)
Mark N8MH
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Armando Mercado am25544@triton.net wrote:
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:15:35 -0500 From: "Kevin Muenzler" kevin@eaglecreekobservatory.org To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO40 replacement !!! Message-ID: 003101cd8b81$ae8e3610$0baaa230$@org
I can understand that!
What I meant was that it could be launched as so many have been launched -- from the shuttle cargo bay. But, no more >shuttles...Mr. Obama gave them all away. :(
Hello,
Nothing like an AO-40 discussion to liven up the mail list. Not to get into politics, but the above statement is incorrect.
Jan. 14, 2004, President Bush gave a speech on America's new vision for space exploration, In part he said...
"...The Shuttle's chief purpose over the next several years will be to help finish assembly of the International Space Station. In 2010, the Space Shuttle -- after nearly 30 years of duty -- will be retired from service..."
The shuttle last flight was July 8,2011, after the current administration approved the flight of STS-135, using the last flight ready SRB's and external tank.
Transcript of the speech can be found at:
http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/54868main_bush_trans.pdf
73 Armando, N8IGJ
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From AO-40 replacement to US space policy...
The Columbia Accident Investigation Board, (CAIB), determined that the shuttles were actually experimental vehicles being flown as if they were operational vehicles. The aging shuttles had so many design/architectural flaws that they could never be made "safe" fly. So the correct decision was to retire them.
Sadly, with 6+ years of advance notice the shuttle would retire, the US currently does not have a way to send astronauts into space (other than buying seats on the Soyuz).
The history of this predicament is long and tortured, but essentially comes down to flat budgets. NASA had to retire the shuttle to free up funds to develop a follow on vehicle. In the past several years, COTS, Commercial Off The Shelf, has shown great promise. SpaceX is probably the closest to having a manned capsule ready.
So, who get credit/blame..? It is said support for the space program is broad... a mile wide and an inch deep. Ultimately a disinterested public gets what it deserves.
73, Armando N8IGJ
...it was a joke...
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Armando Mercado Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:50 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-40 Replacement
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:15:35 -0500 From: "Kevin Muenzler" kevin@eaglecreekobservatory.org To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO40 replacement !!! Message-ID: 003101cd8b81$ae8e3610$0baaa230$@org
I can understand that!
What I meant was that it could be launched as so many have been launched -- from the shuttle cargo bay. But, no more >shuttles...Mr. Obama gave them all away. :(
-------------------
Hello,
Nothing like an AO-40 discussion to liven up the mail list. Not to get into politics, but the above statement is incorrect.
Jan. 14, 2004, President Bush gave a speech on America's new vision for space exploration, In part he said...
"...The Shuttle's chief purpose over the next several years will be to help finish assembly of the International Space Station. In 2010, the Space Shuttle -- after nearly 30 years of duty -- will be retired from service..."
The shuttle last flight was July 8,2011, after the current administration approved the flight of STS-135, using the last flight ready SRB's and external tank.
Transcript of the speech can be found at:
http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/54868main_bush_trans.pdf
73 Armando, N8IGJ
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