So, I have spent nearly four hours READING all that is publicly available including the blogs and myriad emails available here or referenced with linksfrom here. I'll go to the end of the story then back up. After reading all that is cited above, its clear to me that the two new board members have exaggerated greatly the degree of wrong doingon the part of the board. It also seems clear that the board agreed to spend 10k to defend themselves against potential legal action from these two board members who then turn around and claim thesemonies were spent irresponsibly (see the initial email regarding Leadership). These funds were spent, in the main, to seek advice on how to proceed, and to create new, formerly nonexistent AMSAT polices to guidefuture administrative conduct. This latter goal was apparently long over due and proprietous. However, its also clear the legal fees exceeded the initially authorized amount of 10k This overage is understandable, dealing with issues like this you tendto get tunnel vision trying to sort this all out and within a few days you run over the limit. I'm not even sure this overage is in any way improper Had it been 50k well, yes, but 4 or 5k is really not a major issue.Additionally, it seems, again from all the emails that no formal vote was held to authorize these additional monies. We're leftto conclude that casual conversations were had that authorized these funds. No one has said this that I could find, perhaps some clarity on that point would help? When the treasurer says no dues were used, I think that is misleading, the point of concern wasn't what pot the monies came from but instead thattheir were resources used that could have been used productively elsewhere had their been tighter supervision of the legal activity. Again, its easyto run over with lawyers and not realize it, this overage doesn't rise to the level or even close to it, of criminal behavior. Describing this overage inthose terms is disgraceful and reckless So, the board was initially off put by the blogs I read. That is not an unreasonable response. Could/should more dialogue have been engaged in? Why yes it should have. This absence of reported deep dive dialogue is troubling, but may or may not havelead to a different outcome. Regardless, more dialogue should have happened, the board's credibility would have been enhanced by trying to sort out what the new directors wanted. I fault the board for not doing this, or if they did, I didn't see it in these writings. I am left with the impression that the two board members are folks who thrive on confrontation while spinning, in these emailsup here, that they are really interested in "transparency" I am convinced this is not the case. I draw all my conclusions on the postings here and thelinks to other cites contained within, and the blogs found by the same means. I feel that Stoddard and Thomspson should resign immediately, for in reading all this, I feel they have exaggerated the degree of misconduct and caused considerableharm to the reputation of AMSAT in the process, as is evident from the emails and posting on this BBS. To the credit of Stoddard and Thompson, it appears that AMSAT has not been run, from an administrative side of things, in a professional manner. Missing HR policiesand no evidence I can find of consultation with business leaders on how to operate a complex organization, is deeply bothersome. Further, an outside review is totally appropriate here. Consider, that had their been policies in place before all of this happened, lawyers would not have been needed.What OTHER policies are missing? What procedures are in place to audit the organization? Are the books reviewed by an outside CPA for instance?The credibility of AMSAT needs to be bolstered and having an expert consultant come in and review all of these potential areas is apparently way over due. That AMSAT lacks proper HR policies after this many years in business is deeply troubling and suggests a more professional operating standard is desperately needed here.
Before you pontificate or provide character references for the current board you have an obligation to READ all this stuff, its wearisome, tedious and takes a long time.I read it, YOU should read it BEFORE you go off and make draconian statements. .
PeterW2PPLife Member
Peter,
That's a pretty good assessment of what went on from everything I've seen so far.
However, I disagree about the severity of the financial issues! I don't know what the AMSAT-NA budget is, in reality, 4 or 5 dollars may not seem like a big amount but when it is misappropriated it is still a crime and someone needs to be made aware of the situation. We aren't talking 4 or 5 dollars here we're talking about 4 or 5 THOUSAND Dollars(or more) and that IS NOT TRIVIAL - it is a major FELONY and needs to be addressed for anyone to have confidence in AMSAT-NA's operations going forward.
My personal assessment of this at this point in time is along the lines of the "good ole boy network" in charge doesn't like being caught making questionable expenditures to the point that one of them felt it necessary to RESIGN when all this came up. That suggests that something fishy is going on and this all needs to be investigated by a 3rd party and if necessary criminal charges need to be pursued against the responsible parties.
On a slightly different related note - if the AMSAT-NA board is only meeting once a year, how the hell is anything getting done???
If the incumbent board members are not willing to address these SERIOUS issues - they should step down and let someone that will, take over!!
Trust me, it's NOT fun to remove a board member that is embezzling funds, BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE REGARDLESS!!!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
Jeff: I am puzzled by the issue of crimes here? No one embezzled monies or at least no claim of that exists that I have read.Poor oversight, well a good case for that could be made, but these other allegations are to much. Putting some serious resources to an outside consultant firm like deloitte and touche
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to come in, do a top to bottom evaluation of the functioning of the organization would be money well spent in the long run. Might be 75k, but without a doubt the organization would be more stable and accountable. Proper on boarding training of board members seemsto be long hanging fruit. The current board has members who've got serious connections to the aerospace industry. Highly valued I would say,but that doesn't mean they are qualified to run a business. What would help tremendously here would be to find folks to beon the board with serious business expertise, and use the current human resources in a far more effective way than it appearsthey are being used. Peter
On Monday, July 13, 2020, 07:30:36 PM EDT, Jeff Moore tnetcenter@gmail.com wrote:
Peter, That's a pretty good assessment of what went on from everything I've seen so far. However, I disagree about the severity of the financial issues! I don't know what the AMSAT-NA budget is, in reality, 4 or 5 dollars may not seem like a big amount but when it is misappropriated it is still a crime and someone needs to be made aware of the situation. We aren't talking 4 or 5 dollars here we're talking about 4 or 5 THOUSAND Dollars(or more) and that IS NOT TRIVIAL - it is a major FELONY and needs to be addressed for anyone to have confidence in AMSAT-NA's operations going forward. My personal assessment of this at this point in time is along the lines of the "good ole boy network" in charge doesn't like being caught making questionable expenditures to the point that one of them felt it necessary to RESIGN when all this came up. That suggests that something fishy is going on and this all needs to be investigated by a 3rd party and if necessary criminal charges need to be pursued against the responsible parties. On a slightly different related note - if the AMSAT-NA board is only meeting once a year, how the hell is anything getting done??? If the incumbent board members are not willing to address these SERIOUS issues - they should step down and let someone that will, take over!! Trust me, it's NOT fun to remove a board member that is embezzling funds, BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE REGARDLESS!!!
7 3Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
I've noted some peculiar posts regarding the responsibilities of a Board of Directors lately. I've been on many boards in my career most of very large organizations and have not seen beforeverbiage as posted here. A board of directors is responsible for setting the mission, vision and values of an organization.The board approves a budget set by senior leadersThe board sets the vision for the next year or multiple years and the priorities of the organization.The board holds senior leadership accountable for executing all of the above. What a board does NOT do is engage in operational activity of ANY kind. That sort of behavioris incredibly disruptive and damaging to the senior leaders responsible for execution of all the above. When you vote, consider these foundational principles. Choose candidates not based on theirtechnical backgrounds as that talent isn't necessarily helpful at the board level, but instead ona candidate who can inspire, collaborate and can serve as a leader, not necessarily an operationalexpert. In fact, candidates who promote technical expertise may find it irresistible to intervene in day to dayoperations causing confusion among the senior leadership. Their are clearly some very talented candidates with significant technical expertise. These individualsare a treasure to the organization and must have their energies nurtured in a way to productively movethe organization forward. I hope you all will ponder this as you prepare to vote. PeterW2PP
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