Has anyone made a satellite QSO with an orbiting ISS astronaut?
Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
Regards, Douglas KA2UPW/5
Sure. https://youtu.be/h73EYcyszf8 is one example from the "other side"
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Thousands of school kids have.
Steve AI9IN
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Yes, I have right after Hurricane Rita...and with MIR cosmonaut too!73GeorgeWA5KBH
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Quoting from a webpage [1] I setup:
"While it’s technically possible to talk to astronauts and cosmonauts using ham radio, the problem is they don’t get on the radio very often to make random contacts.
With that said, receiving them can be good practice for ultimately talking to them, and it’s fun on its own.
I recommend monitoring ariss.org for upcoming school contacts in your area which happen frequently. You can try and listen to them on the downlink at 145.800 MHz FM.
The best way to find out when they’re happening though is to subscribe to the amsat-bb mailing list and looking for messages like these: http://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2016-April/057983.html
You can subscribe here: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
In my experience the notifications go out to amsat-bb before anywhere else, and sometimes ariss.org isn’t updated with the latest info on contacts. I’m not certain that’s still the case, because I rarely use it, but I know the amsat-bb emails are consistent.
After the emails go out the @ARISS_Status https://twitter.com/ariss_status Twitter account is updated and then the ARISS Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/Amateur-Radio-on-the-International-Space-Station-ARISS-153679794647788 is updated. So if email isn’t your thing and you don’t mind social media, you can check those accounts. Even better would be to enable mobile Twitter notifications on the @ARISS_Status https://twitter.com/ariss_status account. I’m not sure if you can do something similar with Facebook.
73,
John KG4AKV"
1) https://spacecomms.wordpress.com/how-to-talk-to-astronauts/
On Dec 21, 2017 10:08 AM, skristof@etczone.com wrote:
Thousands of school kids have.
Steve AI9IN
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astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
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There was a bunch on Field Day 2014.
https://www.dropbox.com/preview/NA1SS_field_day2140UTC.mp3?role=personal
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I think you all missed the point of Douglas' question which I think is "Do the astronauts ever talk *ON AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITES*. We know they talk direct to the ground on occasion.
73,
Burns W2BFJ
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There was a bunch on Field Day 2014.
https://www.dropbox.com/preview/NA1SS_field_day2140UTC.mp3?role=personal
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Oops. I did miss that. That would be cool too. Does them talking on their own crossband repeater count? I think they have done that. Certainly some of the Kenwood radios they have had allow for it.
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Dec 21, 2017 10:23 AM, "Burns Fisher" burns@fisher.cc wrote:
I think you all missed the point of Douglas' question which I think is "Do the astronauts ever talk *ON AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITES*. We know they talk direct to the ground on occasion.
73,
Burns W2BFJ
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There was a bunch on Field Day 2014.
https://www.dropbox.com/preview/NA1SS_field_day2140UTC.mp3?role=personal
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I’ve spoken to a ham/astronaut on the space shuttle and also ISS. Was fun. But was me(ground) direct to them.
myles Landstein myles.landstein@gmail.com
On Dec 21, 2017, at 10:28 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Oops. I did miss that. That would be cool too. Does them talking on their own crossband repeater count? I think they have done that. Certainly some of the Kenwood radios they have had allow for it.
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Dec 21, 2017 10:23 AM, "Burns Fisher" burns@fisher.cc wrote:
I think you all missed the point of Douglas' question which I think is "Do the astronauts ever talk *ON AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITES*. We know they talk direct to the ground on occasion.
73,
Burns W2BFJ
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There was a bunch on Field Day 2014.
https://www.dropbox.com/preview/NA1SS_field_day2140UTC.mp3?role=personal
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Friends, Having hosted an ARISS contact myself earlier this year, I am well aware of direct contacts between the astronauts and someone on the ground.
The relevant part of the question was the part about the QSO being *THROUGH an AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITE TRANSPONDER*.
If you are aware of a success (or a failed attempt) I would be interested in knowing which astronaut and which amateur radio satellite was used.
Lastly, does anyone have a technical references for correcting calculating the Doppler for a QSO from ISS through a satellite to the ground? (And no, you can't just change the tracking program's ground station latitude/longitude every second to match the ISS satellite subpoint.)
Thanks and 73, Douglas KA2UPW/5
Hopefully someone from ARISS will chime in if I am wrong, but I believe that the astronauts are only allowed to use frequencies that have been pre-approved and ground-tested for safety with the ISS subsytems.
Also, you would only have to correct for the doppler shift of the satellite you are listening/transmitting to. The ISS would have to correct for the doppler on their end.
George, KA3HSW
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Friends, Having hosted an ARISS contact myself earlier this year, I am well aware of direct contacts between the astronauts and someone on the ground.
The relevant part of the question was the part about the QSO being *THROUGH an AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITE TRANSPONDER*.
If you are aware of a success (or a failed attempt) I would be interested in knowing which astronaut and which amateur radio satellite was used.
Lastly, does anyone have a technical references for correcting calculating the Doppler for a QSO from ISS through a satellite to the ground? (And no, you can't just change the tracking program's ground station latitude/longitude every second to match the ISS satellite subpoint.)
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George, ISS has specific amateur frequencies they have setup to operate on. Voice channels below are from the ISS Fan Club page for voice comms. Of course during SSTV events they are heard on 145.800 and APRS on 145.825. The ISS repeater UHF uplink and 145.800 downlink was active on an alternate UHF uplink for a while a couple months ago mainly for experimentation with two satellite that were launched to relay their signals on the VHF downlink. I a few stations made contacts through it when it was on, myself included. It is always worth checking both 145.800 and 145.825 on a pass over your QTH. I had a quick QSO with Mike Foale a few years ago by doing that and just happened to catch him on the voice channel. On the VHF channels there is no need to adjust for Doppler. It would be nice to see the astronauts on the voice channel more. I know the last couple of years they have not been active during Field Day. Amateur Radio Frequencies (Note: Only one mode active at a time) FM VOICE for ITU Region 1: Europe-Middle East-Africa-North Asia - Downlink 145.800 - Uplink 145.200 FM VOICE for ITU Region 2&3: North and South America-Caribbean-Greenland-Australia-South Asia - Downlink 145.800 - Uplink 144.490
73, Scott, KA7FVV President - KBARA www.kbara.org Co-Owner WA7DRE 443.525 System Fusion Repeater http://www.ka7fvv.net
On Thursday, December 21, 2017, 10:38:35 AM PST, George Henry ka3hsw@att.net wrote:
Hopefully someone from ARISS will chime in if I am wrong, but I believe that the astronauts are only allowed to use frequencies that have been pre-approved and ground-tested for safety with the ISS subsytems.
Also, you would only have to correct for the doppler shift of the satellite you are listening/transmitting to. The ISS would have to correct for the doppler on their end.
George, KA3HSW
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Friends, Having hosted an ARISS contact myself earlier this year, I am well aware of direct contacts between the astronauts and someone on the ground.
The relevant part of the question was the part about the QSO being *THROUGH an AMATEUR RADIO SATELLITE TRANSPONDER*.
If you are aware of a success (or a failed attempt) I would be interested in knowing which astronaut and which amateur radio satellite was used.
Lastly, does anyone have a technical references for correcting calculating the Doppler for a QSO from ISS through a satellite to the ground? (And no, you can't just change the tracking program's ground station latitude/longitude every second to match the ISS satellite subpoint.)
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If you mean has anyone had a qso with astronaut? Yes. Among others, I'm one of them. Andre Kuipers work hams at May 2012 on FM. Within two years, I have entertain myself with packet Ax25 messages to others keyboard operators via ISS digipeater.
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On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH kb1pvh@gmail.com wrote:
There was a bunch on Field Day 2014.
https://www.dropbox.com/preview/NA1SS_field_day2140UTC.mp3?role=personal
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At 08:35 AM 12/21/2017 -0600, you wrote:
Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
Regards, Douglas KA2UPW/5
Yes, and also a number of space shuttles, and Russian Mir. KB7ADL
Ken Ransom might recall more details, but it was tried with AO-51 and I think the astronaut was Doug Wheelock. If I recall correctly he heard the satellite, and was heard through the satellite, but no QSOs were completed. The Doppler is "interesting" as you can imagine. AO-91 would be a good candidate for a repeat attempt.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
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Douglas,
No, this hasn't happened - but not from a lack of trying.
In 2006, at the very end of Bill McArthur's ISS tour, there was an effort to see if Bill could make a QSO via AO-51. Bill had already completed WAS, WAC, and DXCC working hams around the world, and this was considered the last big thing he could do from the ISS radio. Time was tight, and probably the biggest reason why this didn't work. Instructions were sent up to the ISS, and stations were recruited on the ground in locations compatible with both available AO-51 passes and Bill's available time. Bill was heard through AO-51, but no QSOs were made.
I am not aware if there have been other attempts since 2006 for an ISS crewmember to work an amateur satellite from the ISS. Maybe if Doug Wheelock can get another ISS tour, this could be tried again.
IIRC crewmembers that used the ISS cross-band repeater to work stations on the ground are not using a different radio to work through the ISS repeater. Since the cross-band repeater was a function of the Kenwood dual-band mobile transceivers, the crews would use the microphone and speaker on that radio to work stations. Really no different than if the cross-band repeater function on those radios is turned off, or if the crews used the GE/Ericsson HTs to work stations.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Douglas Quagliana dquagliana@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
Regards, Douglas KA2UPW/5
During the SAREX days we coordinated a QSO between the Shuttle and MIR on 2 meters. It was a bit involved due to Doppler and choosing a window on the Shuttle for the antenna, but it did work. Operating via a VHF/UHF FM Hamsat would be more involved, but could certainly work with the external antenna on ISS and a satellite like AO-91. Complete frequency calculations would be needed for the ISS astronaut.
Andy W5ACM
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Douglas,
No, this hasn't happened - but not from a lack of trying.
In 2006, at the very end of Bill McArthur's ISS tour, there was an effort to see if Bill could make a QSO via AO-51. Bill had already completed WAS, WAC, and DXCC working hams around the world, and this was considered the last big thing he could do from the ISS radio. Time was tight, and probably the biggest reason why this didn't work. Instructions were sent up to the ISS, and stations were recruited on the ground in locations compatible with both available AO-51 passes and Bill's available time. Bill was heard through AO-51, but no QSOs were made.
I am not aware if there have been other attempts since 2006 for an ISS crewmember to work an amateur satellite from the ISS. Maybe if Doug Wheelock can get another ISS tour, this could be tried again.
IIRC crewmembers that used the ISS cross-band repeater to work stations on the ground are not using a different radio to work through the ISS repeater. Since the cross-band repeater was a function of the Kenwood dual-band mobile transceivers, the crews would use the microphone and speaker on that radio to work stations. Really no different than if the cross-band repeater function on those radios is turned off, or if the crews used the GE/Ericsson HTs to work stations.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Douglas Quagliana dquagliana@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
Regards, Douglas KA2UPW/5
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On 22/12/17 00:35, Douglas Quagliana wrote:
Has anyone ever had a successful two-way QSO with an orbiting ISS astronaut through an amateur radio satellite transponder?
Yes, twice.
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