Simple, visit www.kiwisat.org and learn of the extreme difficulties ITAR imposes on our project.

We may use soft words but the effect has been devastating, setting our efforts back by years. Search the archives to see that AMSAT-NA has ordered its USA members to cease co-operating with us!

And before anyone reacts, we are having meaningful discussions with AMSAT-NA, and the solutions are to hand, provided one of our generous members wins the Lottery!

Terry.

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In a message dated 06/10/2009 04:49:14 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

Bob...why dont you give us an example of where ITAR has been disadvantageous to the Amateur Satellite community

Robert WB5MZO

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I am busy, on the road and just now reading your question.

We've had people pull out of projects between AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-NA on P3E, for example, due to fear of the consequences of dealing with ITAR. We have had a member of the "AMSAT family" `tarred and feathered' by State for interactions between the member and a non-US friendly (to AMSAT-NA) satellite building entity. We have had AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-UK both refuse to enter into a technical assistance agreement with AMSAT-NA until and unless it was modified in a way that would have been unacceptable to the state department. The terms are completely and utterly ridiculous for amateur radio and I support their stance ONE HUNDRED per cent. They had no business signing a document that bound them to U.S. laws as if they were U.S. citizens to build amateur radio satellites.

Until and unless the current activities of AMSAT-NA management and the attorney's they have hired succeed, there will not be a lot of friendly amateur banter about the designing of things dealing with satellites. You cannot do engineering of our satellites through paper publications. You have to be able to interact, answer questions on the spot, huddle over a computer and "be friends" with the people on the other side. It has killed out ability to operate freely with our friends.

Bob N4HY

Rocky Jones wrote:

dont like simple questions?

Robert WB5MZO

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 03:16:45 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Understanding ITAR

In a message dated 06/10/2009 04:49:14 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

Bob...why dont you give us an example of where ITAR has been disadvantageous to the Amateur Satellite community

Robert WB5MZO

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