Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 Frequencies.
I don't have a lot of success on it because I don't have enough power, but here is where I got my info: http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=4690 73 John
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Today's Topics:
- Orbitron, (Joe)
- Re: Orbitron, (Pedro Converso)
- Re: Orbitron, (Joe)
- Re: Orbitron, (Armand SP3QFE)
- Re: Orbitron, (Norm n3ykf)
- Re: AO-07 Mode B switched off at 20170404 19:28 UTC (Gabriel Zeifman)
- AO-85 Question (R.T.Liddy)
- Re: AO-85 Question (Matthew Stevens)
- Re: AO-85 Question (R.T.Liddy)
- Re: AO-85 Question (JoAnne K9JKM)
- IC-2730A: Full-Duplex, Odd-Splits, SatPC32? (Ken M)
- Re: IC-2730A: Full-Duplex, Odd-Splits, SatPC32? (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 09:42:59 -0500 From: Joe [email protected] To: amsat-bb [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Orbitron, Message-ID: [email protected] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
UG I Like this program a lot. the ability to predict future passes is cool BUT... I started it today to do a NO-84 pass that was coming up, and it's been a while so it said to Up-Date the TLE's.
Sure I did it as someone told me How to do. But when i got into the area that you download at, there was no longer this list of like 30 that it would download, only one was there, for a nasabare file just that one file only.
I grabbed it anyway,
But it's not any good, because it did not agree with any other software's, and or web pages for the up-coming pass.
Is there a way to do a like return to factory default downloads of like it did before of like 20+ files?
Joe WB9SBD
Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:32:18 -0300 From: Pedro Converso [email protected] To: Joe [email protected] Cc: amsat-bb [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Orbitron, Message-ID: < CANTZqKnyxFPt5JaCWgO4b3cV4RjNXvU75XmhOD4YMqk2ejoD7Q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hello Joe,
I have same situation with Orbitron.
You can try http://amsat.org.ar/pass as alternative, as it renew automatically keps several times a day.
These updated keps can be downloaded/seen at http://amsat.org.ar/keps.txt
73, lu7abf, Pedro
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Joe [email protected] wrote:
UG I Like this program a lot. the ability to predict future passes is
cool
BUT... I started it today to do a NO-84 pass that was coming up, and it's been a while so it said to Up-Date the TLE's.
Sure I did it as someone told me How to do. But when i got into the area that you download at, there was no longer this list of like 30 that it would download, only one was there, for a nasabare file just that one
file
only.
I grabbed it anyway,
But it's not any good, because it did not agree with any other
software's,
and or web pages for the up-coming pass.
Is there a way to do a like return to factory default downloads of like
it
did before of like 20+ files?
Joe WB9SBD
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Message: 3 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 10:44:57 -0500 From: Joe [email protected] To: Pedro Converso [email protected] Cc: amsat-bb [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Orbitron, Message-ID: [email protected] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Thanks Pedro,
And I fixed it, or at least I remembered how to make it work right at least on a Windows 10 machine here.
If I right click on the ICON, and choose "Run as administrator" Then the whole BIG list appears, I download, and now orbitron matches the other programs and web pages again.
Try that.
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 4/9/2017 10:32 AM, Pedro Converso wrote:
Hello Joe,
I have same situation with Orbitron.
You can try http://amsat.org.ar/pass as alternative, as it renew automatically keps several times a day.
These updated keps can be downloaded/seen at
73, lu7abf, Pedro
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Joe <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
UG I Like this program a lot. the ability to predict future passes is cool BUT... I started it today to do a NO-84 pass that was coming up, and it's been a while so it said to Up-Date the TLE's. Sure I did it as someone told me How to do. But when i got into the area that you download at, there was no longer this list of like 30 that it would download, only one was there, for a nasabare file just that one file only. I grabbed it anyway, But it's not any good, because it did not agree with any other software's, and or web pages for the up-coming pass. Is there a way to do a like return to factory default downloads of like it did before of like 20+ files? Joe WB9SBD -- Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb>
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2017 20:48:53 +0200 From: Armand SP3QFE [email protected] To: Joe [email protected] Cc: amsat-bb [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Orbitron, Message-ID: [email protected] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Hello Everybody,
Here you are you can download the Orbitron: http://www.stoff.pl/
a) Update process: Left Alt + F5 Chose Tab TLE updater (Left Alt + L). Then select right Group, eg.: www.celestrak.com - I have done it many times since a few month. There are only four files: amateur.txt, iridium.txt, tle-new.txt and visual.txt. After that, press button on the top of this tab - the first from the right (Earth with the thunder). Update process should start. At the end click OK. And close setup window (OK).
b) Now check the date of update. Select some satellite (eg. the ISS). Then select tab: "Sat/Orbit info" and check line with Epoch (UTC). There should be date from today or yesterday eg. for ISS from today is (right now): 2017-04-08 20:39:01
c) if the update is wrong, you should start Orbitron with administrator permission, or select another location of the TLE data (in the user folder). You can do it in Setup widnow (Left Alt + F5) and tab Miscellaneous (Left Alt + M) area Personalization.
Good luck!
73, Armand SP3QFE
On 2017-04-09 17:44, Joe wrote:
Thanks Pedro,
And I fixed it, or at least I remembered how to make it work right at least on a Windows 10 machine here.
If I right click on the ICON, and choose "Run as administrator" Then the whole BIG list appears, I download, and now orbitron matches the other programs and web pages again.
Try that.
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 4/9/2017 10:32 AM, Pedro Converso wrote:
Hello Joe,
I have same situation with Orbitron.
You can try http://amsat.org.ar/pass as alternative, as it renew automatically keps several times a day.
These updated keps can be downloaded/seen at http://amsat.org.ar/keps.txt
73, lu7abf, Pedro
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Joe <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
UG I Like this program a lot. the ability to predict future passes is cool BUT... I started it today to do a NO-84 pass that was coming up, and it's been a while so it said to Up-Date the TLE's. Sure I did it as someone told me How to do. But when i got into the area that you download at, there was no longer this list of like 30 that it would download, only one was there, for a nasabare file just that one file only. I grabbed it anyway, But it's not any good, because it did not agree with any other software's, and or web pages for the up-coming pass. Is there a way to do a like return to factory default downloads of like it did before of like 20+ files? Joe WB9SBD -- Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb>
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 15:23:49 -0400 From: Norm n3ykf [email protected] To: amsat-bb [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Orbitron, Message-ID: <CAJUhCTPS9OsVwo97D7= [email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I use W9KE's tle tools. It will store a copy of the TLE's returned to locations specified in the setup. I.E. Satpc32, Orbitron, PSTrotator, etc..
Keeps all the TLE's updated. One click, no mess...
Norm n3ykf
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Armand SP3QFE [email protected] wrote:
Hello Everybody,
Here you are you can download the Orbitron: http://www.stoff.pl/
a) Update process: Left Alt + F5 Chose Tab TLE updater (Left Alt + L). Then select right Group, eg.: www.celestrak.com - I have done it many
times
since a few month. There are only four files: amateur.txt, iridium.txt, tle-new.txt and visual.txt. After that, press button on the top of this tab - the first from the
right
(Earth with the thunder). Update process should start. At the end click OK. And close setup window (OK).
b) Now check the date of update. Select some satellite (eg. the ISS). Then select tab: "Sat/Orbit info" and check line with Epoch (UTC). There should be date from today or yesterday eg. for ISS from today is (right now): 2017-04-08 20:39:01
c) if the update is wrong, you should start Orbitron with administrator permission, or select another location of the TLE data (in the user
folder).
You can do it in Setup widnow (Left Alt + F5) and tab Miscellaneous (Left Alt + M) area Personalization.
Good luck!
73, Armand SP3QFE
On 2017-04-09 17:44, Joe wrote:
Thanks Pedro,
And I fixed it, or at least I remembered how to make it work right at least on a Windows 10 machine here.
If I right click on the ICON, and choose "Run as administrator" Then the whole BIG list appears, I download, and now orbitron matches the other programs and web pages again.
Try that.
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 4/9/2017 10:32 AM, Pedro Converso wrote:
Hello Joe,
I have same situation with Orbitron.
You can try http://amsat.org.ar/pass as alternative, as it renew automatically keps several times a day.
These updated keps can be downloaded/seen at
73, lu7abf, Pedro
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Joe <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]
wrote:
UG I Like this program a lot. the ability to predict future passes is cool BUT... I started it today to do a NO-84 pass that was coming up, and it's been a while so it said to Up-Date the TLE's. Sure I did it as someone told me How to do. But when i got into the area that you download at, there was no longer this list of like 30 that it would download, only one was there, for a nasabare file just that one file only. I grabbed it anyway, But it's not any good, because it did not agree with any other software's, and or web pages for the up-coming pass. Is there a way to do a like return to factory default downloads of like it did before of like 20+ files? Joe WB9SBD -- Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb>
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Message: 6 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 16:18:29 -0500 From: Gabriel Zeifman [email protected] To: "Bill Bordy, NJ1H" [email protected] Cc: AMSAT Mailing List [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-07 Mode B switched off at 20170404 19:28 UTC Message-ID: [email protected] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Several QRO stations using extremely excessive power were heard on the previous pass of AO-7 causing it to flip to mode A. God bless AMSAT-UK for launching UKube-1 which allowed me to still give out the ultra-rare grid line DO92/93 to many stations as CG6NJH.
If you're running more than 5W, you're probably doing it wrong, 73
Gabe NJ7H/VE6NJH
On Apr 4, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Bill Bordy, NJ1H [email protected] wrote:
As has been reported before, excess power to AO-07 can cause a reset of
the transponder. While monitoring AO-07 today, I heard it switch off during a QSO in process. Power should be reduced to the minimum required to hear your downlink.
On the previous pass of the satellite while it was out over the
Atlantic, I called CQ on SSB throughout the pass without resetting the transponder. Unfortunately, no other stations were heard on the satellite. I was using a panadapter to monitor the full pass band.
73, Bill NJ1H
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Message: 7 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 02:20:26 +0000 (UTC) From: "R.T.Liddy" [email protected] To: AMSAT BB [email protected], Starcom [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Question Message-ID: [email protected] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I've seen some commentary about the best freqs to use for AO-85. What should I program for UP & Down for that Satellite?
TNX, Bob K8BL
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 22:31:18 -0400 From: Matthew Stevens [email protected] To: "R.T.Liddy" [email protected], "Keith O'Brien via AMSAT-BB" [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Question Message-ID: <CAN8zKtSM8rNpD+dQ4x3MOc_FLep+Hz9O-u4e1d0j= [email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
At TCA up is 435.170, down 145.980.
So accounting for doppler with 5khz steps, 435.160 at AOS, 435.165 halfway to TCA, 435.170 at TCA, 435.175 halfway to LOS, and 435.180 approaching LOS.
I also find it necessary at times to tune the downlink to 145.975 after TCA, although not always. Just depends on the pass.
73,
- Matthew
? kk4fem?
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:20 PM, R.T.Liddy [email protected] wrote:
I've seen some commentary about the best freqs to use for AO-85. What should I program for UP & Down for that Satellite?
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Message: 9 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 03:16:31 +0000 (UTC) From: "R.T.Liddy" [email protected] To: Matthew Stevens [email protected], Keith O'Brien via AMSAT-BB [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Question Message-ID: [email protected] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Matthew, OK, thanks for the info. I'll set my Memories for 435.160 up and 145.980 down. They aretunable on my IC-820, so I can adjust each on the fly to accountfor Doppler. TNX/73, ? ? Bob ?K8BL
From: Matthew Stevens <[email protected]>To: R.T.Liddy [email protected]; Keith O'Brien via AMSAT-BB < [email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Question
At TCA up is 435.170, down 145.980.
So accounting for doppler with 5khz steps, 435.160 at AOS, 435.165 halfway to TCA, 435.170 at TCA, 435.175 halfway to LOS, and 435.180 approaching LOS.
I also find it necessary at times to tune the downlink to 145.975 after TCA, although not always. Just depends on the pass.
73,
- Matthew? kk4fem?
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:20 PM, R.T.Liddy [email protected] wrote:
I've seen some commentary about the best freqs to use for AO-85. What should I program for UP & Down for that Satellite?
TNX,? ? Bob? K8BL ______________________________ _________________ Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/ listinfo/amsat-bb
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 07:43:03 -0500 From: JoAnne K9JKM [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Question Message-ID: [email protected] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
The Fox-1A /AO-85 operating guide at http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=2144 includes the frequencies in a table with five steps for Doppler correction from AOS to TCA to LOS. It is a PDF file.
On 4/9/2017 10:16 PM, R.T.Liddy wrote:
Matthew, OK, thanks for the info. I'll set my Memories for 435.160 up and 145.980 down. They aretunable on
my IC-820, so I can adjust each on the fly to accountfor Doppler.
TNX/73, Bob K8BL
From: Matthew Stevens <[email protected]>To: R.T.Liddy [email protected]; Keith O'Brien via AMSAT-BB <
Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-85 Question
At TCA up is 435.170, down 145.980.
So accounting for doppler with 5khz steps, 435.160 at AOS, 435.165
halfway to TCA, 435.170 at TCA, 435.175 halfway to LOS, and 435.180 approaching LOS.
I also find it necessary at times to tune the downlink to 145.975 after
TCA, although not always. Just depends on the pass.
73,
- Matthew? kk4fem?
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:20 PM, R.T.Liddy [email protected] wrote:
I've seen some commentary about the best freqs to use for AO-85. What should I program for UP & Down for that Satellite?
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-- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM [email protected]
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:32:53 +0000 From: Ken M [email protected] To: AMSAT -BB [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-2730A: Full-Duplex, Odd-Splits, SatPC32? Message-ID: < CY1PR0101MB10507113B2D650BD030DD2CA98010@CY1PR0101MB1050.prod.exchangelabs.com
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Hello all,
I'm looking for a mobile radio that, among other things, will work well for FM satellites. I'm familiar with the Kenwood and Yaesu products, but I'm interested in the ICOM IC-2730A. I've found it difficult to get definitive opinions on these points:
- Does it support true full-duplex operation? (It supports
"simultaneous receive", but is it full-duplex?)
- Can you program memory locations with odd-splits? (It looks to me
like it doesn't.)
- Can it be controlled by SatPC32? (It does support ICOM's CI-V
protocol, so I think a basic level of control might be possible.)
As an aside, if I don't end up with the IC-2730A, I will likely get the Yaesu FT-8900R - a much older design - but for sure does full-duplex and odd-splits (although no control protocol).
Thanks & 73, Ken VA7KBM
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 15:33:27 -0700 From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" [email protected] To: Ken M [email protected], "[email protected]" [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-2730A: Full-Duplex, Odd-Splits, SatPC32? Message-ID: < CAN6TEUe11QSAv0E7bGA2a1w-GjSO2YSedciUV3sfOkoYRmCA8A@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
?Ken,
I have had an IC-2730A for almost a year. Nice radio for FM satellite work. Answering your questions...
- Yes, it supports true full-duplex operation. Put the
uplink and downlink in the two VFOs, and adjust the squelch and volume so you only hear the downlink VFO. Set PL tones as needed in the uplink VFO, and - if not using memory channels - confirm the tuning step is 5 kHz. You can also use narrow FM, should you decide to use that in either VFO (or both VFOs) when working AO-85.
- No, you cannot program memory channels to handle odd
splits where the transmit and receive frequencies are in different bands. You can program a receive frequency and the size/direction of an offset for a memory, but this requires both frequencies to fall within the same band. This is, unfortunately, a common "feature" with Icom radios made in at least the past 15 to 20 years. With access to both VFOs, including the separate knobs for each VFO, you don't have to flip-flop which VFO is the "main" VFO, or use function keys to go between the VFOs whenever you want to change something.
- Other than a quick scan through the PDF manual, I have
never looked into any CI-V functionality with this radio. I see CI-V settings listed for the radio, but that's probably as far as I will go with that. Manually adjusting the VFOs isn't difficult with this radio, given the separate controls for each VFO. I don't see any accessories listed that relate to CI-V in the manual; just the cloning cables and extension cables for the faceplate and microphone.
The IC-2730A does not include a DATA port for 9600bps data. I think Icom was trying to keep this radio as a lower-cost 2m/70cm FM mobile, yet offering that and other options in the more expensive D-Star capable mobiles. Other than how Icom chose not to include a mobile mounting bracket and the kit to mount the faceplate directly to the radio "box", I like this radio.
Good luck, and 73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Ken M [email protected] wrote:
Hello all,
I'm looking for a mobile radio that, among other things, will work well for FM satellites. I'm familiar with the Kenwood and Yaesu products, but I'm interested in the ICOM IC-2730A. I've found it difficult to get definitive opinions on these points:
- Does it support true full-duplex operation? (It supports
"simultaneous receive", but is it full-duplex?)
- Can you program memory locations with odd-splits? (It looks to me
like it doesn't.)
- Can it be controlled by SatPC32? (It does support ICOM's CI-V
protocol, so I think a basic level of control might be possible.)
As an aside, if I don't end up with the IC-2730A, I will likely get the Yaesu FT-8900R - a much older design - but for sure does full-duplex and odd-splits (although no control protocol).
Thanks & 73, Ken VA7KBM
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