Right on Bob, I could not have said it better. Alltho it is the same few that don't do anything but complain. Wonder how much they have contributed or done to help the cause. I am 80 years old and know that ignoring them is the best way to treat them, but sometimes they just go too far. The best to those who are doing something to further the program of Amsat. What other group is doing anything? 73 de Ken W7KBM. Amsat # 10217