Control Operator Clarification

k6vug＠sbcglobal.net

17 Jul 2019 17 Jul '19

6:47 p.m.

Greetings, Sometimes I have kids and would-be-hams watching me wide-eyed work the FM sats and I wished I could get some of them on the pass too.

So the question is, is it legal to allow them do it with me as the control operator handling the PTT ? on a not-so-busy pass, of course !

Thanks and 73, Umesh, k6vug

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Jeff Johns

17 Jul 17 Jul

6:51 p.m.

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Yes! It’s totally legal. My 7 year old who is studying for her Tech license has made contacts on FM birds as well as linears such as AO-7. She either uses my call or her sister’s call and we act as control ops. Get those kiddos on the air. If you ever want to set up a sked with some YLs here, just let us know.

Jeff WE4B

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On Jul 17, 2019, at 1:47 PM, k6vug--- via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:

Greetings, Sometimes I have kids and would-be-hams watching me wide-eyed work the FM sats and I wished I could get some of them on the pass too.

So the question is, is it legal to allow them do it with me as the control operator handling the PTT ? on a not-so-busy pass, of course !

Thanks and 73, Umesh, k6vug

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jim＠k6ccc.org

7:06 p.m.

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For the most part, yes. If it's a domestic contact, you are good to go. If it's an international contact, there has to be a Third Party Operating Agreement with that country. There is a list of countries on this page: http://www.arrl.org/third-party-operating-agreements Note that what countries are or are not on the list may surprise you in some cases. For example: Cuba = yes; Great Briton = no.

Jim Walls K6CCC

-----Original Message----- From: "k6vug--- via AMSAT-BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:47 To: "AMSAT BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Control Operator Clarification

Greetings, Sometimes I have kids and would-be-hams watching me wide-eyed work the FM sats and I wished I could get some of them on the pass too.

So the question is, is it legal to allow them do it with me as the control operator handling the PTT ? on a not-so-busy pass, of course !

Thanks and 73, Umesh, k6vug

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Mike Jameson

9:14 p.m.

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United Kingdom is ok though :)

Regards,

Mike

-- Mike Jameson MIET BSc (Hons) M0MIK

On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 20:12 jim--- via AMSAT-BB, amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:

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For the most part, yes. If it's a domestic contact, you are good to go. If it's an international contact, there has to be a Third Party Operating Agreement with that country. There is a list of countries on this page: http://www.arrl.org/third-party-operating-agreements Note that what countries are or are not on the list may surprise you in some cases. For example: Cuba = yes; Great Briton = no.

Jim Walls K6CCC

-----Original Message----- From: "k6vug--- via AMSAT-BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:47 To: "AMSAT BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Control Operator Clarification

Greetings, Sometimes I have kids and would-be-hams watching me wide-eyed work the FM sats and I wished I could get some of them on the pass too.

So the question is, is it legal to allow them do it with me as the control operator handling the PTT ? on a not-so-busy pass, of course !

Thanks and 73, Umesh, k6vug

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k6vug＠sbcglobal.net

10:29 p.m.

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Thank you all very much for getting back with clarifications, it helps a lot. This will help share the thrill with the youngsters, as well as lower the bar for this wonderful experience, they deserve it. For the most part, the satellite contacts would be within US and Canada. It'll mostly be hand-held or tripod operation out in the local park, so I was planning on initially handling the antenna and the PTT until they get used to the fast pace. With sufficient traction, my dream goal is to hopefully take it to the schools in our district. Thanks again. 73! Umesh, k6vug On Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:12:19 PM PDT, jim--- via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:

Jim Walls K6CCC

-----Original Message----- From: "k6vug--- via AMSAT-BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:47 To: "AMSAT BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Control Operator Clarification

Greetings, Sometimes I have kids and would-be-hams watching me wide-eyed work the FM sats and I wished I could get some of them on the pass too.

So the question is, is it legal to allow them do it with me as the control operator handling the PTT ? on a not-so-busy pass, of course !

Thanks and 73, Umesh, k6vug

Glen Zook

7:07 p.m.

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Perfectly legal so long as the other station is in an area administered by the FCC. However, if the station is foreign then you need to check the list of countries with which the United States has 3rd part agreements. The list of countries with 3rd party agreements can be found at the following URL. Also, you have to identify the foreign station, by call sign. This per 47 CFR Part 97 Section 97.115(d)

§97.115 Third party communications.

(d) At the end of an exchange of international third party communications, the station must also transmit in the station identification procedure the call sign of the station with which a third party message was exchanged.

Otherwise such operation is perfectly legal. In fact, the 3rd party can activate the PTT so long as you are present and can stop the transmission if necessary. Glen, K9STH Website: https://k9sth.net

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 01:49:34 PM CDT, k6vug--- via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:

Greetings, Sometimes I have kids and would-be-hams watching me wide-eyed work the FM sats and I wished I could get some of them on the pass too.

So the question is, is it legal to allow them do it with me as the control operator handling the PTT ? on a not-so-busy pass, of course !

Thanks and 73, Umesh, k6vug

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