Eagle Team:
I concur with John's thought. I've been advocating consideration of X Band for some time. After all, we DID have it on AO-40, even if it was disabled by the unfortunate events which occurred to that handicapped bird.
One of the beefs about X Band have been the problem with getting low noise receivers, but low noise figure preamp devices are not that hard anymore. Just look at the results from the Central States noise figure tests and the fact that many people have low noise downconverters on their roofs.
Besides, ground station receivers won't be needed for several years yet and performance and prices should even more manageable by then.
So, let's at least put X Band into the mix for consideration.
CU in SF.
73,
Bill, W3XO
----- Original Message ----- From: "John B. Stephensen" kd6ozh@comcast.net To: "Jim Sanford" wb4gcs@amsat.org; "Matt Ettus" matt@ettus.com Cc: "EAGLE" eagle@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 8:39 PM Subject: [eagle] Re: DCP Bands
Consideration of X-band was dropped early in the meeting, but should be part of the re-evaluation as a downlink band. I suspect that S2 is not viable as an uplink or downlink because of regulatory issues outside our region. If S1 is unavailable and L remains a potential problem, C/X is a possible solution. The proposal in the U.K. to sell 10.125-10.225 and 10.475-10.575 GHz still leaves 10.450-10.475 GHz available for amateur satellites.
73,
John KD6OZH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Sanford" wb4gcs@amsat.org To: "Matt Ettus" matt@ettus.com Cc: "EAGLE" eagle@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 23:53 UTC Subject: [eagle] Re: DCP Bands
Matt: I think you have done a nice job of condensing what we discussed there, or at least what I heard and captured in my notes.
Well done.
73, Jim wb4gcs@amsat.org
Matt Ettus wrote:
In the time since the San Diego meeting, I have come to realize that:
1 - Nothing is ever final.
2 - The decision about bands for the DCP (digital communications payload) is likely to be made in some combination of the following venues, in none of which you are likely to find me: A - AMSAT-BB B - AMSAT Board Meetings C - Meetings with shadowy DoD figures without names D - IARU, ITU, ARRL, QCWA, or Wuoff-Hong Society meetings
3 - Many of the decision makers (especially those speaking the loudest) think that SSB is the way of the future and Shannon's Law means that sex offenders have to register with the police.
4 - It really doesn't matter to me which bands are chosen, as long as they meet certain basic criteria.
In that spirit, I decided to distill the major technical constraints which we agreed on at the San Diego meeting, in order to give a basic set of rules which would provide us a workable bandplan for this satellite. The only legal/regulatory constraint I applied to this list is that we are unlikely to GAIN privileges. Someone else can decide how likely we are to lose them.
The constraints, and their reasons, as I see the consensus from the SD meeting:
1 - The uplink band must be chosen from the set of { L, S1, S2, C }. The lower bands simply don't have the bandwidth necessary for what we want to do, and would have unwieldy antennas. The higher bands are much more difficult due to the pointing accuracy required for antennas and the difficulty of generating significant power and low noise figures.
2 - The downlink band must be chose from the set of { S1, S2, C }. The same reasons as constraint #1, with the added constraint that L-band is not legal for downlink (which falls under the "we're not likely to GAIN privileges" category).
3 - The uplink and downlink bands must be distinct. This means no C-C or S1-S1. The bands are simply too narrow to allow for practical duplexers in the quantity we are talking about (~36).
4 - The uplink band must not be used by any other payload on Eagle as a downlink. Obvious interference issues.
5 - The downlink band should not be used by any other payload as an
uplink.
Obvious interference issues.
6 - Sharing of uplink bands or downlink bands MAY be possible, but probably isn't necessary.
Taking constraints 1-6 together, the choices are (in the form A/B where A is up, B is down): { L/S1, L/S2, L/C, S1/S2, S1/C, S2/S1, S2/C, C/S1, C/S2 }
In addition to the above "hard facts", we can add in the following concerns which were expressed at the meeting:
7 - We would prefer not to use S1 as a downlink because of possible interference from WiFi devices. 8 - Fear of L being taken away 9 - Uncertain legality of S2 in ITU Region 1
This leads to the following matrix, which I believe effectively boils down the decision process from the SD meeting:
Bandplan 7 8 9 L/S1 X X L/S2 X X L/C X S1/S2 X S1/C S2/S1 X X S2/C X C/S1 X C/S2 X
The only bandplan with no X's is S1/C, which is what we chose at the meeting. Obviously, there are now additional concerns which have been raised:
- S1-Uplink being taken away
- #8 not being as big a deal as we thought.
This would change the matrix.
I welcome your thoughts, especially if you feel I have misrepresented the SD meeting consensus.
Thanks, Matt, N2MJI
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