This is a proposed agenda for next week's meeting. Poor Howard! If he cannot make it for that meeting, we will get the report from him earlier and deliver it.
Please send me your modifications. I will contact each of the proposed presenters directly.
http://n4hy.org/AMSAT_Engineering_Meeting_2008_i.pdf
Barry Baines is the leader of the meeting and the time enforcer.
Bob
Robert McGwier wrote:
This is a proposed agenda for next week's meeting. Poor Howard! If he cannot make it for that meeting, we will get the report from him earlier and deliver it.
Please send me your modifications. I will contact each of the proposed presenters directly.
http://n4hy.org/AMSAT_Engineering_Meeting_2008_i.pdf
Barry Baines is the leader of the meeting and the time enforcer.
Bob
In the past I have not participated in these teamspeak meetings for a number of reasons, mostly centered around TeamSpeak itself, which is most definitely NOT open source, and not terribly good either, in my opinion. The developers are quite open about the fact that they will NEVER open it up:
http://forum.teamspeak.com/archive/index.php/t-372.html
Clearly it is too short of a time frame to switch for this meeting, but I would really like to investigate some other option which is open. A very quick google search turned up the following:
http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
It is open, has clients for Windows and Linux, and seems to have a lot of happy users. As a bonus, it uses the Speex audio codec which we are considering for use in many AMSAT and other ham applications. This would make tying the internet- and satellite- connected conversations together easier.
If some people would like to test this with me, let me know. At least one Linux user, on Windows user, and maybe a Mac person who knows how to compile common open source apps would be useful.
Matt
Matt Ettus wrote:
In the past I have not participated in these teamspeak meetings for a number of reasons, mostly centered around TeamSpeak itself, which is most definitely NOT open source, and not terribly good either, in my opinion. The developers are quite open about the fact that they will NEVER open it up:
http://forum.teamspeak.com/archive/index.php/t-372.html[...]
Yeah, I wasn't going to say anything and avoid getting political with a group that I'm just getting started with, but I had exactly the same feelings when I looked at the Teamspeak client. I was somewhat relieved that they have a Linux client, but the software is disappointing and the license is even more disappointing.
"Free for non-commercial" is a self-promotional scam, it's short sided to adopt a closed source program like this.
I can't say that I'm a purist, I do what I need to do in order to get my work done. I have a Mac that I use to run photoshop and access fancy printers, but I probably wouldn't use teamspeak if it were up to me.
jeff
Hi Matt
Without wishing to stir up a hornet's nest, may I respectfully suggest that we _don't_ change. It took the rest of us time and effort already to get Teamspeak set up, and now it's all tried and tested. I really don't think it's necessarily fair for everyone to have to change just because of one individual's opinion on it being open source.
Remembering back to the issues we had getting aquainted originally when set up Teamspeak as a conferencing tool, I feel that changing now would actually be a detriment to productivity.
If it works, why fix it?
Again, I must reiterate that it is not my intention to upset the apple cart, it's just that Teamspeak would seem to be the very least of our problems right now!
73, Howard G6LVB
-----Original Message----- From: eagle-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:eagle-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Matt Ettus Sent: 02 January 2008 18:29 To: Robert McGwier Cc: 'AMSAT BoD'; 'EAGLE'; AMSAT Advisors; AMSAT Officers Subject: [eagle] Re: Proposed agenda for Jan. 8 TS meeting
Robert McGwier wrote:
This is a proposed agenda for next week's meeting. Poor Howard! If he cannot make it for that meeting, we will get the report from him earlier and deliver it.
Please send me your modifications. I will contact each of the proposed presenters directly.
http://n4hy.org/AMSAT_Engineering_Meeting_2008_i.pdf
Barry Baines is the leader of the meeting and the time enforcer.
Bob
In the past I have not participated in these teamspeak meetings for a number of reasons, mostly centered around TeamSpeak itself, which is most definitely NOT open source, and not terribly good either, in my opinion. The developers are quite open about the fact that they will NEVER open it up:
http://forum.teamspeak.com/archive/index.php/t-372.html
Clearly it is too short of a time frame to switch for this meeting, but I would really like to investigate some other option which is open. A very quick google search turned up the following:
http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
It is open, has clients for Windows and Linux, and seems to have a lot of happy users. As a bonus, it uses the Speex audio codec which we are considering for use in many AMSAT and other ham applications. This would make tying the internet- and satellite- connected conversations together easier.
If some people would like to test this with me, let me know. At least one Linux user, on Windows user, and maybe a Mac person who knows how to compile common open source apps would be useful.
Matt
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Howard:
This is called AMSAT's KISS principle - Keep It Simple Stupid - if it aint broke, don't fix it. I completely agree with your message.
'73, Dick Jansson, KD1K kd1k@amsat.org kd1k@arrl.net
-----Original Message----- From: eagle-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:eagle-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Howard Long Sent: Wednesday, 02 January, 2008 19.04 To: 'Matt Ettus'; 'Robert McGwier' Cc: 'AMSAT BoD'; 'EAGLE'; 'AMSAT Advisors'; 'AMSAT Officers' Subject: [eagle] Re: Proposed agenda for Jan. 8 TS meeting
Hi Matt
Without wishing to stir up a hornet's nest, may I respectfully suggest that we _don't_ change. It took the rest of us time and effort already to get Teamspeak set up, and now it's all tried and tested. I really don't think it's necessarily fair for everyone to have to change just because of one individual's opinion on it being open source.
Remembering back to the issues we had getting aquainted originally when set up Teamspeak as a conferencing tool, I feel that changing now would actually be a detriment to productivity.
If it works, why fix it?
Again, I must reiterate that it is not my intention to upset the apple cart, it's just that Teamspeak would seem to be the very least of our problems right now!
73, Howard G6LVB
-----Original Message----- From: eagle-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:eagle-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Matt Ettus Sent: 02 January 2008 18:29 To: Robert McGwier Cc: 'AMSAT BoD'; 'EAGLE'; AMSAT Advisors; AMSAT Officers Subject: [eagle] Re: Proposed agenda for Jan. 8 TS meeting
Robert McGwier wrote:
This is a proposed agenda for next week's meeting. Poor Howard! If he cannot make it for that meeting, we will get the report from him earlier and deliver it.
Please send me your modifications. I will contact each of the proposed presenters directly.
http://n4hy.org/AMSAT_Engineering_Meeting_2008_i.pdf
Barry Baines is the leader of the meeting and the time enforcer.
Bob
In the past I have not participated in these teamspeak meetings for a number of reasons, mostly centered around TeamSpeak itself, which is most definitely NOT open source, and not terribly good either, in my opinion. The developers are quite open about the fact that they will NEVER open it up:
http://forum.teamspeak.com/archive/index.php/t-372.html
Clearly it is too short of a time frame to switch for this meeting, but I would really like to investigate some other option which is open. A very quick google search turned up the following:
http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
It is open, has clients for Windows and Linux, and seems to have a lot of happy users. As a bonus, it uses the Speex audio codec which we are considering for use in many AMSAT and other ham applications. This would make tying the internet- and satellite- connected conversations together easier.
If some people would like to test this with me, let me know. At least one Linux user, on Windows user, and maybe a Mac person who knows how to compile common open source apps would be useful.
Matt
_______________________________________________ Via the Eagle mailing list courtesy of AMSAT-NA Eagle@amsat.org http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/eagle
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Dick,
That's just the issue -- it IS broken. It isn't compatible with the sound system on modern Linux machines, for one. Secondly, it's a commercial product. Are we paying for it? Monthly or one time?
Matt
Dick Jansson-rr wrote:
Howard:
This is called AMSAT's KISS principle - Keep It Simple Stupid - if it aint broke, don't fix it. I completely agree with your message.
'73, Dick Jansson, KD1K kd1k@amsat.org kd1k@arrl.net
-----Original Message----- From: eagle-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:eagle-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Howard Long Sent: Wednesday, 02 January, 2008 19.04 To: 'Matt Ettus'; 'Robert McGwier' Cc: 'AMSAT BoD'; 'EAGLE'; 'AMSAT Advisors'; 'AMSAT Officers' Subject: [eagle] Re: Proposed agenda for Jan. 8 TS meeting
Hi Matt
Without wishing to stir up a hornet's nest, may I respectfully suggest that we _don't_ change. It took the rest of us time and effort already to get Teamspeak set up, and now it's all tried and tested. I really don't think it's necessarily fair for everyone to have to change just because of one individual's opinion on it being open source.
Remembering back to the issues we had getting aquainted originally when set up Teamspeak as a conferencing tool, I feel that changing now would actually be a detriment to productivity.
If it works, why fix it?
Again, I must reiterate that it is not my intention to upset the apple cart, it's just that Teamspeak would seem to be the very least of our problems right now!
73, Howard G6LVB
-----Original Message----- From: eagle-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:eagle-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Matt Ettus Sent: 02 January 2008 18:29 To: Robert McGwier Cc: 'AMSAT BoD'; 'EAGLE'; AMSAT Advisors; AMSAT Officers Subject: [eagle] Re: Proposed agenda for Jan. 8 TS meeting
Robert McGwier wrote:
This is a proposed agenda for next week's meeting. Poor Howard! If he cannot make it for that meeting, we will get the report from him earlier and deliver it.
Please send me your modifications. I will contact each of the proposed presenters directly.
http://n4hy.org/AMSAT_Engineering_Meeting_2008_i.pdf
Barry Baines is the leader of the meeting and the time enforcer.
Bob
In the past I have not participated in these teamspeak meetings for a number of reasons, mostly centered around TeamSpeak itself, which is most definitely NOT open source, and not terribly good either, in my opinion. The developers are quite open about the fact that they will NEVER open it up:
http://forum.teamspeak.com/archive/index.php/t-372.htmlClearly it is too short of a time frame to switch for this meeting, but I would really like to investigate some other option which is open. A very quick google search turned up the following:
http://mumble.sourceforge.net/It is open, has clients for Windows and Linux, and seems to have a lot of happy users. As a bonus, it uses the Speex audio codec which we are considering for use in many AMSAT and other ham applications. This would make tying the internet- and satellite- connected conversations together easier.
If some people would like to test this with me, let me know. At least one Linux user, on Windows user, and maybe a Mac person who knows how to compile common open source apps would be useful.
Matt
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On Wednesday 02 January 2008 17:34:18 Matt Ettus wrote:
Dick,
That's just the issue -- it IS broken. It isn't compatible with the sound system on modern Linux machines, for one. Secondly, it's a commercial product. Are we paying for it? Monthly or one time?
Matt
I've never had any problems running the Teamspeak client under the last several versions of Ubuntu.
Lee-KU4OS
Matt and Jeff:
Thanks for your input. The TeamSpeak server is operated for us by Eric Ellison. I am sure he would be more than happy investigating Mumble. TS can (and in our case) does use Speex (since the vocoder is chosen by the channel administrator, in this case me). Before hearing of Mumble from you, we searched for quite a bit for anything that would support the vocoders of choice, and ran on all platforms: Linux, Mac OS/x, and Windows. The greatest common divisor was TS.
My position on open source is the same as yours as you know but I am going to let practicality trump here. If Mumble is mature enough, we will consider using it in the future. For now, we need to move quickly enough to prepare for several things that we just cannot afford to do anything but proceed until we are sure.
Thanks, Bob
Matt Ettus wrote:
Robert McGwier wrote:
This is a proposed agenda for next week's meeting. Poor Howard! If he cannot make it for that meeting, we will get the report from him earlier and deliver it.
Please send me your modifications. I will contact each of the proposed presenters directly.
http://n4hy.org/AMSAT_Engineering_Meeting_2008_i.pdf
Barry Baines is the leader of the meeting and the time enforcer.
Bob
In the past I have not participated in these teamspeak meetings for a number of reasons, mostly centered around TeamSpeak itself, which is most definitely NOT open source, and not terribly good either, in my opinion. The developers are quite open about the fact that they will NEVER open it up:
http://forum.teamspeak.com/archive/index.php/t-372.html
Clearly it is too short of a time frame to switch for this meeting, but I would really like to investigate some other option which is open. A very quick google search turned up the following:
http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
It is open, has clients for Windows and Linux, and seems to have a lot of happy users. As a bonus, it uses the Speex audio codec which we are considering for use in many AMSAT and other ham applications. This would make tying the internet- and satellite- connected conversations together easier.
If some people would like to test this with me, let me know. At least one Linux user, on Windows user, and maybe a Mac person who knows how to compile common open source apps would be useful.
Matt
Hi Bob
I can make it.
If I am asleep, call me!
+44 207 581 5903
Howard
-----Original Message----- From: eagle-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:eagle-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert McGwier Sent: 02 January 2008 04:53 To: 'AMSAT BoD' Cc: 'EAGLE'; AMSAT Advisors; AMSAT Officers Subject: [eagle] Proposed agenda for Jan. 8 TS meeting
This is a proposed agenda for next week's meeting. Poor Howard! If he cannot make it for that meeting, we will get the report from him earlier and deliver it.
Please send me your modifications. I will contact each of the proposed presenters directly.
http://n4hy.org/AMSAT_Engineering_Meeting_2008_i.pdf
Barry Baines is the leader of the meeting and the time enforcer.
Bob
-- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair "An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?" Descartes _______________________________________________ Via the Eagle mailing list courtesy of AMSAT-NA Eagle@amsat.org http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/eagle
Bob, I will join and have no changes to the agenda. bob Robert Davis KF4KSS
On 1/1/08, Robert McGwier rwmcgwier@gmail.com wrote:
This is a proposed agenda for next week's meeting. Poor Howard! If he cannot make it for that meeting, we will get the report from him earlier and deliver it.
Please send me your modifications. I will contact each of the proposed presenters directly.
http://n4hy.org/AMSAT_Engineering_Meeting_2008_i.pdf
Barry Baines is the leader of the meeting and the time enforcer.
Bob
-- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair "An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?" Descartes _______________________________________________ Via the Officers mailing list at AMSAT.ORG courtesy of AMSAT-NA http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/officers
Where would I find the information to configure TeamSpeak for the meeting? Is it just a matter of putting the IP address mentioned in the PDF into TeamSpeak or is there more that needs to be configured?
Thanks and 73, Dan W9EQ
-----Original Message----- From: eagle-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:eagle-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert McGwier Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:53 PM To: 'AMSAT BoD' Cc: 'EAGLE'; AMSAT Advisors; AMSAT Officers Subject: [eagle] Proposed agenda for Jan. 8 TS meeting
This is a proposed agenda for next week's meeting. Poor Howard! If he cannot make it for that meeting, we will get the report from him earlier and deliver it.
Please send me your modifications. I will contact each of the proposed presenters directly.
http://n4hy.org/AMSAT_Engineering_Meeting_2008_i.pdf
Barry Baines is the leader of the meeting and the time enforcer.
Bob
-- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair "An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?" Descartes _______________________________________________ Via the Eagle mailing list courtesy of AMSAT-NA Eagle@amsat.org http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/eagle
It seems like you need a username/password to connect to the TeamSpeak server, I don't know it either...
jeff
Dan Habecker wrote:
Where would I find the information to configure TeamSpeak for the meeting? Is it just a matter of putting the IP address mentioned in the PDF into TeamSpeak or is there more that needs to be configured?
Thanks and 73, Dan W9EQ
-----Original Message----- From: eagle-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:eagle-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert McGwier Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:53 PM To: 'AMSAT BoD' Cc: 'EAGLE'; AMSAT Advisors; AMSAT Officers Subject: [eagle] Proposed agenda for Jan. 8 TS meeting
This is a proposed agenda for next week's meeting. Poor Howard! If he cannot make it for that meeting, we will get the report from him earlier and deliver it.
Please send me your modifications. I will contact each of the proposed presenters directly.
http://n4hy.org/AMSAT_Engineering_Meeting_2008_i.pdf
Barry Baines is the leader of the meeting and the time enforcer.
Bob
-- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair "An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?" Descartes _______________________________________________ Via the Eagle mailing list courtesy of AMSAT-NA Eagle@amsat.org http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/eagle
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On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 12:59 -0800, Jeff Mock wrote:
It seems like you need a username/password to connect to the TeamSpeak server, I don't know it either...
There's an EaglePedia page with the information you need:
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/eagle/EaglePedia/index.php/TeamSpeak_Help
Bdale
Bdale Garbee wrote:
On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 12:59 -0800, Jeff Mock wrote:
It seems like you need a username/password to connect to the TeamSpeak server, I don't know it either...
There's an EaglePedia page with the information you need:
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/eagle/EaglePedia/index.php/TeamSpeak_Help
Bdale
I don't think that I've been properly anointed to access some the EaglePedia pages:
Restricted Information: This information has been marked as restricted. Reason: This page contains information confidential to the Eagle Team
Jeff,
I think that is my job. Do you have a callsign, if not, what is your prefered username?
Dave n0tgd
On Jan 7, 2008 1:12 PM, Jeff Mock jeff@mock.com wrote:
I don't think that I've been properly anointed to access some the EaglePedia pages:
This is to remind everyone that an Eagle Team Conference Call is scheduled from 2100-2230 on Tuesday evening, 8 JAN 08 via TeamSpeak. Bob McGwier, N4HY sent out an Agenda on 1 JAN 08 (e-mail included below).
I know that some participants are not registered to access EaglePedia which prevents them from gaining access to the instructions on accessing TeamSpeak. If any conference participant without access to EaglePedia needs TeamSpeak instructions, please contact me off list. Note that the TeamSpeak server IP address and Port Number are listed in the Agenda header provided by N4HY. There is a server password that is also required; if you need the password, please contact me off list.
Barry Baines WD4ASW
Begin forwarded message:
From: Robert McGwier rwmcgwier@gmail.com Date: January 1, 2008 11:53:06 PM EST To: 'AMSAT BoD' bod@amsat.org Cc: 'EAGLE' eagle@amsat.org, AMSAT Advisors advisors@amsat.org, AMSAT Officers officers@amsat.org Subject: [Bod] Proposed agenda for Jan. 8 TS meeting
This is a proposed agenda for next week's meeting. Poor Howard! If he cannot make it for that meeting, we will get the report from him earlier and deliver it.
Please send me your modifications. I will contact each of the proposed presenters directly.
http://n4hy.org/AMSAT_Engineering_Meeting_2008_i.pdf
Barry Baines is the leader of the meeting and the time enforcer.
Bob
-- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair “An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?” Descartes
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Dave hartzell -
Dick Jansson-rr -
Howard Long -
Jeff Mock -
Lee McLamb -
Matt Ettus -
Robert Davis -
Robert McGwier -
Tom Clark, K3IO