This version of events is not true. I wish the best for the project, but I can't be involved in such an incredible fiction.

AMSAT as an organization has to realize that when literally dozens of highly motivated volunteers are chased away by one particular person, that perhaps that one particular person is at fault, for reasons not necessarily visible or easily resolved. All involved have my sympathy and support.

I have not refused to communicate with any AMSAT member or volunteer, and I let the work on Namaste speak for itself.

-Michelle W5NYV

Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis.

----- Original Message ---- From: Bob McGwier rwmcgwier@gmail.com To: Michelle w5nyv@yahoo.com; Bdale Garbee bdale@gag.com Cc: namaste-dev namaste-dev@amsat.org; eagle@amsat.org; bod@amsat.org Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 8:06:55 PM Subject: RE: [Namaste-dev] Re: [eagle] what is going on?

Thank you for your positive contribution. I do not suffer from bipolar disorder as the armchair psychiatrists suggest. I have not ever had a mental illness.

Once every two years I undergo a major, multi-day psychological evaluation as part of my employment. I have always and continue to pass whatever that means and my personal records show no disorder is present to the satisfaction of my employer and our sponsor. I have been in a stable marriage to the same woman since the early 1970’s and all my children tell me they love me for whatever that is worth.

Do I get angry, yes. Everyone knows this, but I am not violent, nor bipolar. I think the last time I got into a fist fight I was in middle school. The last time I had a mood disorder was last year when my brother, sister-in-law, and niece were almost killed. When my favorite aunt died of cancer. When her husband, my uncle, was almost trampled to death by horses that she owned when he was trying to put them into a trailer to sell them. When my mother almost died of medical incompetence, etc. I sought help to get through what seemed a never ending crisis, took antidepressants for six months and then quit them, all under a doctor’s supervision. I should have quit this job then because I did AMSAT no good whatsoever for months but the thing about this kind of crisis reaction is you cannot see out of the fog. The fog is gone now. My aunt is stil dead, but while not whole, the rest of my relatives are recovering their lives.

Matt was indeed removed as leader of the ACP. He is a brilliant engineer and I believe he and I will work together for years to come. Unlike Michelle, Matt was big enough to talk to me, I gave my reasons, we disagreed and we have had technical discussions via email since. While I hope Matt continues to contribute to the technical effort that he has been visionary on, we need a manager to bring the pieces together. It will not be Matt. He is busy and very preoccupied with multiple pieces of work, almost all professional and very demanding of time. He was aggravated and clearly upset with all sorts of things in dealing with ACP, AMSAT, etc. and I made a decision that I thought was in the best interests of AMSAT. I demanded that Michelle give me some oversight so I could try to right the ship and to talk to me. None of this has been forthcoming.

As a member of the senior officers and a member of the board of directors, when you have a major failure in a project, you report it to the officers and board. I did this. I provided a courtesy copy to Michelle. She sent the privileged communication to Matt. Both of them took exception to its contents and addressed their exception to the same audience I did. This was not a public message. It was addressed those people responsible for running this organization. We are attempting to come up with a plan by August and I saw all of this as a crisis and they needed the information. They made many corrections to my statement, I have not defended against their statements of disagreement, hoping we could work this out.

Michelle was asked repeatedly to talk to me on many occasions before the real outbreak of hostilities.. I told her that if she did not talk to me about how to proceed in the current situation, that she was effectively resigning since this cannot work.

That said, Michelle is doing a very good job of building a collaboration. It is my OPINION that she has a real problem with any hierarchy. I don’t care, just so she talks to me and allows me to help her. I believe in her ability to do this organization but it will not be without guidance from the senior engineering executive in an engineering organization and that is me until I am replaced.

I realize that the people in the Eagle group are getting blind sided by all of this. My apologies. Dick Jansson made this completely clear in a note he sent to the board.

When I return from a two month deployment overseas last month, and I was given a day to make a big decision at work, I made the decision knowing that my days as an AMSAT executive and director were over. I needed to make big time changes in my position and there were legal issues requiring me to make a very hasty decision. I handled it poorly. I freely admit I was upset at the outcome. I was fighting but I was given an ultimatum and I acquiesced. I was signing an agreement that said I would not have such involvements as AMSAT directorship and officer. I did not sign up to run for the board (Michelle celebrates along with Fred Parker). Two weeks after this, things changed, and the right thing happened. I informed the board that I would stay until they chose to replace me.

From this incident forward, I have been completely unable to get Michelle to carry on a conversation with me about Namaste or Eagle matters. I asked Barry to help me get a meeting together. When I could not get answers to several questions (some I subsequently learned were available online but not the major questions) at 1 PM of the day I needed to okay a meeting so the contract could be signed to hold the meeting by 6 PM that day, I cancelled the meeting. As the senior engineering executive of this organization with a busy life just like many of you have, I could not see spending AMSAT money or my and other executives time on a feel good session. Maybe there was more to it, I know that I could not find out and my designated go to guy did not have answers.

If Michelle will talk to me, I will beg her forgiveness for any real or perceived injustice she feels she has been subjected to and attempt to work out a working relationship while I complete my tenure, whether that is 3 months or 30 years, we need to make progress before August on making real on what steps to take next. I believe the Namaste group is ready to take steps. I hate sending it fall into disarray just when it arrives at a turning point from position papers to action.

What you have done here is beyond the pale of what anyone should be subjected to. However, the important thing is AMSAT and its best interests. I forgive it completely. I am uninterested in how you perceive me or what you think of me so long as you will attempt to work out a working relationship with me, I will do it. I believe you are good person and that you have been subjected to all sorts of wrong headed talking and thinking at my expense and the organization’s. I am damn easy to work with technically. I have the exact same technical partners I have had in some cases for 3 decades and more for two decades.

My phone number is 609-731-5289. I AM the VPE and I will talk to you and attempt to help you do a good job for this organization or you will have removed yourself from the job. This is your choice. I am more than willing to work it out. There is no other way. We cannot have completely autonomous groups without oversight. If you can call an emergency board meeting and get me fired, you can win the day. If you like, I will call it for you. I do not fear the outcome, up, down, or sideways. AMSAT needs me, I love AMSAT, and I will be here for as long as I am able to be. If the board wants me out, I will say aye aye and we will move on.

73’s Bob N4HY

ARRL SDR Working Group Chair, AMSAT VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. “Trample the slow .... Hurdle the dead"

From:namaste-dev-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:namaste-dev-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:10 PM To: Bdale Garbee Cc: namaste-dev; eagle@amsat.org Subject: [Namaste-dev] Re: [eagle] what is going on?

Bob fired Matt Ettus on 23 June 2008. He fired me, for lack of a better term, on 26 June 2008.

It was unnecessarily harsh and inaccurate. It was impersonal, and inappropriate.

According to several AMSAT executives, Bob McGwier is mentally ill. I am told he suffers from bipolar disorder. Despite knowing this (if this is true), AMSAT has chosen to appoint him to Vice President of Engineering. They intend, as far as I can tell, to keep him in this position, regardless of the result.

While mental illness cannot and should not suffer stigma, it also is a factor in assigning responsibility.

I think Bob needs help and support. I also think he needs to resign, and get help, and then return to contribute as a valued and irreplaceable technical volunteer.

-Michelle W5NYV

----- Original Message ---- From: Bdale Garbee bdale@gag.com To: AMSAT BoD bod@amsat.org Cc: namaste-dev@amsat.org; AMSAT Eagle eagle@amsat.org; Bob McGwier N4HY rwmcgwier@comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 5:38:59 PM Subject: [eagle] what is going on?

I just returned from nearly a month of travel/vacation with my family, including 4925 miles of cross-country road-trip. Two of the personal highlights were my daughter Elizabeth KC0OTR passing her Extra exam in Grand Junction, CO, and my first visit to the NRAO facility at Green Bank, WV.

In trying to catch up on the email backlog in preparation for re-engaging in less vacation-oriented activities, I find myself somethere between utterly confused and completely dismayed regarding AMSAT activities I care about.

It seems like it has been months since I heard about any activity on Eagle or the associated ride-share opportunity other than what is being discussed on the namaste-dev list. ???

I see references in Michelle's weekly summaries about a meeting in San Diego on the weekend of 18 July, but can't find any information about who is meeting and for what purpose. Is this something I should show up for? I've tried emailing a couple folks directly that I thought might be able to give me details, but have had no replies. I happen to have that weekend open at the moment.

An email from Bob McGwier to the eagle list on June 5th indicated that he has resigned as VP Engineering and does not intend to run for another term on the Board. While I'm pleased to see that he remains active on the namaste-dev list, I haven't read anything yet indicating who is expected to replace him? Who's supposedly running our Eagle and related engineering projects now that Jim and Bob have both stepped down?

Matt Ettus reports that he has been "fired" and is thus no longer working on the ACP. Why? I find it nearly inconceivable that AMSAT would intentionally push away someone of his talent, vision, and demonstrated persistence of contribution. I sincerely hope this is a misunderstanding of some kind?

Would someone *please* tell me what is going on?

73 - Bdale, KB0G

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