On 25 Nov 2009 at 23:50, Bob- W7LRD wrote:
Date sent: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:50:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob- W7LRD w7lrd@comcast.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Iceland!! To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Hello all AO-7 fans
I just recently worked Ari-TF3ARI. After several emails and a few false starts we connected on old AO-7.
The footprint from TF will cover most of the U.S.! Another good reason to get on old AO-7!
I'm sure he will eventually get to meet most of the "regulars".
73 Bob W7LRD Washington State AMSAT area coordinator
Hi Bob
i'm asking myself a couple of questions that i will share with you all.
We can all deduct from your experience that a higher orbit increased the earth footprint. Adding more and more low orbit sat will not help any US continental operator to extend their contact zone beyond North America condemning them to continental QSO'S.
When AMSAT-NA Says "We're Going Back to Space to add to the popular low-earth orbit FM transponder fleet" are they misleading their membership or are they using the wrong words? as the definition of "popular" is something favoured by an individual or limited group does not implies it is so popular for the vast majority of another group.
If this "Going back to space" is only mean "allowing hams to continue to use their existing handheld and portable antenna systems" regardless of their communication range. It should also be stated clearly. As it was written on the AMSAT-NA web page "This also continues the accessible entry path for new satellite operators to get started." it should also be clearly stated it will be not only an accessible entry path but the only one path for them condemning them in an "entry class" forever when they are used to world-wide contacts on HF and or DSTAR.
If the attraction pole is only focused on an entry class satellite and on the the replacement of the existing FM satellites fleet who are starting to show their age. can we say it is a poor man choice? Yes it's fun to chase grids and roving along the roads making them available but fox hunting can be as rewarded too as geo caching is! What is the next step after the "entry class"? The void?
Any short term vision can only lead to short term endeavour, it's a way to buy some time making by analogy a bunch of people playing in their small backyard where there is only one 2 places swing set. It is a disaster recipe in a small backyard full of children developing more frustration than the playing benefits. Can we extend this analogy to this "Going back to space" IMHO a bad choice of words.
Again it is only my own questioning triggered by an already existing world-wide class satellite project called P3E. There is no mention of it in this AMSAT-NA going back to space new deal as if they are in a closed shell or as they are shrinking on themselves. It is a sign of the time it is so nice in our lazy boy the easy way some will probably says the only one way depending of their state on mind and will.
BAD WORDS CHOICES...
Speaking of bad words choices what about the new Ham Antenna Installed on the ISS Columbus Module quote "Lou congratulated the team, "This is an example of what can be achieved by volunteer hams working closely with a space agency. This antenna project was funded entirely by AMSAT-NA"
That's fine but i remember sending some $$ in 2007 as donations where urgently Needed to Get ISS Columbus Module Amateur Radio-Ready. At the time they called for money quote "The total project cost is 80,000 Euros (approximately $106,500). Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Vice Chairman Gaston Bertels, ON4WF, says a payment of 9000 Euros (approximately $12,000) is due this month. ARISS- Europe remains 4000 Euros (approximately $5330) shy of that goal, however, and time is short to have it in place.
You can read the whole article on: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2007/03/21/100/?nc=1
A bank account was also open:
"Bank Account Established
AMSAT-Belgium has set up a bank account to receive donations toward equipping the module with the necessary ham radio antennas. "
Is the money goes into the bit bucket? How someone representing ARISS can say "This antenna project was funded entirely by AMSAT-NA" An explanation is in order here by the writer or by some official in the ARISS group? Again it's not a question about misleading the crowds but a question of basic plain honesty... ARISS is an international funded group if one of their members wants to get all the credit fine but a minimal amount of respect should not be mandatory to have a leading position at ARISS?
I already wrote on the same subject but ARISS or AMSAT-NA remain strangely silent even if i posted the text on AMSAT-EU satellite group a loud silence remain on this subject. Could be some are sleeping on the switch could be this jolt will awaken them?
In short WHERE MY MONEY GOES? the amateur satellite community is asking for money in a constant and quite aggressive way some times is it too much asking to know what they do with theses donations? as someone in US says only AMSAT-NA is paying for the antennas!!!
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
Luc, The ARISS VHF/UHF antennas were funded entirely by AMSAT-NA and some volunteers. Would you you like to join the ranks of those who contributed? If so you know how to contact Martha. What are you implying here? Of course you seemed to miss the part about the V and U antennas and the "and volunteers" as opposed to the L& S antennas which were a separate project conducted by the ARISS Europe team. The L & S antennas were especially difficult since they had to withstand the launch environment of the Shuttle payload bay. I think the ARISS Europe team overcame very difficult obstacles including technical and financial. They are to be commended for their work and tenacity. The operative thing here is performance and achievement rather than talk.
On Nov 26, 2009, at 5:21 AM, Luc Leblanc wrote:
On 25 Nov 2009 at 23:50, Bob- W7LRD wrote:
Date sent: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:50:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob- W7LRD w7lrd@comcast.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Iceland!! To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Hello all AO-7 fans
I just recently worked Ari-TF3ARI. After several emails and a few false starts we connected on old AO-7.
The footprint from TF will cover most of the U.S.! Another good reason to get on old AO-7!
I'm sure he will eventually get to meet most of the "regulars".
73 Bob W7LRD Washington State AMSAT area coordinator
Hi Bob
i'm asking myself a couple of questions that i will share with you all.
We can all deduct from your experience that a higher orbit increased the earth footprint. Adding more and more low orbit sat will not help any US continental operator to extend their contact zone beyond North America condemning them to continental QSO'S.
When AMSAT-NA Says "We're Going Back to Space to add to the popular low-earth orbit FM transponder fleet" are they misleading their membership or are they using the wrong words? as the definition of "popular" is something favoured by an individual or limited group does not implies it is so popular for the vast majority of another group.
If this "Going back to space" is only mean "allowing hams to continue to use their existing handheld and portable antenna systems" regardless of their communication range. It should also be stated clearly. As it was written on the AMSAT-NA web page "This also continues the accessible entry path for new satellite operators to get started." it should also be clearly stated it will be not only an accessible entry path but the only one path for them condemning them in an "entry class" forever when they are used to world-wide contacts on HF and or DSTAR.
If the attraction pole is only focused on an entry class satellite and on the the replacement of the existing FM satellites fleet who are starting to show their age. can we say it is a poor man choice? Yes it's fun to chase grids and roving along the roads making them available but fox hunting can be as rewarded too as geo caching is! What is the next step after the "entry class"? The void?
Any short term vision can only lead to short term endeavour, it's a way to buy some time making by analogy a bunch of people playing in their small backyard where there is only one 2 places swing set. It is a disaster recipe in a small backyard full of children developing more frustration than the playing benefits. Can we extend this analogy to this "Going back to space" IMHO a bad choice of words.
Again it is only my own questioning triggered by an already existing world-wide class satellite project called P3E. There is no mention of it in this AMSAT-NA going back to space new deal as if they are in a closed shell or as they are shrinking on themselves. It is a sign of the time it is so nice in our lazy boy the easy way some will probably says the only one way depending of their state on mind and will.
BAD WORDS CHOICES...
Speaking of bad words choices what about the new Ham Antenna Installed on the ISS Columbus Module quote "Lou congratulated the team, "This is an example of what can be achieved by volunteer hams working closely with a space agency. This antenna project was funded entirely by AMSAT-NA"
That's fine but i remember sending some $$ in 2007 as donations where urgently Needed to Get ISS Columbus Module Amateur Radio-Ready. At the time they called for money quote "The total project cost is 80,000 Euros (approximately $106,500). Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Vice Chairman Gaston Bertels, ON4WF, says a payment of 9000 Euros (approximately $12,000) is due this month. ARISS- Europe remains 4000 Euros (approximately $5330) shy of that goal, however, and time is short to have it in place.
You can read the whole article on: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2007/03/21/100/?nc=1
A bank account was also open:
"Bank Account Established
AMSAT-Belgium has set up a bank account to receive donations toward equipping the module with the necessary ham radio antennas. "
Is the money goes into the bit bucket? How someone representing ARISS can say "This antenna project was funded entirely by AMSAT-NA" An explanation is in order here by the writer or by some official in the ARISS group? Again it's not a question about misleading the crowds but a question of basic plain honesty... ARISS is an international funded group if one of their members wants to get all the credit fine but a minimal amount of respect should not be mandatory to have a leading position at ARISS?
I already wrote on the same subject but ARISS or AMSAT-NA remain strangely silent even if i posted the text on AMSAT-EU satellite group a loud silence remain on this subject. Could be some are sleeping on the switch could be this jolt will awaken them?
In short WHERE MY MONEY GOES? the amateur satellite community is asking for money in a constant and quite aggressive way some times is it too much asking to know what they do with theses donations? as someone in US says only AMSAT-NA is paying for the antennas!!!
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Lou McFadin W5DID ARISS US Hardware manager
On 26 Nov 2009 at 15:28, Louis McFadin wrote:
My commenting in the text Louis
Luc, The ARISS VHF/UHF antennas were funded entirely by AMSAT-NA and some volunteers. Would you you like to join the ranks of those who contributed? If so you know how to contact Martha.
I already contribute in 2007 you can check the whole donator's list at: http://www.ariss-eu.org/donations.htm
Jim Jerzycke 47,70 Luc Leblanc VE2DWE 18,87 Paul Lenhar II 18,87
What are you implying here?
Nothing else to try to understand where my money was used for before send any more monetary contribution to ARISS or to any other group including AMSAT-NA.
Of course you seemed to miss the part about the V and U antennas and the "and volunteers" as opposed to the L& S antennas which were a separate project conducted by the ARISS Europe team.
It is why i want to get explanations read this article from ARISS europe: http://www.ariss-eu.org/columbus.htm
Especially theses parts:
it was agreed to work on UHF, L-band and S-band antennas, VHF being too large to accommodate on the Meteorite Debris Panels (MDP) which protect Columbus ´ hull. ______________________________
"September 25 th, 2007 ARISS 41-42-43 antennas were successfully submitted to vibrations tests in Germany and ESA decided installation on Columbus .
October 9 th and 10 th ,2007 ARISS 41 and ARISS 43 were installed on Columbus in the high bay of the Kennedy Space Center . October 12 th the electrical properties of cables and antennas have been tested and validated.
In the week of October 15, qualification antenna ARISS 42 was successfully submitted to thermal tests in vacuum chamber in the Netherlands .
ARISS 42 will also be submitted to detailed efficiency tests to determine the precise electromagnetic characteristics of the antennas.
Since September 2005, the Columbus working group has met 17 times per teleconference. These meetings will now intensify in order to finalize the project for the onboard ARISS equipment. The intention is to build a wideband transponder, L-band uplink, S-band downlink. Moreover, digital ATV is also thought of. Anyway, among many other aspects, equipment volume, weight, power consumption and heat budget are to be discussed with ESA and EADS."
The L & S antennas were especially difficult since they had to withstand the launch environment of the Shuttle payload bay. I think the > >ARISS Europe team overcame very difficult obstacles including technical and financial. They are to be commended for their work and tenacity.
Correct me if i'm wrong Louis with this new U/V antenna there is already an L/S antenna installed on Columbus by ARISS-EU? As there is actually another set of U/V antenna installed long ago on ISS and serving for packet and ARISS contact sessions and for the cross band repeater? The former ARISS-EU antenna project was abandoned due to various factor and remain on Columbus the L/S antennas and the last U/V installed this week?
The operative thing here is performance and achievement rather than talk.
That's AMSAT-NA old rhetoric again Louis just start to set aside this close mentality where as soon as someone is asking for explanations he's only getting harsh commenting and aggressive answers. If you feel threaten by what i wrote you are probably aware of facts that i'm not aware of...
From an outsider it look's like as any ARISS group is working on projects at will without any coordination as you wrote "as opposed to the
L& S antennas which were a separate project conducted by the ARISS Europe team." Is there any way to have someone in charge in ARISS lets say a chief or a captain who can just make's us understand how things are working at ARISS? Not you as you seems to managed the US ARISS hardware only!
What are you implying here? You asked!
Why not adding theses line on the AMSAT-NA web page "ARISS Europe team overcame very difficult obstacles including technical and financial. They are to be commended for their work and tenacity" failing to do so at the first place just make's ARISS look like a body with no heads where each members are competing instead of cooperating.
On your AMSAT web page text you wrote "This antenna project was funded entirely by AMSAT-NA and volunteers" and "who built the antennas for both an ESA experiment and for ARISS" The ESA experiment is i guess the AIS antenna but not a single word about the ARISS-EU work, It came out only after i post my text...
What are you implying here? You asked!
This
ARISS is an international funded group if one of their members wants to get all the credit fine but a minimal amount of respect should not be mandatory to have a leading position at ARISS?
I understand you are the ARISS US hardware manager who is working on the ESA Columbus module amateur radio antenna. ARISS-EU was asking for money in 2007 what i want to know is "In short WHERE MY MONEY GOES? is it too much asking to know what ARISS do with theses donations"?
If it goes in the bit bucket just confirm it! At least they pioneering the actual ARISS-US work in some sort. Why don't mentioning there works first in your text? Even if their money was going in the bit bucket those in this list : http://www.ariss-eu.org/donations.htm should probably be concern with your commenting "operative thing here is performance and achievement rather than talk" They finally just give money on a project they believe in...
I wrote in my previous post:
"There is no mention of it in this AMSAT-NA going back to space new deal as if they are in a closed shell or as they are shrinking on themselves. It is a sign of the time"
Should i conclude this trend is now extending to ARISS? Just for the sake of clarity ARISS in not supposed to mean :Amateur Radio INTERNATIONAL space station?
Who is speaking for the head? YOU?
How AMSAT-NA or ARISS will be able to ask for money AGAIN when nobody is able to justify the donations made by some international amateur radio operators and groups.
If you speak for all the international ARISS group it's fine to used ARISS but here "The new ARISS antenna is very similar to the antennas already on the Russian service module" could be "new ARISS US" will a better CHOICE OF WORDS?
If you still don't get it just put some of your sentences back to back:
ARISS US Hardware Manager....This antenna project was funded entirely by AMSAT-NA and volunteers....The new ARISS antenna is very similar...
Not a single word on ARISS-EU...btw
What are you implying here? You asked!....
Correct me if i'm wrong when i say BAD WORDS CHOICES...
P.S. The devil is in the details.
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
Luc and Lou
I "heard" that the ATV experiment, for which the L/S antennas was built, died concerning a discordancy of two ATV groups. The one liked to have analogue ATV, the other group liked to have DATV. But this could be a rumour.
As you know, without informations there will rumours float around.
Louis McFadin schrieb:
Luc, The ARISS VHF/UHF antennas were funded entirely by AMSAT-NA and some volunteers. Would you you like to join the ranks of those who contributed? If so you know how to contact Martha. What are you implying here? Of course you seemed to miss the part about the V and U antennas and the "and volunteers" as opposed to the L& S antennas which were a separate project conducted by the ARISS Europe team. The L& S antennas were especially difficult since they had to withstand the launch environment of the Shuttle payload bay. I think the ARISS Europe team overcame very difficult obstacles including technical and financial. They are to be commended for their work and tenacity. The operative thing here is performance and achievement rather than talk.
On Nov 26, 2009, at 5:21 AM, Luc Leblanc wrote:
On 25 Nov 2009 at 23:50, Bob- W7LRD wrote:
Date sent: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:50:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob- W7LRDw7lrd@comcast.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Iceland!! To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Hello all AO-7 fans
I just recently worked Ari-TF3ARI. After several emails and a few false starts we connected on old AO-7.
The footprint from TF will cover most of the U.S.! Another good reason to get on old AO-7!
I'm sure he will eventually get to meet most of the "regulars".
73 Bob W7LRD Washington State AMSAT area coordinator
Hi Bob
i'm asking myself a couple of questions that i will share with you all.
We can all deduct from your experience that a higher orbit increased the earth footprint. Adding more and more low orbit sat will not help any US continental operator to extend their contact zone beyond North America condemning them to continental QSO'S.
When AMSAT-NA Says "We're Going Back to Space to add to the popular low-earth orbit FM transponder fleet" are they misleading their membership or are they using the wrong words? as the definition of "popular" is something favoured by an individual or limited group does not implies it is so popular for the vast majority of another group.
If this "Going back to space" is only mean "allowing hams to continue to use their existing handheld and portable antenna systems" regardless of their communication range. It should also be stated clearly. As it was written on the AMSAT-NA web page "This also continues the accessible entry path for new satellite operators to get started." it should also be clearly stated it will be not only an accessible entry path but the only one path for them condemning them in an "entry class" forever when they are used to world-wide contacts on HF and or DSTAR.
If the attraction pole is only focused on an entry class satellite and on the the replacement of the existing FM satellites fleet who are starting to show their age. can we say it is a poor man choice? Yes it's fun to chase grids and roving along the roads making them available but fox hunting can be as rewarded too as geo caching is! What is the next step after the "entry class"? The void?
Any short term vision can only lead to short term endeavour, it's a way to buy some time making by analogy a bunch of people playing in their small backyard where there is only one 2 places swing set. It is a disaster recipe in a small backyard full of children developing more frustration than the playing benefits. Can we extend this analogy to this "Going back to space" IMHO a bad choice of words.
Again it is only my own questioning triggered by an already existing world-wide class satellite project called P3E. There is no mention of it in this AMSAT-NA going back to space new deal as if they are in a closed shell or as they are shrinking on themselves. It is a sign of the time it is so nice in our lazy boy the easy way some will probably says the only one way depending of their state on mind and will.
BAD WORDS CHOICES...
Speaking of bad words choices what about the new Ham Antenna Installed on the ISS Columbus Module quote "Lou congratulated the team, "This is an example of what can be achieved by volunteer hams working closely with a space agency. This antenna project was funded entirely by AMSAT-NA"
That's fine but i remember sending some $$ in 2007 as donations where urgently Needed to Get ISS Columbus Module Amateur Radio-Ready. At the time they called for money quote "The total project cost is 80,000 Euros (approximately $106,500). Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Vice Chairman Gaston Bertels, ON4WF, says a payment of 9000 Euros (approximately $12,000) is due this month. ARISS- Europe remains 4000 Euros (approximately $5330) shy of that goal, however, and time is short to have it in place.
You can read the whole article on: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2007/03/21/100/?nc=1
A bank account was also open:
"Bank Account Established
AMSAT-Belgium has set up a bank account to receive donations toward equipping the module with the necessary ham radio antennas. "
Is the money goes into the bit bucket? How someone representing ARISS can say "This antenna project was funded entirely by AMSAT-NA" An explanation is in order here by the writer or by some official in the ARISS group? Again it's not a question about misleading the crowds but a question of basic plain honesty... ARISS is an international funded group if one of their members wants to get all the credit fine but a minimal amount of respect should not be mandatory to have a leading position at ARISS?
I already wrote on the same subject but ARISS or AMSAT-NA remain strangely silent even if i posted the text on AMSAT-EU satellite group a loud silence remain on this subject. Could be some are sleeping on the switch could be this jolt will awaken them?
In short WHERE MY MONEY GOES? the amateur satellite community is asking for money in a constant and quite aggressive way some times is it too much asking to know what they do with theses donations? as someone in US says only AMSAT-NA is paying for the antennas!!!
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Lou McFadin W5DID ARISS US Hardware manager
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That is definately a rumour. It simply hasn't Been decided yet. The next project which is in the works is to make arrangements for power for whatever is decided upon.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 26, 2009, at 17:58, Thomas Frey th.frey@vtxmail.ch wrote:
Luc and Lou
I "heard" that the ATV experiment, for which the L/S antennas was built, died concerning a discordancy of two ATV groups. The one liked to have analogue ATV, the other group liked to have DATV. But this could be a rumour.
As you know, without informations there will rumours float around.
Louis McFadin schrieb:
Luc, The ARISS VHF/UHF antennas were funded entirely by AMSAT-NA and some volunteers. Would you you like to join the ranks of those who contributed? If so you know how to contact Martha. What are you implying here? Of course you seemed to miss the part about the V and U antennas and the "and volunteers" as opposed to the L& S antennas which were a separate project conducted by the ARISS Europe team. The L& S antennas were especially difficult since they had to withstand the launch environment of the Shuttle payload bay. I think the ARISS Europe team overcame very difficult obstacles including technical and financial. They are to be commended for their work and tenacity. The operative thing here is performance and achievement rather than talk.
On Nov 26, 2009, at 5:21 AM, Luc Leblanc wrote:
On 25 Nov 2009 at 23:50, Bob- W7LRD wrote:
Date sent: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:50:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob- W7LRDw7lrd@comcast.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Iceland!! To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Hello all AO-7 fans
I just recently worked Ari-TF3ARI. After several emails and a few false starts we connected on old AO-7.
The footprint from TF will cover most of the U.S.! Another good reason to get on old AO-7!
I'm sure he will eventually get to meet most of the "regulars".
73 Bob W7LRD Washington State AMSAT area coordinator
Hi Bob
i'm asking myself a couple of questions that i will share with you all.
We can all deduct from your experience that a higher orbit increased the earth footprint. Adding more and more low orbit sat will not help any US continental operator to extend their contact zone beyond North America condemning them to continental QSO'S.
When AMSAT-NA Says "We're Going Back to Space to add to the popular low-earth orbit FM transponder fleet" are they misleading their membership or are they using the wrong words? as the definition of "popular" is something favoured by an individual or limited group does not implies it is so popular for the vast majority of another group.
If this "Going back to space" is only mean "allowing hams to continue to use their existing handheld and portable antenna systems" regardless of their communication range. It should also be stated clearly. As it was written on the AMSAT-NA web page "This also continues the accessible entry path for new satellite operators to get started." it should also be clearly stated it will be not only an accessible entry path but the only one path for them condemning them in an "entry class" forever when they are used to world-wide contacts on HF and or DSTAR.
If the attraction pole is only focused on an entry class satellite and on the the replacement of the existing FM satellites fleet who are starting to show their age. can we say it is a poor man choice? Yes it's fun to chase grids and roving along the roads making them available but fox hunting can be as rewarded too as geo caching is! What is the next step after the "entry class"? The void?
Any short term vision can only lead to short term endeavour, it's a way to buy some time making by analogy a bunch of people playing in their small backyard where there is only one 2 places swing set. It is a disaster recipe in a small backyard full of children developing more frustration than the playing benefits. Can we extend this analogy to this "Going back to space" IMHO a bad choice of words.
Again it is only my own questioning triggered by an already existing world-wide class satellite project called P3E. There is no mention of it in this AMSAT-NA going back to space new deal as if they are in a closed shell or as they are shrinking on themselves. It is a sign of the time it is so nice in our lazy boy the easy way some will probably says the only one way depending of their state on mind and will.
BAD WORDS CHOICES...
Speaking of bad words choices what about the new Ham Antenna Installed on the ISS Columbus Module quote "Lou congratulated the team, "This is an example of what can be achieved by volunteer hams working closely with a space agency. This antenna project was funded entirely by AMSAT-NA"
That's fine but i remember sending some $$ in 2007 as donations where urgently Needed to Get ISS Columbus Module Amateur Radio- Ready. At the time they called for money quote "The total project cost is 80,000 Euros (approximately $106,500). Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Vice Chairman Gaston Bertels, ON4WF, says a payment of 9000 Euros (approximately $12,000) is due this month. ARISS- Europe remains 4000 Euros (approximately $5330) shy of that goal, however, and time is short to have it in place.
You can read the whole article on: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2007/03/21/100/?nc=1
A bank account was also open:
"Bank Account Established
AMSAT-Belgium has set up a bank account to receive donations toward equipping the module with the necessary ham radio antennas. "
Is the money goes into the bit bucket? How someone representing ARISS can say "This antenna project was funded entirely by AMSAT- NA" An explanation is in order here by the writer or by some official in the ARISS group? Again it's not a question about misleading the crowds but a question of basic plain honesty... ARISS is an international funded group if one of their members wants to get all the credit fine but a minimal amount of respect should not be mandatory to have a leading position at ARISS?
I already wrote on the same subject but ARISS or AMSAT-NA remain strangely silent even if i posted the text on AMSAT-EU satellite group a loud silence remain on this subject. Could be some are sleeping on the switch could be this jolt will awaken them?
In short WHERE MY MONEY GOES? the amateur satellite community is asking for money in a constant and quite aggressive way some times is it too much asking to know what they do with theses donations? as someone in US says only AMSAT-NA is paying for the antennas!!!
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Mit freundlichen Grüssen, Best Regards, 73 Thomas Frey, HB9SKA ______________________________________________________________________
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Lou McFadin schrieb:
That is definately a rumour. It simply hasn't Been decided yet. The next project which is in the works is to make arrangements for power for whatever is decided upon.
Sent from my iPhone
This power project is needed for the Ericsson HTs, I think and not for a ARISS-EU project. If this is definitely a rumour, I hope with Luc, that we will be informed about the status of the EU-project from anyone in the ARISS-EU-group.
But I'm hopeless, probably we would never hear anything in the S-Band from the Columbus-module.
On Nov 26, 2009, at 17:58, Thomas Frey th.frey@vtxmail.ch wrote:
Luc and Lou
I "heard" that the ATV experiment, for which the L/S antennas was built, died concerning a discordancy of two ATV groups. The one liked to have analogue ATV, the other group liked to have DATV. But this could be a rumour.
As you know, without informations there will rumours float around.
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Mit freundlichen Grüssen, Regards, 73 Thomas Frey, HB9SKA ______________________________________________________________________
Thomas Frey, Holzgasse 2, CH-5242 Birr, Tel. + Fax: 056 444 93 41 http://home.datacomm.ch/th.frey/
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Thomas Frey